7 years since 9-11

[retailguy]

A good liberal like you would defer to the wisdom of the United Nations.

That would be the top 11 of the "human development index", I believe. You probably should inform the rest of the forum that our good buddies in the UN ranked us 12th.... Of course, we'd probably shoot up the list if we paid our dues, though, wouldn't we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Our good buddies probably don't know what the HDI is.

Do you have any proof that the HDI is biased or slanted in any way?

You know, I don't have any "evidence", not that I'd be in a position to gather any. I have a general distrust of the UN and what it does. I personally believe, that the UN has a bias towards making the US look bad, to minimize it's importance. Because to be honest, what stands in the way of a more powerful UN is the US. Without the US, the UN would have a lot more clout and power.

I do believe that "achievements" by the US are minimized in importance and that we are singled out by anyone when we're less than perfect.

[BallHawk]

I will agree that the UN is a crock of bullshit in its current state. It needs to be COMPLETELY restructured. Its current alignment guarantees nothing important gets done and locks out countries that need to have greater influence. WWII was 60 years ago let's mess around with the Security Council. Brazil, Germany, Japan, etc. are locked out under the current structure.

[texaspackerbacker]

The whole CONCEPT of a United Nations is a crock of shit.

The ONLY way it would have any value whatsoever would be if the U.S. had 51% voting rights for ANY question or issue brought up.

Sure, leftists snicker at such an idea, but what would be the result?

There would be an automatic mechanism for promoting goodness and compassion worldwide, There would be an automatic force available to deal with any evil that could arise--American forces would not be the ones to police the world, merely to assume command and control, and provide sophisticated weapn support as needed.

There would no longer be the supremely valid reasons that exist now for Americans to hate and disrespect the UN, as it would be strictly OUR tool--the means by which we engineered a freer, more peaceful, healthier, better educated world--at far less expense, monetarily and otherwise, to American taxpayers than now.

Hell Yeah, I know it will never happen, but if you think about it, the only thing really standing in the way is the attitudes of the American left. Most of us would have no qualms about just telling the world, "this is the way it's gonna be, You're either with us or you're on the outside looking in".

[Harlan Huckleby]

I will agree that the UN is a crock of bullshit in its current state. It needs to be COMPLETELY restructured. Its current alignment guarantees nothing important gets done and locks out countries that need to have greater influence. WWII was 60 years ago let's mess around with the Security Council. Brazil, Germany, Japan, etc. are locked out under the current structure.

not having Brazil or India on the security council is ridiculous. And Europe should have one representative, not two.

I think the U.N. does some significant nuts-and-bolts work - surpervising elections, promoting health, aiding refugees. They are useless in issues that involve power struggles.

[bobblehead]

Yup, the terrorist hate us because we love apple pie and baseball.

And jerkin the gherkin!

[bobblehead]

I have to ask, how could anybody who isn't an America-HATER not be an America CHAUVINIST? The simple fact is: We, our country, our way of life, our values and heritage REALLY ARE BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE! Could/would anybody other than our resident leftist extremists possibly deny that?

I am as patriotic as the next guy, but I recognize that other countries do things as well, if not better, than we do them.

Such as?

I have to admit, Iran kills homosexuals better than we do. There are other examples, but this one I'm rock solid on.

[bobblehead]

(No)Ballhawk, I'm still waiting to here what nations you think are equal to or better than America/Americans--by any rational criteria including the lame things you cited.

Iceland
Norway
Australia
Canada
Ireland
Sweden
Switzerland
Japan
Netherlands
France
Finland

Countries only a socialist could love! Which one are you gonna move too--since you prefer them to the U.S.?

And what will become of them when your boy, Obama, gets in and takes away the American umbrella of protection for them? If you like Euro-style socialism, you'll probably LOVE jihadist-style Sharia Law.

Congrats on responding, though. That puts you a cut above most of the truly No-Ball leftists in the forum.

