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  • Palin vs. Reagan - The Problem

    In advance of the Vice Presidential debate on Thursday, it seems like a good time to talk about Sarah Palin and her role on the Republican ticket, her role in the Republican Party, and the future of the Republican party. Palin provided a huge surge for the Republicans, arriving on the scene of a lackluster McCain campaign, trying to battle both the tarnish of the Bush administration and the illumination of the Obama campaign by the main stream media. What was McCain to do? If he brings in Romney, he would get crushed (especially now with the financial collapse) of essentially welcoming an 'evil CEO' on the ticket. if he brings in Huckabee, you have Grampa and his Pastor running against the chosen one.

    So McCain reaches, pulling in the inexperienced Palin, who has the advantages of being a staunch conservative, a reformer, a mother of five, and an executive of a successful state, with an eye on using the natural resources of the U.S. to help in the energy crunch. She comes to the party saying that she was inspired by Reagan, and that makes sense - she grew up with Reagan in the White House. But is she another Reagan. Well, no, not right now. Reagan had a long journey to his presidency, and had a lot of experience in politics, starting really with being the head of the actor's union. Being first a Democrat, and being able to see the workings of unions and protectionism, he forged a different direction, and changed his arty affiliation. He campaigned for several presidents, came close to defeating Ford for the nomination in 1976, and finally got on the ticket in 1980. By the time he got there, he had a direct and uncomplicated message, honed over three decades of crafting - mostly by himself - that resonated with America.

    Simply, Reagan promoted the three legged stool of conservativism 1) Economic - the Federal government, and government in general, is an impediment in most cases to business and to the freedoms of the American people. Lower taxes and less government interference will lead to more prosperity. Hand-outs in the form of entitlement programs make people dependent on government, and that is a cancer that eats away the foundation of the country 2) Defense - The most vital, constitutionally mandated role of the government is to protect the nation. The United States is the greatest nation on the face of the earth and has demonstrated this by liberating countless nations in some of the most horrific wars at enormous cost in blood and treasure. Yet, despite our great status and power, we have not been an imperial power, handing over the reins to conquered nations and helping them rebuild themselves over and over. No Super power has done this anywhere near the extent of the U.S. It is our unique legacy. Evil exists in the form of communism and totalitarian regimes and we should oppose such regimes by proxy, and directly if necessary. Central to this goal is the maintenance of a strong military 3) Social - Our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution mandate and implore us to protect the sanctity of human life, and therefore we should strive to protect life from conception to natural death.

    These are the ideas that Reagan advanced. Palin believes in them intrinsically and lives them. But she has had very little experience and opportunity to espouse them. She doesn't state these ideas clearly in interviews. She stumbles finding the right words, in twisted into knots countering gotcha questions and critiques. She likely won't have the seasoning to defeat the pathetic, but savvy Joe Biden on Thursday. She wasn't ready to burst on the national scene and handle all these difficult issues with the skill of a tried and tested Reagan - a must when battling the hostile forces aligned against her. If she somehow performs well on Thursday, it will be stunning, given the very little time she's had to craft her ideology into a direct, compelling, uncluttered message. While she represents the future of the party - the liberated, fully realized woman with the ability to choose a family, choose life, even for a special need child, and the ability to choose a challenging career, all with the support of a stable, cooperative husband. She represents the conservative ideals of Reagan, if not the polished and perfected delivery.
    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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    Did you write this mraynrand? Pretty good stuff. Palin is going to have to be perfect, unfortunately, at the VP debate. If she makes any mistakes Biden and the media will eat her alive.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LL2
      Did you write this mraynrand? Pretty good stuff. Palin is going to have to be perfect, unfortunately, at the VP debate. If she makes any mistakes Biden and the media will eat her alive.

      And the typos are mine too. I should probably clean it up...
      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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      • #4
        Reagan signed the Nations most liberal abortion bill into law as Cali's Governor.
        C.H.U.D.

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        • #5
          The first response I had when I saw the thread title is: Palin ain't running against Reagan. Yeah, I know that isn't the message of the article, but whatever.

          Completely aside from the more timely and relevant compsrison--to Barak Obama, who is WOEFULLY MORE INEXPERIENCED than Palin, both in foreign policy and executive decision-making in general, you have the point that as much as the liberal elitists HATED Reagan, they didn't even make as big a deal about Reagan on foreign policy as Palin. That leads to two conclusions: 1. There is major SEXISM motivating the Dem/libs here, and 2. They got BURNED by taking for granted in their sick elitist way, that Reagan didn't have a chance--that when it came right down to it, the American people would be sheep, following the likes of media assholes like Walter Cronkite, etc. and voting for the leftist candidate.

          Palin is gonna stick it to the "Gaff Man". Ol' Joe Biden, on Thursday night, ideally to such an extent that even the ;eftist mainstream media can't deny it, but certainly to an extent that there will be no doubt in the minds of the American people.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
            Palin is gonna stick it to the "Gaff Man". Ol' Joe Biden, on Thursday night, ideally to such an extent that even the ;eftist mainstream media can't deny it, but certainly to an extent that there will be no doubt in the minds of the American people.
            That is a bold claim. I hope your right.

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            • #7
              I'm sorry, but i really don't buy the reformer part of her resume. This is a nice branding effort, but this is the same woman who hired a lobbyist to get Wasilla more money and supported the bridge to nowhere.

              Now, that doesn't mean she is a bad person or pol, but the branding is kinda funny.

              While we can argue all day about Obama's lack of experience, he clearly is well versed enough and smart enough to know the issues back and forth..regardless if you think he is wrong.

