Students Confess To Hanging Obama in Effigy

[Kiwon]

Re: Students Confess To Hanging Obama in Effigy

..conservative..evangelical..Christian..white.

The absolute bane of society....right, OPF?

When they start hanging representations of public figures from trees in a manner that suggests historical lynching, maybe...

But noted photographer Jill Greenberg's work is just fine, right?

Are you really going to conflate an artist's work with what they did? LOL

They are gonna have to invent new latin phrases for the ridiculous arguments you make.

No, I'm not. Jill Greenberg's stunt is much worse.

Her work is permanently archived by her (and proudly so) on the Internet as a propaganda tool for her ideology. She's using her considerable artistic talents to very calculatedly influence opinions. More importantly, her portrait HAS ALREADY been seen by millions of people around the world.

What about the prank at the 3,500-student college? Four students in the dead of night take a cutout, attach fishing line along with a stupid note, and suspend it off the ground by tying it to a tree.

Campus grounds workers removed it the next morning by 7 am.

Wow, it was seen by what, maybe 10 people? Any photos, any Internet posting? Nope.

And talk about conflation. You miss that in the original story it never specifically mentions that the fishing line was fashioned into a hangman's noose around the neck of the cutout. All it said was that the cutout was found "hanging." It's a cutout for crying out loud. It could have been attached anywhere on the cardboard.

The writer cleverly mentions another past incident elsewhere in Oregon featuring a noose and hanging effigy thereby implicitly linking one to the other as she then gets to her main point - Christians are dangerous psychos.

YOU want to compare the two?

The students CONFESSED to their prank. Jill Greenberg BRAGS about her bigotry. So who are the bigger threats to others? Jill Greenberg is the true dangerous psycho.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Kiwon]

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Ah, yes, don't let the FACTS cloud your opinions, TB.

[MJZiggy]

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Ah, yes, don't let the FACTS cloud your opinions, TB.

Who does her image actually threaten? The image may be offensive, but is only seen either by people who google her or are already familiar with her, or when people like you spread the image. Without you, I'd have had no better chance of seeing that than the message on campus had it not made the news.

Try all you want, it's not the same thing and you know it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Ah, yes, don't let the FACTS cloud your opinions, TB.

Which facts. Like the one that has you or one of your brethren repeatedly posting unflattering pics of dems? Or "artwork" that depicts them in a negative light. But, that is ok, but when reciprocated it is horrible.

Or the fact that Ms. Greenberg put her name on her artwork and is therefore accountable and you are able to criticize her..whereas the students didn't..not until they faced consequences.

Or the "fact" that the students performed a prank. LOL If it was a light hearted prank, why are they being punished?

Or the fact that the fishing line was AROUND THE NECK. Oops.

Or the fact that YOU are determining impact...you are telling me how i should feel or the extent of the damage. Oops.

Again, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Ah, yes, don't let the FACTS cloud your opinions, TB.

Who does her image actually threaten? The image may be offensive, but is only seen either by people who google her or are already familiar with her, or when people like you spread the image. Without you, I'd have had no better chance of seeing that than the message on campus had it not made the news.

Try all you want, it's not the same thing and you know it.

I've never heard of this artist, but thanks to Kiwon, i'm purchasing this print.

(in best will farrell voice) It is GLORIOUS!!

[texaspackerbacker]

Holy fuck, Tex. It wasn't a liberal or conservative issue. It was a human issue. Cross burnings were symbolic because they DID go past the threatening stage and that's what made the threat valid. When bin Laden makes a threat that you think could be valid, do you not think there's a chance he might try to carry it out? Enough people were threatened and then lynched to let other people know the danger in the threat. I can't believe you don't see that.

The civil rights movement was in no way shape or form any type of terrorism at all. Really, what kind of threat is a sit in? Where is the violence in a child going to school except for the white folks going on the attack. Don't tell me they didn't want things better because if they didn't, Brown v. Board of Education would never have happened. That wasn't shoved down their throats. Brown wanted a better education and isn't that what all Americans should want? To better themselves? You're stepping into Russert territory here, Tex.

So say the liberals who perpetrated it on southern society, NOT just on whites, but overall, to the detriment of blacks too. It wasn't "shoved down their throats"? "Their" meaning southern blacks, or maybe blacks in general? You really think the shattered family structure of blacks, the gang and drug culture, the ghetto lifestyle is BETTER than what they had in their "put down" state--as liberals pictured it--that would by now, probably have slowly evolved to the same degree of goodness as now--maybe a lot more--and WITHOUT the residual HATE that is the natural consequence with southerners of having the horredous upheaval inflicted on them from outside. (Think very carefully of the implications before you answer. The OTHER alternative reason for all that badness in black culture has some really nasty racial implications.)

