McCain/Obama

[Scott Campbell]

Am i disputing your graph?

We await your research on voting by education/smarts, real critique of the numbers i posted by ANY source, and any critique of the NYT story that disputes the acccuracy of the work.

Tyrone, no one knows what the fuck you're disputing anymore because you dispute everything on the forum without ever saying anything.

He's obviously got some personal issues.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Am i disputing your graph?

We await your research on voting by education/smarts, real critique of the numbers i posted by ANY source, and any critique of the NYT story that disputes the acccuracy of the work.

Tyrone, no one knows what the fuck you're disputing anymore because you dispute everything on the forum without ever saying anything.

I gave you your fucking critique on your numbers. Read it again if you've forgotten. You made excuses about google failing you instead of addressing the fact that your data doesn't mean shit to the argument at hand.

Forgive me if I don't consider the NYT a credible source of unbiased news. I hardly think I'm alone. And neither is Palin in doing what every politician does when they take office. They fill jobs with those who helped them get there and those who share their views. Of course it's only news to the Times when a republican in need of smearing is the subject.

I certainly didn't read anything that suggested Alaska fell into a state of unrecoverable turmoil as a result of her appointments. Or that there were even any complaints about the jobs those people she appointed were doing. Other than of course *GASP* she knew them growing up!!! In fact, the 80% approval rating would seem to indicate that those who were affected most by these decisions are happy with them, even if the New York Times isn't.

The rest of the article is the same recycled non-stories that every anti-Palin publication has been trying to push since she took the stage at the convention and scared the shit out of Obama's flock.

This is more bs. I simply posted figures that showed dems were not less educated.

I didn't give google as an exuse..that is you. I gave you data..you suggesed that i posted only what was supportive...to which, if YOU can recall I stated was the only data i found. It wasn't pro or con...it was only what was found.

Nor did i post it with the express intent of saying who was better educated and therefore smarter. I never said anything to that at all. Infact, i pointed out that Partial's statement was elilist.

You choose to invalidate it on YOUR criteria. I simply asked you to find a source that agreed with your viewpoint..that the polling data wasnt' valid.

Bias: Have you read anything from me saying the NYT isn't biased. Everyone is biased..including yourself and the conservative sources that conservs use.

Your construct that they are smearing..well, i read it and dont' see it. I see a listing of the facts. Just as you don't see Fox smearing when i and others do.

However, simply attacking the story because it is from the NYT is laughable. You would ride me all day long if i simply did that to your sources.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Am i disputing your graph?

We await your research on voting by education/smarts, real critique of the numbers i posted by ANY source, and any critique of the NYT story that disputes the acccuracy of the work.

Tyrone, no one knows what the fuck you're disputing anymore because you dispute everything on the forum without ever saying anything.

He's obviously got some personal issues.

Pot calling kettle black.

[bobblehead]

First of all, whatever you may have against McCain pales to total insignificance (BTW, what DO you have against McCain?) compared to the horrendous prospect of an Obama presidency in terms of issue #1, preventing terrorism in America and issue #2, ruining the economy by raising taxes. McCain would SEEM to be YOUR kind of conservative, Bobblehead--one who is very concerned about the spending half of "tax and spend".

As for the Republican Party, Sarah Palin goes a long way toward mitigating that concern. McCain was far from my first choice too. Even though he has talked a very good game since wrapping up the nomination, and even before, I would be a little bit suspicious of his conservatism too. However, Palin, even if she fades from the scene like most VPs, she will clearly be the frontrunnier in 8 years--maybe 4 if McCain decides not to run again. Hell, it could be sooner if McCain kicks off. The Party and its conservative dominance will thus, be alive and well. Or isn't Palin YOUR kind of conservative.

If you want to waste your vote on Bob Barr, fine. Don't let me stop you, but I hope you're smart enough to realize the EXTREME difference between Obama and McCain/Palin.