              Palin, at this stage isn't. The question isn't that she isn't qualified...rand (who, outside of the pack..i don't agree with) is pretty much right..she isn't. There were much better candidates out there for your side. Now, they may not have energized the party, but as far as qualifications..not a doubt.

              The problem is that so many of them dont' align with the conservative part of the party. Just as the left as to deal with the far left...the repubs have to deal with the far right...and, looking back at reagan...he really didn't have to kowtow to the religious right...talk about jesus, etc.

              For example, if you wanted to nominate a woman..KBJ would be far better choice..except that she is pro-choice..which would alienate a substantial portion of the base.

              So, what you are now left with is someone who energizes the base, but is essentially Dan Quayle redux. Yes, she is attractive and brings something to the table, but there can't be many that feel confident when she has to talk extemporaneously..or go against Biden (though, this is a treacherous time...since Biden can't seem to talk down to her or whip up on her..lest Palin get the sympathy vote..which is sexist...since Biden should be able to beat up on her like any man..but, we all know that can't happen.).

              Look, if she can't hold up to a marshmellow like Couric then how is she going to do against anyone substantial. And, not being versed enough in current Mac positions or Bush's..that is inexcusable.

              We can all criticize Obama for waiting and then clarifying his position (or waffling if you are a repub) like on Georgia, but telling Couric she'll get back to her on Mac...that is just laughable.

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              • #8
                LOL

                This IS rich!

                The only thing Barry has changed is his brand of smokes!


                I'm sorry, but i really don't buy the reformer part of her resume. This is a nice branding effort, but this is the same woman who hired a lobbyist to get Wasilla more money and supported the bridge to nowhere.




                By the way you know what change means? ( some will find it offensive but it made me laugh)


                Come Help A Negro Get Elected
                Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                  We can all criticize Obama for waiting and then clarifying his position (or waffling if you are a repub) like on Georgia, but telling Couric she'll get back to her on Mac...that is just laughable.
                  I have to raise the point here: Obama changed his view almost completely from one of equanimity between the 'warring sides' in the Russian invasion - not a clarification.

                  Palin didn't have any examples from McCain's record. She just didn't know. She didn't know his record. The question is, should she? Was it a bogus question - sure it was. But her answer was her problem. She should have said - "McCain is reform-minded. I'm certain that a capable news reporter like you Katie can have an intern dig up all the McCain reforms. I don't have his record on the tip of my tongue."

                  Obama revealed a complete lack of judgment - no, what he revealed was his true instinct. Instincts that are wrong and dangerous, just like his instinct to say he should meet with Amadinajad and other treacherous leaders without precondition.

                  Comparing the two incidents is like apples and oranges. Obama revealed his true self - one of relativism (you could say humility in the face of evil), Plain revealed that she didn't have a working knowledge of McCains' career - and that she's not a savvy/slippery politician like others hanging around Washington all their lives. It does make her look bad, especially when the media is looking to diminish her.
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #10
                    ^^^
                    Helping the republican party shed it's reputation for racism one day at a time.

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                    • #11
                      mraynrand.

                      A great post, until the last paragragh. Your summary of her inexperience is exactly what makes her the weaker VP candidate. Its a huge leap of faith to justify her ability to serve when everything shown to date, from a controlled environment no less, proves otherwise. She keeps dropping the ball, softball questions answered with party line catch phrases, no substantive responses of her own. Everybody, but her, has justified her credentials and her position on the ticket. That doesn't work for me, I would be more inclined to have you serve as the VP candidate (if you really are Greenday from JSO) than Palin.

                      To compare/copntrast her experience (or lack thereof) against Obama is not correct either, she isn't running for President. Obama record will fail on its own accord.

                      Luckily, for all of us,the VP isn't the 2nd most powerful position in the world. I think its the presidential political advisors or the cabinet secretaries. Its only "the most powerful position" if the president is unable to serve. The VP has no enumerated duties unless its at an "undisclosed location."

                      To her credit, if Palin does well in the debate, the GOP will almost assurdedly secure the election in November. If she fails, then McCain might have to face some valid questions about his selection. No doubt the race will open up and Obama and the Dems might actually pull this off.

                      anyway, I'm off the soap box and back to work.

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                      • #12
                        Rand,

                        The point of the thread is palin, so i'm not going to jack it and talk about Obama.

                        Couric: I disagree.

                        One thing I'll throw out is that anyone who justifies Palin's existence on this ticket by saying she is as experienced and knowledgeable as Obama should have their heads checked. Obama showed poise and knowledge in the debates. You may disagree with him on his positions, but he stood toe-to-toe with one of the more experienced US senators on foreign policy and had a good give and take. Sarah Palin is not in his class.

                        The most glaring thing after the debate was watching Biden go channel to channel after the debate and hearing each channel say "we requested Sarah Palin join us but the McCain campaign instead provided us with Rudy Giuliani."

                        Give me a break. She is so far out of her league and the fact they cant even have her out there doing traditional VP duties on debate night should have been glaring to anyone watching. Her presence on the ticket takes it from moderate and knowledgeable to a significant, significant risk.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sheepshead
                          By the way you know what change means? ( some will find it offensive but it made me laugh)

                          Come Help A Negro Get Elected
                          Go back under the rock you crawled out of, you Flatlander hick.

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                          • #14
                            It really doesn't matter what happens Thursday......we don't have a free press anymore. This race is over.
                            After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HowardRoark
                              It really doesn't matter what happens Thursday......we don't have a free press anymore. This race is over.
                              Is Fox gone?

                              Please don't tell me that. Where else will i get my daily dose of liberal bashing and Sean Hannity's relentless objectivity?

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