7 years since 9-11

[mraynrand]

Ayn Rand, it is implicitly understood by all that the terrorist carry the moral resonsibility of their actions. We're discussing our preparation and response, the part within our control. Blaming people in this country for failures is not the same as excusing the terrorists, which I have to believe you get, not sure why you won't let this academic point go.

Because you started with equating them to Chernobyl for shit's sake. Then Campbell says "I don't blame the terrorists."

Long term, I think that is a loser and losing mindset - it basically is the mindset that the terrorists will always exist and we have to be prepared, rather than saying, we have to get rid of the terrorists and their support and motivation so we don't have to be in a state of continual lock-down. After all, we've had the minimal amount of changes to try to protect ourselves and look at the carping and hysteria from the left over a few changes in FISA and in monitoring overseas calls. If we have a defensive posture only, that will only get worse. There is an ideology that exists that prefers using terror and if we accept that in the same way that we accept that storms will happen, we're going to lose, and keep losing.

[Harlan Huckleby]

it basically is the mindset that the terrorists will always exist and we have to be prepared, rather than saying, we have to get rid of the terrorists and their support and motivation

you are making wild logical leaps. I'm not making any coment on our strategy for fighting terrorism.

[Scott Campbell]

You said: "I don't blame the terrorists." That just pisses me right the fuck off.

I don't blame them for being successful on 911. I do blame them for hating us enough to want to kill us in the first place.

[Harlan Huckleby]

And then HH goes and makes a stupid, brain dead post like the last one that makes one want to regurgitate one's lunch.

it was just a joke, not making any serious comment about mexicans or immigration.

[Scott Campbell]

.. it basically is the mindset that the terrorists will always exist and we have to be prepared, rather than saying, we have to get rid of the terrorists and their support and motivation.......

My mindset is that terrorists will continue to exist until we get rid of the terrorists and their support and motivation.

But until then, shame on us for forgetting to lock the door.

[Tarlam!]

it was just a joke, not making any serious comment about mexicans or immigration.

Look, I like your humor, I really do. But, that was stupid - the subject and especially, thread. Just stupid. Consider yourself chastised, young man.

[Harlan Huckleby]

actually, it was pretty damn funny! my working definition of funny is what I think is funny. I am in the business of pleasuring myself.

[Scott Campbell]

I am in the business of pleasuring myself.

........leaving us with a worldwide grand total of...........one of you.

[Tarlam!]

My mindset is that terrorists will continue to exist until we get rid of the terrorists and their support and motivation.

But until then, shame on us for forgetting to lock the door.

Don't you see, though, that by taking my sperm sample at your airports the terrorists won?

I don't look forward to a repeat of 9/11, but the security at your place has had me cancel half a dozen trips, at least. I was strip search at Milwaukee on my way to Toronto because the 'puter threw out 3 X's on my boarding card!!

I am not Harlan, I hate that shit!!!

[mraynrand]

it basically is the mindset that the terrorists will always exist and we have to be prepared, rather than saying, we have to get rid of the terrorists and their support and motivation

you are making wild logical leaps. I'm not making any coment on our strategy for fighting terrorism.

Yes, to an extent. But I think it follows from the mindset of thinking about our prevention aspect first and thinking about our security failures first. Calling 9/11 a 'tragedy' and comparing it to Chernobyl is a much different stance that calling it an attack and a call to arms, for example. Those two different viewpoints are not entirely mutually exclusive, but the viewpoint you choose to focus on initially will ultimately lead to a different viewpoint in combating terrorism.

[Scott Campbell]

Sorry for your inconvenience Tarlam. But its the lesser of 2 evils. My kids don't like having to lock their bikes up either. But it beats having them stolen. It's too bad, but Mayberry doesn't exist anymore.

[Tarlam!]

Sorry for your inconvenience Tarlam.

Y'know mate, if it were only my inconvenience, I wouldn't really worry. But have you seen the lines at security since 9/11? You must have. The terrorists have changed the way we travel. They won a huge victory, becuse they forced a change in our daily lives.

I think that sucks.

[Scott Campbell]

Sorry for your inconvenience Tarlam.

Y'know mate, if it were only my inconvenience, I wouldn't really worry. But have you seen the lines at security since 9/11? You must have. The terrorists have changed the way we travel. They won a huge victory, becuse they forced a change in our daily lives.

I think that sucks.

I've flown most every week for the last 16 years. Though rarely internationally. I know airport security. It does suck, but lines seem to be getting shorter. I have the drill down.

And security is not even my biggest gripe when traveling anymore. The ineptitude of the airlines is far more inconvenient. Come to think of it, I'd like to label some of those companies and their employees as enemy combatants.

[HowardRoark]

To nobody in particular:

a) whose fault was Pearl Harbor?

b) do you think our country would have allowed the counter measures needed prior to 9/11?

There is a tremendous amount of push back to counter measures now, even after 9/11.

[bobblehead]

I learned a new word. MASTABATORY. cool. I already knew several along that line:

Ty will help you learn to spell it: masturbatory.

thank you, I should have known better than to trust HH's spelling, but mine isn't that great either so I just ran with it.