Students Confess To Hanging Obama in Effigy

[falco]

These idiots do a disservice to all the leftists that do this kind of thing and try to blame "rascist conservatives". By actually being rascist conservatives they damage the 87% statistic.

it was bound to happen sooner or later, neither side is immune to idiocy

[texaspackerbacker]

OK, suppose we play your silly game and label these haters of America-haters as racist.

Do racists somehow now NOT have the same Constitutional rights as anybody else--specifically, the same rights as DESPICABLE ASSHOLES WHO BURN THE AMERICAN FLAG IN GESTURES OF HATE FOR THIS COUNTRY? IMHO, that--the flag burning--is a thousand times worse.

I STILL haven't heard any evidence that these hangers of effigies had racist motivations. This STILL is just a smokescreen by Obamaphiles to cover over the FACT that their pet candidate is so eminently HATEABLE.

[MJZiggy]

You can't possibly be that blind, Tex. It's just not possible.

[falco]

OK, suppose we play your silly game and label these haters of America-haters as racist.

Do racists somehow now NOT have the same Constitutional rights as anybody else--specifically, the same rights as DESPICABLE ASSHOLES WHO BURN THE AMERICAN FLAG IN GESTURES OF HATE FOR THIS COUNTRY? IMHO, that--the flag burning--is a thousand times worse.

I STILL haven't heard any evidence that these hangers of effigies had racist motivations. This STILL is just a smokescreen by Obamaphiles to cover over the FACT that their pet candidate is so eminently HATEABLE.

this is just like the civil rights movement, which according to tex was a bunch of whites trying to stir up trouble amongst perfectly happy subjugated blacks

[Kiwon]

Re: Students Confess To Hanging Obama in Effigy

..conservative..evangelical..Christian..white.

The absolute bane of society....right, OPF?

When they start hanging representations of public figures from trees in a manner that suggests historical lynching, maybe...

But noted photographer Jill Greenberg's work is just fine, right?

[MJZiggy]

Dunno, has it been hung in a public place to suggest racial violence against the subject?

[falco]

it's important understand the historical connotation of a lynching

the saddest story for me is the all too common occurrence of black veterans of world war 1 being hung in their uniforms upon returning home

in fact, its terrible to see this symbol politicized on either side of the aisle, if i may say so

[Tyrone Bigguns]

These "perpetrators" will land on their feet. Having this little expression of free speech on their resumes will help them in a lot of venues.

That is true. Unlike many sectors of the economy, white power groups are in a major hiring mode.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Students Confess To Hanging Obama in Effigy

..conservative..evangelical..Christian..white.

The absolute bane of society....right, OPF?

When they start hanging representations of public figures from trees in a manner that suggests historical lynching, maybe...

But noted photographer Jill Greenberg's work is just fine, right?

Are you really going to conflate an artist's work with what they did? LOL

They are gonna have to invent new latin phrases for the ridiculous arguments you make.

[texaspackerbacker]

it's important understand the historical connotation of a lynching

the saddest story for me is the all too common occurrence of black veterans of world war 1 being hung in their uniforms upon returning home

in fact, its terrible to see this symbol politicized on either side of the aisle, if i may say so

You're talking apples and oranges here, falco.

Even if this anti-Obama/anti-hater of America political statement is construed as racist, SYMBOLISM of lynching, hanging, or whatever is a far cry from the real thing. I've been wracking my brain trying to think of a suitable analogy of symbolism faling way short of reality that would mean something to liberals. So far nothing. It's hard to get through to people whose entire psyche is saturated with a bad is good outlook on life.

I don't mean you, falco--just our forum leftists with their sadly flawed attitudes toward America, Christianity, free enterprise, normalcy, decency, basically anything that is good.

[falco]

it's important understand the historical connotation of a lynching

the saddest story for me is the all too common occurrence of black veterans of world war 1 being hung in their uniforms upon returning home

in fact, its terrible to see this symbol politicized on either side of the aisle, if i may say so

You're talking apples and oranges here, falco.

Even if this anti-Obama/anti-hater of America political statement is construed as racist, SYMBOLISM of lynching, hanging, or whatever is a far cry from the real thing. I've been wracking my brain trying to think of a suitable analogy of symbolism faling way short of reality that would mean something to liberals. So far nothing. It's hard to get through to people whose entire psyche is saturated with a bad is good outlook on life.

I don't mean you, falco--just our forum leftists with their sadly flawed attitudes toward America, Christianity, free enterprise, normalcy, decency, basically anything that is good.

i agree tex - i would almost argue that people should dismiss it, since paying attention to it is probably what the perpetrator wanted, but its probably not my place to do so.

i would also agree with you that they have a right to do so, just like others have the right to burn the flag... i think someone who spilled their blood in vietnam would have the same gut wrenching reaction as a black person would be to a noose

i hope as those days go farther in the past, symbols like a noose will loose that stigmatism

[MJZiggy]

it's important understand the historical connotation of a lynching

the saddest story for me is the all too common occurrence of black veterans of world war 1 being hung in their uniforms upon returning home

in fact, its terrible to see this symbol politicized on either side of the aisle, if i may say so

You're talking apples and oranges here, falco.

Even if this anti-Obama/anti-hater of America political statement is construed as racist, SYMBOLISM of lynching, hanging, or whatever is a far cry from the real thing. I've been wracking my brain trying to think of a suitable analogy of symbolism faling way short of reality that would mean something to liberals. So far nothing. It's hard to get through to people whose entire psyche is saturated with a bad is good outlook on life.

