Stick a fork in this moron.

[packinpatland]

My point was this: One of the reasons for justifying going into Iraq was the heinous things that Hussein did to his own countrymen, and the fact that he had the supposed WMD's. I'm saying that we didn't get involved in other equal or more horrible mass murders...........but had there been a barrel of oil or two in the mix...........

Absolutely correct...but what is your point, we need oil, we don't need the sands of africa. So what if we are trying to stabalize an area that we send 700 billion dollars to each year (for oil purchase).

"we don't need the sands of Africa"

You really meant to say 'we don't give a damn about the people of Africa'.....right?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You're right on this one....... we spend too much on a war we shouldn't be in.......

Why do you think we should not be in the war?

With the situation in Afghanistan getting worse, with Bin Laden still a threat, with no WMD's found.......we could have gotten rid of Iraq's big guy alot more efficiently without the 'shock and awe' war that was raised.

There is no doubt in my mind that Hussein needed to be removed. The proven atocities against his people left no doubt.

But where were we when Darfur, or Rwanda's people were getting slaughtered?

Not sitting on oil.

Clinton had other things on his.....err......mind.

It might be nice if you could be factual.

I was. Clinton was busy with other things. Do you deny it?

Yes. I deny it. Not recognizing it is quite a stretch to being busy with other things.

Then he should have recognized it.

Now i remember, Clinton is the government.

I guess United States officials arguing over the use of the word genocide for fear that it would compel the country to act, as it obviously would have was something that we all just imagined.

Policymakers made the mistake of characterizing the conflict as between two sides, the Hutus and the Tutsis, and focused on forging peace accords, which were “more comprehensible” to diplomats. The massacre began less than a year after the October 1993 killing and mutilation of American soldiers in Somalia, which made Washington wary of rushing into another human rights crisis..but, all this was Clinton.

You might wanna take some time and find out what really happened instead of just making it up.

I guess the Senate and congress had nothing to do with it. Might want to let the Armenians know about this...as they keep trying thru those channels.

Meanwhile, Prez Bush still won't recognize the Armenian Genocide.

Must be nice to live on your planet.

[retailguy]

Joe...you've been a very bad boy....now go stand in the corner.

Very cute. :P

I'm just tired of "distorted politics". Can we vote tomorrow just to get this stupid season over with?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

My point was this: One of the reasons for justifying going into Iraq was the heinous things that Hussein did to his own countrymen, and the fact that he had the supposed WMD's. I'm saying that we didn't get involved in other equal or more horrible mass murders...........but had there been a barrel of oil or two in the mix...........

Absolutely correct...but what is your point, we need oil, we don't need the sands of africa. So what if we are trying to stabalize an area that we send 700 billion dollars to each year (for oil purchase).

It still could have waited a year or two until we had Afghanistan sorted out before we started a second war...

Why, for them it is like cooking..you just double the recipe..no problem.

But, realistically, it is like baking..and you just can't double the recipe.

[HowardRoark]

Why, for them it is like cooking..you just double the recipe..no problem.

But, realistically, it is like baking..and you just can't double the recipe.

What about day old croissants?

Where are the articulate Liberals? Please.

[retailguy]

So sorry to cause you such sadness.

Cute :P

My point was that the fact that a country is violating UN resolutions is not a justification for the U.S. to invade said country. They are UN resolutions. It would be up to the UN, not the U.S., to decide whether to use force to enforce a resolution.

Funny. You seem to be leaving out a few details. If you recall back in 1990 the UN authorized the use of force to remove Iraq from Kuwait. Then later, when a cease fire was delcared, it was a condition of said cease fire that Iraq allow "unfettered access" to the inspectors. That didn't happen to the tune of over 20 resolutions.

In addition to "weapons of mass destruction" bandwagon that has been literally beat to death, you seem to have forgotten a few other things.

- The assasination attempt against Bush 41.
- The firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no fly zones.
- The previous willingness of Iraq to use chemical/biological weapons.
- The brutalization of it's own citizens. (Comical that you left this out of your whole Geneva convention argument.)
- The practice of supporting and providing safe haven for terrorists and terrorism
- Finally, The presence of Al Queda in Iraq. In the end, we've arrested and killed a few of those guys there, haven't we?...

Lots of reasons. end point - Iraq finally used up all of it's "second chances". The UN was well in process of showing just what a meaningless neutered organization it was and still is. The US finally said "ENOUGH". Were we right? I think so. You don't. It's done. Move on....

By the way, the Israeli settlements on the West Bank are violations of international law without any UN resolutions. The Geneva Conventions prohibit the transferring of civilian populations to areas under military occupation.

The main reasons these areas are under "military occupation" is because Hamas and it's supporters refuse to follow the very laws in place. Hamas has "designed" this to get Israel to violate these things.

Reality - The West Bank is part of Israel. Israel has the authority and moral responsibility to do what it wants with it's land. Israel has bent over backwards to placate, negotiate and be reasonable with hamas, who continue to refuse to negotiate, and to operate in good faith. Once a terrorist organization, ALWAYS a terrorist organization. Last time I checked they don't have "rights" under the Geneva convention.

What I find sad, more than anything, is that you "equate" the same, or more rights to Hamas than you do to Israel. don't the Israelies deserve a bit better than that?

