7 years since 9-11

[SkinBasket]

I learned a new word. MASTABATORY. cool. I already knew several along that line:

Ty will help you learn to spell it: masturbatory.

It is actually very useful to know how to spell this word when addressing any post Harlan takes part in.

I think if you did a search, you would actually find a pretty good correlation between the use of the word and it's proximity to Harlan's posts.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I learned a new word. MASTABATORY. cool. I already knew several along that line:

Ty will help you learn to spell it: masturbatory.

It is actually very useful to know how to spell this word when addressing any post Harlan takes part in.

I think if you did a search, you would actually find a pretty good correlation between the use of the word and it's proximity to Harlan's posts.

Why would i want to do that?

[Tarlam!]

Although I don't get the Chernobyl comparison one bit, I tend to agree with what the blue dog is saying.

I was in Spain that day. It was the McDonald's Europe Charity golf Week.

I vividly remember landing, then the first SMS's were being read and news sickered through about the first tower being hit. The wife of the then McDonald's President for Central and Eastern Europe was in Business class, talking to her hubby by cell. He had arrived a day earlier. I was in the first row of economy, with my guest for the tournament.

I am well acquainted with the lady and she told me her hubby was telling her the Pentagon was under attack. She also gave a blow by blow of the second tower being hit, compliments of her hubby.

My guest of that week is a practicing Muslim, from Persia. No, not Iran. He looks like a Muslim, too. i credit the Spanish authorities highly that he was treated like all other travellers- He was worried sick he'd be strip searched! He wasn't.

Anyway, the Golf tournament was cancelled. I remember voicing my opinion at the time that cancelling the tournament was EXACTLY the type of behaviour the terrorists were soliciting and we should proceed with living our Western lifestyle in spite of the attack. My argument fell on deaf ears and despite being grounded for 4 days the trophies were not awarded. IIRC, that was the last McD Europe Golf tournament, although, many countries hold their own golf day.

Long story, but I felt I needed to share it in support of HH.

I remember 9/11 for the heroes in NY that died and those that saved otherwise lost lives. Also those passengers that stormed the cockpit and brought down that plane are heroes to me.

I believe they should be honored annually. But I don't want 9/11 to be the wrong kind of symbol. In that, I get what HH is saying.

[swede]

I agree with Tarlam.

In my interpretation, HH was saying that we have some choice in how we shape the memorializing of 9/11.

Catholics have the same sort of problem. Bitter, bitter discussions have been held over whether Christ crucified or the risen Christ be the principal visual image when a parish builds or remodels a new worship space.

Some say that the image of Christ crucified carries the essential message of sacrifice needed as people approach communion; we should admit sin and die to our own selfishness as we accept the body of Christ.

Others say Christ crucified celebrates only the death and not the powerful message of resurrection.

I felt that HH, devout contrarian that he is, was warning us against making 9/11 into an occasion that inadvertently celebrates a devastating kick in the ass.

I think that as time passes it will become another Pearl Harbor Day. And that would be about right. It may be parsing words to distinguish between memorializing and celebrating but, whatever Blue Dawg meant, that is how I read his initial post in this thread.

And I never wanted to be President anyway.

Edit: His SECOND post. His initial post was Debbie Downer.

[texaspackerbacker]

The bottom line is that seven years after 9/11, we have NOT had a repeat of 9/11. Do people actually think that is sheer LUCK?

The PRESIDENT and PARTY who are primarily RESPONSIBLE for that success are roundly criticized and have low approval ratings. The assholes who have dragged their feet and opposed virtually every measure that has WORKED to prevent terrorism in America get glorified.

THAT more than anything else is a TRIBUTE to the sinister effectiveness of the GOD DAMNED AMERICA-HATING LEFTIST MAINSTREAM MEDIA!

Could there possibly be an issue more important than this? Hell No!--But then, it seems the leftist mainstream media has propagandized people to think differently on that question too.

[Scott Campbell]

911 was caused by incompetents.

I agree with this. We had an invitingly soft underbelly exposed to an enemy we should have known would take advantage of it. It could have been anticipated. It should have been anticipated. And part of the good that came from all the suffering was that there were lessons learned.

