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  • I'm Voting For Barack Obama

    Yes, I've changed my mind. I hope Obama wins in a landslide. I'm going to do what I can to make sure it happens. I encourage all my fellow conservative and libertarian friends on this board to do the same.

    Why?

    I'm convinced John McCain will do more harm than good to the Republican Party and, by extension, to those who truly believe in laissez faire freedom. Ultimately, a McCain presidency will irrevocably damage this nation.

    As McCain has demonstrated over the past week or so, he's an economic buffoon. A short example will suffice: Here is a man who suspended his campaign to return to Washington to act on the financial bailout bill. When he got to Washington, he sat on his hands and said nothing of importance. (Other than to suggest that the federal government had the authority even without the bailout bill to spend $1-trillion buying up private mortgages. He advocated this nonsense in addition to, eventually, cheerleading the bailout bill.)

    McCain then left Washington and the bailout bill hanging to participate in the Presidential debate in which he spent 75% of his time lecturing the nation on the evils of pork barrell "earmarks." He said with all sincerity he would, as President, veto the first bill laden with earmarks to cross his desk.

    So what does he do? He patters back to Washington after the debate and votes for the bailout bill -- a bill so laden in special interest pork it virtually squeals!

    McCain's positions on immigration, finance reform, abortion and big government (he likes it, despite what he says), already had me squirming. His only saving grace is his position on national defense and the war in Iraq. Sorry, it's not enough.

    I understand Barack Obama is an economic illiterate himself, economically a bigger moron than McCain, if that's possible. His prescriptions will kill the patient. His vision for the country is the opposite of prosperity: European socialism. However, the country is headed there anyway. I'd rather Obama get the credit for leading us there than a buffoon in free market clothing.

    With regard to Iraq, I'm hoping Obama has sufficiently lied and backpeddled his way out of his defeatist initial positions so that public opinion will force him to see Iraq through. If he follows through in Afghanistan and Pakistan as promised, he will have no choice other than to build up the military. Besides, as history has shown, Democratic administrations that come into power after promising peace are usually closet warmongers. Unlike smarmy Republicans, they don't hesitate to bring out the big guns and use them mercilessly. (Maybe it's the uniforms that finally get them. Or the power. The military equals power and Democrats, God knows, are power-trippers.)

    I also understand that, as President, Barack Obama and his Democratic spinmeisters will claim that everything that will go wrong with the country in the next four to eight years will not be the result of Obama's wrong-headed social programs and his military adventurism but the result of previous Republican malfeasance. Obama and friends will claim -- as Democrats have always claimed -- that Republicans had dug the country into such a deep and bottomless pit that it will take us many years (and scads of Democrat social programs and trillions of taxpayer dollars) to dig ourselves out.

    So be it.

    I hang my hat on a single hook: Individual Americans are not altogether stupid. They will eventually see through the Democrat fog and return the country to real fiscal and social sanity soon after the Obama experiment ends.

    Of course, there is this much worse possibility: Obama and friends will drive the country into literal financial, political and social ruin, at which time free patriots will once again have to take their country back by force. We'll have to fight the Revolutionary War all over again.

    But it would be a good fight, one I could put my heart and soul into, a fight far different and more satisfying than this worthless political campaign we are being asked to fight now, lead by a mousy paper warrior named John McCain.
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

  • #2
    welcome aboard...but I'm voting libertarian hoping the republicans get the full message instead of thinking obama beat them I want them to understand that they simply lost.
    The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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    • #3
      Good for you both. Enjoy House, Senate and White House controlled by Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If there is still open political talk on the internet in 2012, we can discuss the next Republican you're voting against because he/she isn't perfect.
      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mraynrand
        Good for you both. Enjoy House, Senate and White House controlled by Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If there is still open political talk on the internet in 2012, we can discuss the next Republican you're voting against because he/she isn't perfect.
        That is a recipe for a newt gingrich engineered takeover of house and senate in 2010. It worked last time. Then he runs for president in 2012 and reinstates the internet with algores help.
        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bobblehead
          Originally posted by mraynrand
          Good for you both. Enjoy House, Senate and White House controlled by Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If there is still open political talk on the internet in 2012, we can discuss the next Republican you're voting against because he/she isn't perfect.
          That is a recipe for a newt gingrich engineered takeover of house and senate in 2010. It worked last time. Then he runs for president in 2012 and reinstates the internet with algores help.
          Sure he does. Newt will sail through the media grinder, even without conservative talk radio and restrictions on the internet. Right. The guy who was fucking his girlfriend while his wife was dying, and shut down Congress and allowed thousands of starving children in America die. Get the picture?
          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bobblehead
            welcome aboard...but I'm voting libertarian hoping the republicans get the full message instead of thinking obama beat them I want them to understand that they simply lost.
            Works for me. Go Bob Barr.
            One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
            John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mraynrand
              Originally posted by bobblehead
              Originally posted by mraynrand
              Good for you both. Enjoy House, Senate and White House controlled by Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If there is still open political talk on the internet in 2012, we can discuss the next Republican you're voting against because he/she isn't perfect.
              That is a recipe for a newt gingrich engineered takeover of house and senate in 2010. It worked last time. Then he runs for president in 2012 and reinstates the internet with algores help.
              Sure he does. Newt will sail through the media grinder, even without conservative talk radio and restrictions on the internet. Right. The guy who was fucking his girlfriend while his wife was dying, and shut down Congress and allowed thousands of starving children in America die. Get the picture?
              I get the picture...I also believe if newt had run he would be up by 10 points. One thing I agree with ty about, there is too much info out there nowdays and if Gingrich is speaking people will listen. Bill had his jizz on a blue dress and won re-election because he was forced to adopt gingrich ideology. If you say and do the things that are right for america you will win...hands down. Only PiP and a few others would vote against a motivated well funded gingrich despite his human failings. See...at the end of the day real conservatives with real values win national elections every time.