I don't mean you, falco--just our forum leftists with their sadly flawed attitudes toward America, Christianity, free enterprise, normalcy, decency, basically anything that is good.

Tex, what did the burning of a cross in someone's front yard mean? After all, it was just SYMBOLISM, right? I guess I'm going to have to explain to you what you were there to see for yourself. The lynchings during the civil rights movement were a form of terrorism. They were a message spoken loudly and clearly that said "this guy didn't play by our rules and this is what he got." The cross burning on the lawn was meant as a warning to someone that you weren't playing by their rules and you were going to be next if you didn't shape up and stop making waves. It's the same message and some men in hijacked planes tried to send to your beloved America. "Do what we want or you will be next." It's the exact same fucking thing just on a grander scale.

Whether the students knew the message that they were trying to send, the message associated with what they did (especially considering that they put a reference to race right on their "symbol") was that we think this black guy (you know the word that is likely used there) is overstepping and this is the type of reaction we condone. If you were an African American man on that campus, wouldn't you get the feeling that this message was meant for you and that if they condone this action and can't find the guy in the image that maybe you'll be a good enough substitute?

This is why that act is repulsive and you should know that. Don't give me freedom of speech until you've yelled fire in a crowded theater to see how free your speech really is. Your freedom stops at threatening or endangering others and this stunt (whether intended or not) is a clear threat.

[texaspackerbacker]

i hope as those days go farther in the past, symbols like a noose will loose that stigmatism.

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Yeah, falco, then we can hang the REAL bad guys with impugnity .

[texaspackerbacker]

it's important understand the historical connotation of a lynching

the saddest story for me is the all too common occurrence of black veterans of world war 1 being hung in their uniforms upon returning home

in fact, its terrible to see this symbol politicized on either side of the aisle, if i may say so

You're talking apples and oranges here, falco.

Even if this anti-Obama/anti-hater of America political statement is construed as racist, SYMBOLISM of lynching, hanging, or whatever is a far cry from the real thing. I've been wracking my brain trying to think of a suitable analogy of symbolism faling way short of reality that would mean something to liberals. So far nothing. It's hard to get through to people whose entire psyche is saturated with a bad is good outlook on life.

I don't mean you, falco--just our forum leftists with their sadly flawed attitudes toward America, Christianity, free enterprise, normalcy, decency, basically anything that is good.

Tex, what did the burning of a cross in someone's front yard mean? After all, it was just SYMBOLISM, right? I guess I'm going to have to explain to you what you were there to see for yourself. The lynchings during the civil rights movement were a form of terrorism. They were a message spoken loudly and clearly that said "this guy didn't play by our rules and this is what he got." The cross burning on the lawn was meant as a warning to someone that you weren't playing by their rules and you were going to be next if you didn't shape up and stop making waves. It's the same message and some men in hijacked planes tried to send to your beloved America. "Do what we want or you will be next." It's the exact same fucking thing just on a grander scale.

Whether the students knew the message that they were trying to send, the message associated with what they did (especially considering that they put a reference to race right on their "symbol") was that we think this black guy (you know the word that is likely used there) is overstepping and this is the type of reaction we condone. If you were an African American man on that campus, wouldn't you get the feeling that this message was meant for you and that if they condone this action and can't find the guy in the image that maybe you'll be a good enough substitute?

This is why that act is repulsive and you should know that. Don't give me freedom of speech until you've yelled fire in a crowded theater to see how free your speech really is. Your freedom stops at threatening or endangering others and this stunt (whether intended or not) is a clear threat.

Or maybe the whole civil rights movement was a form of terrorism--destroying one group's way of life in order to empower another group's situation.

I was up north back in those days; I never saw a cross burning, much less anything REAL--like a lynching, beating, or whatever. You, too, seem to be having a hard time distinguishing between REAL damage and mere symbolism. What did cross burnings mean? I would say the answer is, they meant "warnings" to back off and Not be a part of the movement that northern liberals were trying to push southern blacks into. Can you honestly claim that TANGIBLE harm--not merely symbolic--was done by cross burnings--assuming it didn't progress beyond the threat stage?

Arguably, the northern troublemakers--civil rights workers, whatever--did far more harm to southern blacks than any racists, cross burners, etc. There was contentment, stability, morality, and yes, even progress--albeit slower than liberal boat rockers envisioned--toward the equality of opportunity, etc. that liberals claim to have wanted. If things had been allowed to evolve naturally, it is highly probable you wouldn't have the latent hatred you see today, as well as the horribly damaged family and social problems that characterize black society today.

THAT'S the other side of the story, Ziggy. I suppose you prefer to buy into the party line put forth by liberals. Whatever. Just be aware, there is another side to things which is equally likely to be valid.

[MJZiggy]

Holy fuck, Tex. It wasn't a liberal or conservative issue. It was a human issue. Cross burnings were symbolic because they DID go past the threatening stage and that's what made the threat valid. When bin Laden makes a threat that you think could be valid, do you not think there's a chance he might try to carry it out? Enough people were threatened and then lynched to let other people know the danger in the threat. I can't believe you don't see that.

The civil rights movement was in no way shape or form any type of terrorism at all. Really, what kind of threat is a sit in? Where is the violence in a child going to school except for the white folks going on the attack. Don't tell me they didn't want things better because if they didn't, Brown v. Board of Education would never have happened. That wasn't shoved down their throats. Brown wanted a better education and isn't that what all Americans should want? To better themselves? You're stepping into Russert territory here, Tex.