Stick a fork in this moron.

[HowardRoark]

Abortion reduces crime.

I suppose you could use the same logic with nuclear bombs. I would bet there wasn't much crime (by humans at least) here for awhile:

[arcilite]

lol

I also like it because I have too many one night stands and I always want that option available to me.

[HowardRoark]

I support thermonuclear warfare because it reduces crime.

[HowardRoark]

lol

I also like it because I have too many one night stands and I always want that option available to me.

Thank you. You are an honest man.

[Deputy Nutz]

I can't say I like abortion I mean, it isn't a good thing, but it seems we certainly can't preach safe, and protected sex, god forbid!

[arcilite]

I can't say I like abortion I mean, it isn't a good thing, but it seems we certainly can't preach safe, and protected sex, god forbid!

I agree.

There is too much 'abstinence' only education goin on in schools these days.

[MJZiggy]

Well, you could, but then you wouldn't be a conservative. Didn't you hear? It's abstinence only and if you have sex and get pregnant then you should get married whether there's any reason for you to be married or not.

[texaspackerbacker]

Hopefully, arcilite, leftist that he is, is NOT as SHALLOW as a lot of pathetic individuals in here, whehter they show up once in a while as lefties or righties.

The INCIPID merit less respect even than those sincerely on the wrong side of the spectrum.

Don't be too quick to call me a leftist.

I prefer the term independent.

I own lots of guns and love going hunting and i like to be fiscally conservative.

but i also support abortion.

I also supported Bush in 2000 and 2004. I thought Kerry was a dweeb.

I guess it's time to trot out MY position on abortion again. Apologies to anybody who read this before.

What is it, 40 or 50 million total by now since Roe v. Wade? Enough of those would have been voting age by 2000 and 2004 to make up the difference in the election and swing it to Gore and/or Kerry--Why would people who would otherwise have been aborted fetuses vote Dem/lib? Why does anybody vote Dem/lib? The solid majority of abortions occur among the same demographic of people who tend to vote liberal--stupid immoral trash--no offense to any chronic Dem/lib voters in the forum. You're probably exceptions to the rule :P

So while I tend to oppose abortion, I also tend to look at the big picture. Flushing all of America down the toilet of liberalism would have been worse than 40 some million dead babies--mostly from ya'all's kind of families.

[mraynrand]

Well, you could, but then you wouldn't be a conservative. Didn't you hear? It's abstinence only and if you have sex and get pregnant then you should get married whether there's any reason for you to be married or not.

And of course the liberal alternative is to either blenderize the 'tissue' before it can generate an EEG pattern or any other arbitrary designation for 'human life' you choose to assuage your guilt - or what the fuck, why not just toss the screaming piece of human filth out the window(That's what you meant by the 'Broken Window' theory as applied to baby killin' right?), even after it's 'born' (Most scientists agree that there really is no actual 'time of birth' just as there is really no 'time of conception'). After all, what is 'time' anyway? It's pretty elusive, so why worry.

Hey Zig, why are you more valuable than a 6 month old baby about to be shredded and tossed in the dumpster?

[HowardRoark]

Hey Zig, why are you more valuable than a 6 month old baby about to be shredded and tossed in the dumpster?

Because she is a proven non-criminal. The 6 month old baby could become a criminal.

[MJZiggy]

Well, you could, but then you wouldn't be a conservative. Didn't you hear? It's abstinence only and if you have sex and get pregnant then you should get married whether there's any reason for you to be married or not.

And of course the liberal alternative is to either blenderize the 'tissue' before it can generate an EEG pattern or any other arbitrary designation for 'human life' you choose to assuage your guilt - or what the fuck, why not just toss the screaming piece of human filth out the window(That's what you meant by the 'Broken Window' theory as applied to baby killin' right?), even after it's 'born' (Most scientists agree that there really is no actual 'time of birth' just as there is really no 'time of conception'). After all, what is 'time' anyway? It's pretty elusive, so why worry.

Hey Zig, why are you more valuable than a 6 month old baby about to be shredded and tossed in the dumpster?

Obviously you've never paid attention the many times abortion has come up here. I am not a fan of late term abortion and don't think it should be legal. I think that once the baby is viable, it should be delivered and adopted, not aborted.

In my post, I was speaking to sex education, not abortion. Even if you're pro-choice, I think that girls should be educated on the alternatives to abortion and the risks. I have known people who see abortion as a method of birth control and that makes me sad, not only because of the children that were lost, but because each successive abortion comes with it's own medical risks and abortion does do damage to the uterus, so that when the girl eventually does want to have a baby, she is at higher risk for uterine rupture. Abortion is legal, but it should be a dead-last choice. There are just too many people out there desperate for babies.

Arclite mentioned that abortion reduces crime which is a reference to a theory in a book called Freakonomics Twenty years after abortion became legal, crime across the country dramatically dropped after it was projected to become much worse not better. The authors of the book suggest that an alternate reason for the drop is that all the babies that were unwanted and would have been mistreated and grown up to be criminals were aborted rather than born.

The Broken Window theory (which has nothing to do with abortion you sick fuck) is the original method of crime reduction that was started in the NYC subway system and spread nationwide. The theory states that if you keep the physical space of an area in good condition (fix the broken windows--or in the case of the subways, clean the grafitti) and crack down on petty gateway crimes (in the case of the subway system it was fare beating and turnstile jumping) that a sense of order will be achieved (and it was) that is a natural deterrent to crime.

A little itchy on the trigger finger there aren't you Ayn...

[mraynrand]

Obviously you've never paid attention the many times abortion has come up here.

Obviously.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=14444&highlight=drilling+alska

[mraynrand]

I was speaking to sex education, not abortion. Even if you're pro-choice, I think that girls should be educated on the alternatives to abortion and the risks. .

The alternative(s)? The risks are obvious - you will have annoying, precious brat(s), or delinquent malcontent(s) for the rest of your life.

[MJZiggy]

I didn't even post in that thread. Why don't you try one of the many I've posted to in which I state that I am no fan of abortion but think it should be absolutely outlawed after 20 weeks (which usually starts a huge discussion about 21 weeks and 19 weeks that I don't care to repeat).

[mraynrand]

The Broken Window theory (which has nothing to do with abortion you sick fuck) is the original method of crime reduction that was started in the NYC subway system and spread nationwide. The theory states that if you keep the physical space of an area in good condition (fix the broken windows--or in the case of the subways, clean the grafitti) and crack down on petty gateway crimes (in the case of the subway system it was fare beating and turnstile jumping) that a sense of order will be achieved (and it was) that is a natural deterrent to crime.

What did that have to do with abortion? You mentioned it in response to abortion - you sick fuck

The exchange:

"arcilite": "Well, there are statistics to back up this theory: Abortion reduces crime. Which is another reason i like it"

Zig: "I'm not completely sold on the Freakonomics take on that one, though I found it completely fascinating. I lean a little bit toward the Broken Window philosophy there."