I'm sure you'll keep right on eating up the shit put out by the left justifying this whole chapter in history, but like I said, be aware, there is another equally valid point of view which there is so much effort to suppress.

And as for poor little Brown, do you REALLY think he or she even knew or cared about the whole deal? He or she merely had his or her named attached to what a bunch of northern civil rights lawyers were pushing.

[MJZiggy]

The case was brought about by Brown's father (among others--you see, all those perfectly satisfied negroes had been filing class action suits against the Topeka schools trying to overturn the fallacy that was separate but equal) who wanted an educational opportunity for his daughter. They won in a UNANIMOUS decision by the Supreme Court of the United States. This is not a bunch of hicks, hacks but the Warren Court (a Republican I might add).

What happened subsequent is not the fault of what preceded it and there is nothing in the history to suggest that had the Civil Rights movement not taken the course it did and under the guidance of MLK that there wouldn't have been a violent upheaval from the periphery that you're tunnel vision does not permit you to see. It was coming, one way or another. They just got it done the legal way--through the United States Constitution. (Segregation and holding down of a group of people based on race is unconstitutional--by unanimous decision).

[texaspackerbacker]

The case was brought about by Brown's father (among others--you see, all those perfectly satisfied negroes had been filing class action suits against the Topeka schools trying to overturn the fallacy that was separate but equal) who wanted an educational opportunity for his daughter. They won in a UNANIMOUS decision by the Supreme Court of the United States. This is not a bunch of hicks, hacks but the Warren Court (a Republican I might add).

What happened subsequent is not the fault of what preceded it and there is nothing in the history to suggest that had the Civil Rights movement not taken the course it did and under the guidance of MLK that there wouldn't have been a violent upheaval from the periphery that you're tunnel vision does not permit you to see. It was coming, one way or another. They just got it done the legal way--through the United States Constitution. (Segregation and holding down of a group of people based on race is unconstitutional--by unanimous decision).

The HUGE percentage of blacks were happy and content until stirred up by liberal troublemakers. Violent upheaval? No way.

"What happened subsequent is not the fault of what preceded it", is that your way of dismissing the whole destruction and devolution of black culture that resulted from the civil rights movement? Come on!

And you would hold up Earl Warren as a shining example of a Republican? Yeah, I suppose to liberals he was. I guess you never saw all those "Impeach Earl Warren" billboards and bumper stickers. Oh wait, I guess you weren't born yet then.

[Kiwon]

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Ah, yes, don't let the FACTS cloud your opinions, TB.

Who does her image actually threaten? The image may be offensive, but is only seen either by people who google her or are already familiar with her, or when people like you spread the image. Without you, I'd have had no better chance of seeing that than the message on campus had it not made the news.

Try all you want, it's not the same thing and you know it.

What I know is that it's sad to see what's happening to you, MJZ.

"Without you, I'd have had no better chance of seeing that than the message on campus had it not made the news."

The only chance you had to see the cutout was to travel to Oregon and stand next to the tree within maybe a 6-hour window.

You can see the artist's work from anywhere in the world where there is an Internet connection.

Try all you want, a stupid act by four students (who have since apologized) doesn't justify bigotry against Christianity.

[MJZiggy]

The case was brought about by Brown's father (among others--you see, all those perfectly satisfied negroes had been filing class action suits against the Topeka schools trying to overturn the fallacy that was separate but equal) who wanted an educational opportunity for his daughter. They won in a UNANIMOUS decision by the Supreme Court of the United States. This is not a bunch of hicks, hacks but the Warren Court (a Republican I might add).

What happened subsequent is not the fault of what preceded it and there is nothing in the history to suggest that had the Civil Rights movement not taken the course it did and under the guidance of MLK that there wouldn't have been a violent upheaval from the periphery that you're tunnel vision does not permit you to see. It was coming, one way or another. They just got it done the legal way--through the United States Constitution. (Segregation and holding down of a group of people based on race is unconstitutional--by unanimous decision).

The HUGE percentage of blacks were happy and content until stirred up by liberal troublemakers. Violent upheaval? No way.

"What happened subsequent is not the fault of what preceded it", is that your way of dismissing the whole destruction and devolution of black culture that resulted from the civil rights movement? Come on!

