McCain/Obama

[packinpatland]

I am asking this question void of any cynicism........
Is there a news outlet that is truely neutral? One that simply reports news and lets the viewer digest and form opinions?

[mraynrand]

I am asking this question void of any cynicism........
Is there a news outlet that is truely neutral? One that simply reports news and lets the viewer digest and form opinions?

By definition, no. even the most apparently neutral outlets bias things by what they choose to cover, what they choose for page 1, what they choose for titles, etc. That's why you have to read many sources. NY Times, Washington Times and Post, Wall Street Journal are four good starting sources. Read the Times A section all the way through and you will get most of the news, even if it is arranged in a biased manner.

[texaspackerbacker]

The debates will put this thing away for good.

Really? This is the weirdest election. The Dems I talk to all say there's no way their guy can lose. The Repubs I talk to all say there's no way their guy can lose.

One reason for that is the Bradley Effect--Governor Sibelius of Kansas, an Obamaphile, brought that up just this morning. On top of that, I think you have a REVERSE Bradley Effect regarding gender and Sarah Palin.

It's highly probable that the polls are skewed toward Obama for those reasons.

As for the Debates, just as in the 2000 and 2004 elections, the debates--really ANYTHING--that gives the people a comparison of the candidates views, values, and positions that is NOT filtered by the media FAVORS the Republicans--simply because they/we are right on all the issues and so much more in tune with the views, values, and positions of the huge majority of good normal mostly apolitical Americans. That also explains why Obama wimped out of the series of weekly head-to-head townhall meetings that McCain proposed.

[Cheesehead Craig]

It's amazing how politics can make everyone seem mean, disrespectful and condescending. It just seems to be the nature of the beast.

You leave politics out of the conversation and just about everyone here would be happy to have a beer and pizza at the local bar with each other and have fun.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's amazing how politics can make everyone seem mean, disrespectful and condescending. It just seems to be the nature of the beast.

You leave politics out of the conversation and just about everyone here would be happy to have a beer and pizza at the local bar with each other and have fun.

Ah, but in addition to being so VITALLY IMPORTANT in EVERY way, including your ability to relax and enjoy your beer and pizza, talking POLITICS is FUN!!!

Talking/arguing about football and sports in general is FUN too, but POLITICS is even more FUN. Of course, this is America, so you have the freedom to think otherwise. Just don't mess with MY freedom to have MY fun, or you really WILL see "mean, disrespectful, and condescending" (I took the liberty of adding the comma you left out).

[Cheesehead Craig]

It's amazing how politics can make everyone seem mean, disrespectful and condescending. It just seems to be the nature of the beast.

You leave politics out of the conversation and just about everyone here would be happy to have a beer and pizza at the local bar with each other and have fun.

Ah, but in addition to being so VITALLY IMPORTANT in EVERY way, including your ability to relax and enjoy your beer and pizza, talking POLITICS is FUN!!!

Talking/arguing about football and sports in general is FUN too, but POLITICS is even more FUN. Of course, this is America, so you have the freedom to think otherwise. Just don't mess with MY freedom to have MY fun, or you really WILL see "mean, disrespectful, and condescending" (I took the liberty of adding the comma you left out).

I pretty much stay out of political discussions. Too often tempers flare and things are taken out of context. I'm too much of a guy who just wants everyone to be happy. That wonderful middle child syndrome.

[texaspackerbacker]

Fine. Be blissfully ...... happy.

I tend to be sensitive about us because over at JSOnline where I posted for years, there were occasional outbursts by ignorant assholes who didn't like political posting (no, I'm not calling you an ignorant asshole).

Eventually, those ignorant assholes won out and ruined the happiness for a lot of the rest of us. That's why posts like yours present a massive RED FLAG.

[mraynrand]

I tend to be sensitive about us because over at JSOnline where I posted for years, there were occasional outbursts by ignorant assholes who didn't like political posting

Talk about 'gonadally challenged' - you pretty much defined the entire JS online staff and management. They were so pathetic that they couldn't stop scripts, couldn't manage trolls, and eventually QUIT! - First they quit on the political forums (how wimpy does a paper have to be to do that?) - and then they bailed on forums for sports as well. I too found the wimps nauseating who kept writing in the political forums. remember those guys - they would say - Hey, stop the political discussion, this is a sports forum. They knew which threads were political, yet they kept clicking on them to complain. My suspicion was that the JS canceled the forums because they didn't like the conservative viewpoints.

[texaspackerbacker]

Good Point.

We did kinda dominate, and the Milwaukee Journal has been liberal Democrat probably for a hundred years.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Fine. Be blissfully ...... happy.

I tend to be sensitive about us because over at JSOnline where I posted for years, there were occasional outbursts by ignorant assholes who didn't like political posting (no, I'm not calling you an ignorant asshole).

Eventually, those ignorant assholes won out and ruined the happiness for a lot of the rest of us. That's why posts like yours present a massive RED FLAG.

No worries. You can go ahead and chat about politics until your fingers bleed from typing so much.

I wasn't singling you out in the whole discussion and apologize if you felt as such. There's 8 pages of evidence that everyone gets like this. It's not party exclusive by any stretch.

I'll now go back to my anonymous reading of this thread.

[bobblehead]

The debates will put this thing away for good.

Really? This is the weirdest election. The Dems I talk to all say there's no way their guy can lose. The Repubs I talk to all say there's no way their guy can lose.

yet both sides are saying it cuz "the other guy just can't win".

[bobblehead]

The debates will put this thing away for good.

Really? This is the weirdest election. The Dems I talk to all say there's no way their guy can lose. The Repubs I talk to all say there's no way their guy can lose.

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/?s...mo_code=6AB2-1

We could do this all day.................
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/...map/index.html

We could....but we could also post the USA today's front page map after bush/kerry as broken down by COUNTY....talk about a see of red, yet it was a close election.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

yeah we could except. I wasnt copying a poll or worse the culmination of polls by a leftist news channel. Dick Morris is a guy who's opinion I respect and this map is about what I think the final election will look like at best for Barry O. By the way from 1991 until 2000 Bill Clinton didnt relieve himself unless Morris told him to.

Dick morris is a guy that nobody respects.

More to the point, it might be nice if you could occasionally be accurate. Morris was let go/resigned after the prostitute incident in 96.

[bobblehead]

My daughter went to a small private university, and then on to Yale. We/she are not elitest. ..

I think if you dub yourself "sophisticated rat" some might think that smacks of elitism.....

[Tyrone Bigguns]

My daughter went to a small private university, and then on to Yale. We/she are not elitest. ..

I think if you dub yourself "sophisticated rat" some might think that smacks of elitism.....

Methinks you don't do well with the english language.