They ought to "bomb them back to the stone age". I give them credit for restraint.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Why, for them it is like cooking..you just double the recipe..no problem.

But, realistically, it is like baking..and you just can't double the recipe.

What about day old croissants?

Where are the articulate Liberals? Please.

The croissant production was given to Halliburton on a no bid contract. They reasonably charge the service 5 bucks for each one, claiming they are as good as the fresh ones.

[texaspackerbacker]

UN Resolutions

Would you have us go to war with Israel because of their violation of UN resolutions? Over the years, Israel has been in violation of more UN resolutions than Iraq. Every settlement they have built on the West Bank is a violation of a UN resolution.

Joe, have you heard of the concept of good versus evil?

Do you accept that concept as applied to geopolitics?

You may be a Dem/lib or whatever, but I have never had you pegged as one of these extreme leftist America-hating moral equivalence purveyors who DENY the moral high ground on which America and a few loyal allies, INCLUDING Israel sit--while being sniped at by indisputably vile forces trying to inflict genocide, tyranny, poverty, ignorance, and depravity on the world. Tell me you aren't one of those extreme leftists.

So, Joe, are you disputing the FACT that the world scene is a good versus evil scenario with America--and Israel--representing good, and the barbaric radical Muslims dedicated to terrorizing and destroying us and annihilating Israel representing evil?

I'm pretty sure you don't disagree, Joe, but I'd just like to hear you say it--as kind of an "in your face" to Tyrone and some of the other sick America-haters in here whose hatred, lunacy, and extremism probably WOULD cause them to dispute the FACT of that situation.

[mraynrand]

Meanwhile, Prez Bush still won't recognize the Armenian Genocide.

He should recognize it immediately, before more people are killed!

[retailguy]

Meanwhile, Prez Bush still won't recognize the Armenian Genocide.

He should recognize it immediately, before more people are killed!

Maybe that's what happened to my neighbor.... some military people were asking me all kinds of questions about him. He had an "obama" sign in front of his house. He's gone and so is his sign.... Bush must have completed the Hitler biography he was reading. got some new ideas.

One down, many to go for the "good guys"!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Meanwhile, Prez Bush still won't recognize the Armenian Genocide.

He should recognize it immediately, before more people are killed!

Oh, he wouldn't do that..it would require courage.

[mraynrand]

Meanwhile, Prez Bush still won't recognize the Armenian Genocide.

He should recognize it immediately, before more people are killed!

Oh, he wouldn't do that..it would require courage.

And Bush certainly doesn't have enough courage to label a 90 year old atrocity a genocide. Maybe he has enough courage to say slavery was wrong. Or overthrow Hussein and support the surge when 70% of Americans don't support him and 30% think he's more evil than Hitler. It's revealing that libs consider taking stands on century old academic historical issues courageous.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Meanwhile, Prez Bush still won't recognize the Armenian Genocide.

He should recognize it immediately, before more people are killed!

Oh, he wouldn't do that..it would require courage.

And Bush certainly doesn't have enough courage to label a 90 year old atrocity a genocide. Maybe he has enough courage to say slavery was wrong. Or overthrow Hussein and support the surge when 70% of Americans don't support him and 30% think he's more evil than Hitler. It's revealing that libs consider taking stands on century old academic historical issues courageous.

Or maybe you aren't really as informed as you like to think..perhaps you should ask why he won't do it.

[mraynrand]

Meanwhile, Prez Bush still won't recognize the Armenian Genocide.

He should recognize it immediately, before more people are killed!

Oh, he wouldn't do that..it would require courage.

And Bush certainly doesn't have enough courage to label a 90 year old atrocity a genocide. Maybe he has enough courage to say slavery was wrong. Or overthrow Hussein and support the surge when 70% of Americans don't support him and 30% think he's more evil than Hitler. It's revealing that libs consider taking stands on century old academic historical issues courageous.

Or maybe you aren't really as informed as you like to think..perhaps you should ask why he won't do it.

I know why. And I think his other acts are far more courageous. But you can stand up at your liberal debating society and show your courage if you like:

"I hate Bush"

"I hate him more"

"He's Hitler!"

"Wow, that's courageous!"

"The killing of the Armenians 90 years ago was genocide"

"OMG, be careful...someone might hear you!"

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Meanwhile, Prez Bush still won't recognize the Armenian Genocide.

He should recognize it immediately, before more people are killed!

Oh, he wouldn't do that..it would require courage.

And Bush certainly doesn't have enough courage to label a 90 year old atrocity a genocide. Maybe he has enough courage to say slavery was wrong. Or overthrow Hussein and support the surge when 70% of Americans don't support him and 30% think he's more evil than Hitler. It's revealing that libs consider taking stands on century old academic historical issues courageous.

Or maybe you aren't really as informed as you like to think..perhaps you should ask why he won't do it.

I know why. And I think his other acts are far more courageous. But you can stand up at your liberal debating society and show your courage if you like:

"I hate Bush"

"I hate him more"

"He's Hitler!"

"Wow, that's courageous!"

"The killing of the Armenians 90 years ago was genocide"

"OMG, be careful...someone might hear you!"

Who hates Bush. He isn't even relevant.