And you would hold up Earl Warren as a shining example of a Republican? Yeah, I suppose to liberals he was. I guess you never saw all those "Impeach Earl Warren" billboards and bumper stickers. Oh wait, I guess you weren't born yet then.

You cannot use what happened after to justify not doing what they did. The fact of the matter is that there were blacks who wanted change and the way they were being treated was unconstitutional. Maybe you don't like Warren, but every other Justice in the Court agreed with him. What happened years later is completely irrelevant because the Court's job is to apply the law according to the Constitution, not predict the future. If the blacks of the time were happy, they wouldn't have brought suit and the case never would have come about. If she were happy about it, Rosa Parks would have sat in the back of the bus. I don't know her political leanings, but I don't think they apply to her wish to be treated like a human equal to those in the front of the bus.

and Kiwon, no one is bigoted against Christianity. I am bigoted about people trying to pull off a stunt like this--and you still haven't shown me the violence that the artist's work threatens or implies. Is it in bad taste? Sure. Has anyone actually been chewed up by the rendering in the image? There's the question for you. When you can show that people have and that the image poses a threat for it to happen again, then you have a point. This is why the students got punished (and sharply at that) It's where First Amendment rights end. I just can't fathom that you don't see the difference. It was a stupid act, sure, but the implication is condoning racial violence.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yes, there were malcontents among blacks back then, but they were a TINY minority. Most lived stable normal lives, raised their kids in disciplined Christian ways, and went about their daily business without trouble or controversy. True, they lived as second class citizens, but they did not hate, and they were not hated. And the lower class status was beginning to change on its own and clearly would have evolved WITHOUT ALL THE HATE into exactly the kind of society liberals tried to inflict by force immediately.

And I don't know if you are denying the linkage of gang and drug culture, degeneration of stable family life, etc. among blacks to the civil rights movement, or if you just are saying, "who cares, they should have done it anyway". It sounds like the latter. Either way, it's a shame, and it's all on your kind of people--albeit a generation or so before you came along. Liberals now, however, either by deliberate desire to harm this country, or probably in most cases, by misguided naivete, screw up just about everything they touch too--in a wide variety of fields.

And you hit the nail on the head when you described the proper role of the Supreme Court--"the Court's job is to apply the law according to the Constitution". Earl Warren's legacy is that he pretty much BEGAN the concept of an "activist" court--which basically said, "hell with the Constitution; we think things ought to be this way, so that's how we are ruling". Warren's court--ALL justices chosen by Democrats or liberal Republicans--harmed the country in a helluva lot more ways than just civil rights.

[bobblehead]

OK, suppose we play your silly game and label these haters of America-haters as racist.

Do racists somehow now NOT have the same Constitutional rights as anybody else--specifically, the same rights as DESPICABLE ASSHOLES WHO BURN THE AMERICAN FLAG IN GESTURES OF HATE FOR THIS COUNTRY? IMHO, that--the flag burning--is a thousand times worse.

I STILL haven't heard any evidence that these hangers of effigies had racist motivations. This STILL is just a smokescreen by Obamaphiles to cover over the FACT that their pet candidate is so eminently HATEABLE.

They have the right...and society has the right to shun them and point out what morons they are.

[bobblehead]

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Ah, yes, don't let the FACTS cloud your opinions, TB.

Who does her image actually threaten? The image may be offensive, but is only seen either by people who google her or are already familiar with her, or when people like you spread the image. Without you, I'd have had no better chance of seeing that than the message on campus had it not made the news.

Try all you want, it's not the same thing and you know it.

I've never heard of this artist, but thanks to Kiwon, i'm purchasing this print.

(in best will farrell voice) It is GLORIOUS!!

Congratulations....you just put yourself on par with tex.

[mraynrand]

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Ah, yes, don't let the FACTS cloud your opinions, TB.

Who does her image actually threaten? The image may be offensive, but is only seen either by people who google her or are already familiar with her, or when people like you spread the image. Without you, I'd have had no better chance of seeing that than the message on campus had it not made the news.

Try all you want, it's not the same thing and you know it.

I've never heard of this artist, but thanks to Kiwon, i'm purchasing this print.

(in best will farrell voice) It is GLORIOUS!!

Congratulations....you just put yourself on par with tex.

Bobble, nobody cares. tex celebrated Russert's death and there were pages of indignant wailing; Freak out wanted Giuliani dead, and there were crickets chirping. Ty is a law unto himself; the epitome of Rousseau's legacy. Your standards, and those of anyone else, do not apply to him, unless he agrees.