Ireland is much more capitalist than the USA at this point, we should be copying them....and I can't move their, they don't let people in very easily....unlike us where you can simply sneak across the border.

Rigorous immigration policy based on proper usage of: there, their, and they're.

Yea, like i said, I can't get in they're because their two tough with there immigration policies, can't you reed? If you are gonna bother proofreading my posts you have a full time job on you're hands cuz I am concentrating on a point of view, not proficiency. (and yes your write, i used the wrong you're on purpose.)

[bobblehead]

A good liberal like you would defer to the wisdom of the United Nations.

That would be the top 11 of the "human development index", I believe. You probably should inform the rest of the forum that our good buddies in the UN ranked us 12th.... Of course, we'd probably shoot up the list if we paid our dues, though, wouldn't we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Our good buddies probably don't know what the HDI is.

Do you have any proof that the HDI is biased or slanted in any way?

Let me get this straight...while they were sneaking oil out of iraq behind everyones back and wasting money on condo renovations they were making a list on HDI and ranking us 12th. Well, that settles it then, we suck, they said so.

Incidently I would like to see national healthcare in other countries if they were disallowed from using any drugs created in the good old USA.

[BallHawk]

I have to ask, how could anybody who isn't an America-HATER not be an America CHAUVINIST? The simple fact is: We, our country, our way of life, our values and heritage REALLY ARE BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE! Could/would anybody other than our resident leftist extremists possibly deny that?

I am as patriotic as the next guy, but I recognize that other countries do things as well, if not better, than we do them.

Such as?

I have to admit, Iran kills homosexuals better than we do. There are other examples, but this one I'm rock solid on.

What are you talking about? There aren't any homosexuals in Iran, HE says so.

[Freak Out]

Incidently I would like to see national healthcare in other countries if they were disallowed from using any drugs created in the good old USA.

It's not like they get them for free.

[bobblehead]

Incidently I would like to see national healthcare in other countries if they were disallowed from using any drugs created in the good old USA.

It's not like they get them for free.

No, they just get them CREATED for free.

[texaspackerbacker]

Incidently I would like to see national healthcare in other countries if they were disallowed from using any drugs created in the good old USA.

It's not like they get them for free.

I think you're missing the point, Freakout.

OUR magnificent health care system--which leftists malign and whine that they favor socialized medicine instead of--has produced virtually ALL of the technological advances--pharmaceutical and otherwise in the last century or so.

Where would these countries be without those advances--which arguably would not have occurred in a non-free enterprise setting like theirs?

Likewise, where would these countries be if not for the protection they enjoy under the American military umbrella from little insignificant forces like Nazism, Communism, and radical Islam?

In a world of shit, that's where--in both cases.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Incidently I would like to see national healthcare in other countries if they were disallowed from using any drugs created in the good old USA.

It's not like they get them for free.

No, they just get them CREATED for free.

How so? Do they not buy products..which then gives pharm the profits to explore new products?

[bobblehead]

Incidently I would like to see national healthcare in other countries if they were disallowed from using any drugs created in the good old USA.

It's not like they get them for free.

No, they just get them CREATED for free.

How so? Do they not buy products..which then gives pharm the profits to explore new products?

They pay reduced/negotiated, non free market prices. they pay prices that wouldn't get the drug created. they pay a price subsidized by the american people paying a higher price....yay nationalized medicine...it will slow down the march of progress.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Incidently I would like to see national healthcare in other countries if they were disallowed from using any drugs created in the good old USA.

It's not like they get them for free.

No, they just get them CREATED for free.

How so? Do they not buy products..which then gives pharm the profits to explore new products?

They pay reduced/negotiated, non free market prices. they pay prices that wouldn't get the drug created. they pay a price subsidized by the american people paying a higher price....yay nationalized medicine...it will slow down the march of progress.

But, they still pay....so, let's not overstate things.

Again, we disagree. We see plenty of innovation and the best military in the world..yet, the don't get to make obscene profits (i know, obscene is a liberal concept..just ignore it).