Mccain is full of shit is what I have against him. NOW he is all for lower capital gains taxes, but when bush pushed them thru he voted against the cut calling it "a tax cut for the wealthiest americans".

He talks a good game about fiscal responsibility and wants to reign in about 18 billion in earmarks, but he voted for a new social program in medicare D. He also didn't even get involved with SS reform.

He is totally on board with cap and trade which basically will protect large existing companies while making start up costs of competitors unattainable.

He cosponsored campaign finance laws that crush free speech and protect incumbants.

He is all for giving citizenship to people who are here illegally and straining our overstrained social programs. People who broke the law as their first act on american soil.

As for sarah palin....talk to me about here when mccain actually DOES die, she would be a fine president. Yes, there is a difference between obama and mccain, but when we had guys running like tancredo, thompson, romney, even rudy....we put mr. across the aisle on the ticket. Sorry, I don't think he would be even an average president. Remember "I don't know much about economics". I'm not waiting 8 years for palin when I can get gingrich or jindall in 4.

edit: PS....remember our discussion 3 months ago about the economy being fine?? Unemployment is up to 5.8% and last night we had the biggest bankruptcy in US history. Banks are failing and credit markets are a fucking mess. GDP is pretty much stagnant....who coulda seen this coming?? Yea, GW did some good things, but some real shit happened while we were fighting terrorism. I'd like a president who might actually be able to do both.

[SkinBasket]

You choose to invalidate it on YOUR criteria.

And this is what it always comes down to for you. No one can defeat you in your head.

As far as the article goes, a reasonable person need only look at the source and the title to understand what it's intentions are. The content of the article is weak, and to be honest, reads a lot like one of your arguments: A whole lot of talk without a point - well not a point that you would be forced to defend in any meaningful way. Just a title meant to enrage those who are already looking to be enraged. More intellectually dishonest crap thrown at the wall in the hope that the smell will linger.

[hoosier]

remember our discussion 3 months ago about the economy being fine?? Unemployment is up to 5.8% and last night we had the biggest bankruptcy in US history. Banks are failing and credit markets are a fucking mess. GDP is pretty much stagnant....who coulda seen this coming?? Yea, GW did some good things, but some real shit happened while we were fighting terrorism. I'd like a president who might actually be able to do both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igAmVs0cvY8

McCain on the record as insisting that the US economy is "still strong." I don't know if yesterday is necessarily indicative of a deepening of our economic crisis (except for those who are directly affected by what happened with Lehman), nor does it seem likely that the next President will have full control over when and how the economy begins to recover. That said, McCain can't help but come across as out of touch with reality here. He sounds a lot like Tex, as a matter of fact.

[bobblehead]

remember our discussion 3 months ago about the economy being fine?? Unemployment is up to 5.8% and last night we had the biggest bankruptcy in US history. Banks are failing and credit markets are a fucking mess. GDP is pretty much stagnant....who coulda seen this coming?? Yea, GW did some good things, but some real shit happened while we were fighting terrorism. I'd like a president who might actually be able to do both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igAmVs0cvY8

McCain on the record as insisting that the US economy is "still strong." I don't know if yesterday is necessarily indicative of a deepening of our economic crisis (except for those who are directly affected by what happened with Lehman), nor does it seem likely that the next President will have full control over when and how the economy begins to recover. That said, McCain can't help but come across as out of touch with reality here. He sounds a lot like Tex, as a matter of fact.

I'm not sure on the date of that youtube video, but it barely matters. As of 4 months ago the economy was "strong" by numbers, but again, anyone who couldn't see this mess coming either had an agenda or is an economics novice.

I'm not truly on your side here though (hoosier) as I think around election time the left will convince us that unemployment is 50% if they think it will help them win (as mccain and the right deny the downturn we are in now).