Do you give the opposing team credit for attacking Jarret Bush in our secondary. No. Our team is accountable for fielding a better CB. So I don't blame the terrorists for 911. They were just taking what the defense gave them. I blame Kurt Schottenheimer.

Good God - I agree with Harlan on something. I need a shower.

[mraynrand]

911 was caused by incompetents.

I agree with this. We had an invitingly soft underbelly exposed to an enemy we should have known would take advantage of it. It could have been anticipated. It should have been anticipated. And part of the good that came from all the suffering was that there were lessons learned.

Do you give the opposing team credit for attacking Jarret Bush in our secondary. No. Our team is accountable for fielding a better CB. So I don't blame the terrorists for 911. They were just taking what the defense gave them. I blame Kurt Schottenheimer.

Good God - I agree with Harlan on something. I need a shower.

What you need is to get a grip on reality. I can't believe you're agreeing with this. CAUSATION? Using your analogy, we lost simply because Bush was on the field. I agree that our security sucked, but that didn't CAUSE 911. You don't blame the terrorists. I have to ask -what the hell is wrong with you guys who think this? Do you blame people who get killed by drunk drivers for not avoiding the drunks? Do you blame people who get robbed for not having better home security.

Or how about this: Say your friend gets shot dead and a police officer had the opportunity to shoot him first, but missed. We go back and check police training records and find that they allow cops in who have a 60% proficiency in their shooting. People speculate that, had the officer been 85% proficient, he would have killed the shooter. Is it then the police departments FAULT that your friend was killed because their standards weren't high enough?
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WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS???

[swede]

Is it then the police departments FAULT that your friend was killed because their standards weren't high enough?

YES.

[BallHawk]

The bottom line is that seven years after 9/11, we have NOT had a repeat of 9/11.

And we didn't have a terrorist attack of that magnitude before the Bush presidency. Does that mean that every preceding president defended America 100% OK? No. One could say that Clinton's lack of attention to stop the rise of terrorism was a big factor in 9/11.

You can't blame 9/11 on one administration and you can't praise one administration for there not being another 9/11.

[Scott Campbell]

Ok GD, it's not like I'm giving the terrorists a free pass on this. I do blame them for killing all those people. But I hold the United States ACCOUNTABLE for defending itself against exactly what happened. We were asleep at the switch. Our lack of foresight was a contributing factor.

I don't count on the terrorists to keep our country safe. I count on the government to do that.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Ayn Rand, it is implicitly understood by all that the terrorist carry the moral resonsibility of their actions. We're discussing our preparation and response, the part within our control. Blaming people in this country for failures is not the same as excusing the terrorists, which I have to believe you get, not sure why you won't let this academic point go.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You can't blame 9/11 on one administration and you can't praise one administration for there not being another 9/11.

Of course you are right about 9/11 being a collective failure, but I don't at all see why you won't give the Cheney mobile some credit for preventing any major terrorist attacks. I don't see your logic. There were several major attacks during the Clinton years, things were heating up.

[mraynrand]

it's not like I'm giving the terrorists a free pass on this. I do blame them for killing all those people. But I hold the United States ACCOUNTABLE for defending itself against exactly what happened. We were asleep at the switch. Our lack of foresight was a contributing factor..

You said: "I don't blame the terrorists." That just pisses me right the fuck off. START with: I blame the goddamn fucking terrorists, THEN you can get after the admin. the airlines, etc. etc. I hold them accountable too. But when you and Harlan, etc. sit there pointing fingers at our shitty security as your first instinct, and basically equate the terrorists to the equivalent of an accident or a storm, it IS like giving them a pass. It's like saying, "Gosh, they'll always be there. We have to get better security." As though they have to exist, and we have to tolerate them.

[Harlan Huckleby]

40% of young UK Muslims want sharia law
Over a third say conversion from Islam should be 'punished by death'

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=54018

Ayn did make valid point about how much of a problem the Islamists are in Europe. It made me realize how warm and fuzzy our Mexicans are, they're positively adorable in comparison. Time for people to stop bitchin, wake up and smell the MExicans.

[Tarlam!]

And then HH goes and makes a stupid, brain dead post like the last one that makes one want to regurgitate one's lunch.