The economic indicators were slipping for a year now, and with the looming credit market crisis (there is no "housing" crisis) a monumental slowdown was inevitable. Now if gov't is smart (yea, dream on) we are ready for such things and have the opportunity to spend thru slowdowns, but if you ran up a 200 billion dollar deficit (due to long standing fixed costs of social programs mostly) what you end up with is a 450 billion dollar deficit when times slow down, now the credit markets are fucked, the gov't is having trouble raising capital to spend through it without debasing the dollar and we limp into '09.

As I've always said, I blame the left more than the right, but I hold the right accountable too. they got in power and started their own agenda (of staying in power) without thought to setting us back on the right track. Once Gingrich got destroyed by the press and stepped down all form of fiscal sanity at the federal level was gone.

[HowardRoark]

Obama came out today and made fun of "the ownership society" we have here. Why doesn't he just come out of the closet and tells us what he really is.

[packinpatland]

McCain condemns CEO buyouts, yet..............

Republican ticket mates John McCain and Sarah Palin Monday blasted corporate executives who leave their company with a "golden parachute" and pledged to "stop multimillion dollar payouts" to CEOs, seeming to forget their own top economic adviser Carly Fiorina walked away with $45 million, including a $21.4 million severance package when she was dismissed by Hewlett Packard in 2005.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-economic.html

[SkinBasket]

Obama's camp is really set on attacking the republican campaign people. I may be wrong, but I didn't think these people typically took important posts in the government after their man is elected.

[Freak Out]

Obama's camp is really set on attacking the republican campaign people. I may be wrong, but I didn't think these people typically took important posts in the government after their man is elected.

Many of the people high up in Macs campaign worked for Bush/Cheney during the campaigns and admins of both for the last eight years....will that trend continue? We might find out.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You choose to invalidate it on YOUR criteria.

And this is what it always comes down to for you. No one can defeat you in your head.

As far as the article goes, a reasonable person need only look at the source and the title to understand what it's intentions are. The content of the article is weak, and to be honest, reads a lot like one of your arguments: A whole lot of talk without a point - well not a point that you would be forced to defend in any meaningful way. Just a title meant to enrage those who are already looking to be enraged. More intellectually dishonest crap thrown at the wall in the hope that the smell will linger.

Defeat me? Dude, i'm not locked into any position. I didn't start off with a position that repubs are smarter or dumber than dems..nor vice versa.

I merely posted data that clearly should that neither said was dumb. I never said, "hah..gotcha partial." The only point of the post was to illuminate how foolish his statement was.

I don't come here saying if you vote repub you are stupid. Find anything like that...go for it. I await that like i await any valid source you can present on the polling data, different polling data, or legit criticism of the NYT story. Ty waits...and waits..and waits.

However, questioning polling data because YOU think it isn't right..doesn't make it so. I dont' sit here and deny or question the polling data that shows Mccain ahead...did i? Nope. I accept that things like the rasmussen have been pretty darn accurate. I don't say they are wrong or 100 percent right...but, i dont' pontificate like you do. Making speculation about who is at home when they call, etc. If the polls showed Obama ahead..and now Mccain...i certainly can't do that...if it worked for one, it works for the other.

Article: That is your viewpoint. Like I said, everyone has a bias. I watched the press meet palin's religious leader in alaska. I thought it was fairly benign. I watched Glenn Beck lead into the story about how the press "demanded" answers.

Everyone frames things.

I find your objections kinda funny. I dont' see you holding the same standard about the press on the right towards obama. But, then again, i don't expect you or the right wing to act any differently. That is why i find your hypocrisy so stunning.

[mraynrand]

I find your objections kinda funny. I dont' see you holding the same standard about the press on the right towards obama.

What press on the right?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I find your objections kinda funny. I dont' see you holding the same standard about the press on the right towards obama.

What press on the right?

Fox news, National Review, and the multitude of online sites.

[sheepshead]

I'm getting ready for the show after McCain wins this thing. They are already setting the stage. It'll get as ugly as ugly gets. Pop some corn, grab some thin mints and a slurpy and hunker down!!!