              gingrich is our last tie to a balanced budget (not a surplus) and that will win in a landslide.
              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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              • #8
                I'm not all that crazy about McCain, but there is no way on God's green earth I could get myself to vote for Obama. Just do not understand how anyone could make the switch.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mraynrand
                  Good for you both. Enjoy House, Senate and White House controlled by Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If there is still open political talk on the internet in 2012, we can discuss the next Republican you're voting against because he/she isn't perfect.
                  McCain "isn't perfect?"

                  Come on, Mrayn. McCain is about as far away from "perfect" as Britney Spears is from Nancy Wilson.

                  I stand by my post except I'll vote for Barr. Like LL2, I doubt I could actually pull the lever for the Mother-Of-All-Promisers.

                  (Of course, if McCain kicks the bucket before the election, I'll vote Palin. )
                  One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                  John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bobblehead
                    Originally posted by mraynrand
                    Originally posted by bobblehead
                    Originally posted by mraynrand
                    Good for you both. Enjoy House, Senate and White House controlled by Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If there is still open political talk on the internet in 2012, we can discuss the next Republican you're voting against because he/she isn't perfect.
                    That is a recipe for a newt gingrich engineered takeover of house and senate in 2010. It worked last time. Then he runs for president in 2012 and reinstates the internet with algores help.
                    Sure he does. Newt will sail through the media grinder, even without conservative talk radio and restrictions on the internet. Right. The guy who was fucking his girlfriend while his wife was dying, and shut down Congress and allowed thousands of starving children in America die. Get the picture?
                    I get the picture...I also believe if newt had run he would be up by 10 points. One thing I agree with ty about, there is too much info out there nowdays and if Gingrich is speaking people will listen. Bill had his jizz on a blue dress and won re-election because he was forced to adopt gingrich ideology. If you say and do the things that are right for america you will win...hands down. Only PiP and a few others would vote against a motivated well funded gingrich despite his human failings. See...at the end of the day real conservatives with real values win national elections every time.

                    gingrich is our last tie to a balanced budget (not a surplus) and that will win in a landslide.
                    Were you involved in the primary process? Did you work for Gingrich last year to get him to run. The guy had a golden opportunity this past year to run in the primary, but he couldn't get more than luke warm numbers, even when people were souring on the other candidates, like Romney and Giuliani. Why do you think that is? Why didn't he leap in - in the year where his chances would have been the best - with a Republican base looking for a strong conservative. This was his year, but he bailed out. Speaking of bailouts, Gingrich was against the bailout before being for it, despite the most of the modification not addressing the problems he talked about last week. He made sense but now is on board. Why is that?
                    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                      Originally posted by mraynrand
                      Good for you both. Enjoy House, Senate and White House controlled by Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If there is still open political talk on the internet in 2012, we can discuss the next Republican you're voting against because he/she isn't perfect.
                      McCain "isn't perfect?"

                      Come on, Mrayn. McCain is about as far away from "perfect" as Britney Spears is from Nancy Wilson.

                      I stand by my post except I'll vote for Barr. Like LL2, I doubt I could actually pull the lever for the Mother-Of-All-Promisers.

                      (Of course, if McCain kicks the bucket before the election, I'll vote Palin. )
                      Well, that made a hell of a lot of sense. I know the problems with McCain. He wasn't my first choice or second choice either. But there is no fucking way in hell I'm going to help elect a second generation campus radical who will give free reign to Pelosi and Reid. Work for 2010, and work in the 2012 primary to get the guy you want, but for shit's sake, how can you actually favor putting Obama in unchecked. boggles the mind.
                      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                        Originally posted by mraynrand
                        Good for you both. Enjoy House, Senate and White House controlled by Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. If there is still open political talk on the internet in 2012, we can discuss the next Republican you're voting against because he/she isn't perfect.
                        McCain "isn't perfect?"

                        Come on, Mrayn. McCain is about as far away from "perfect" as Britney Spears is from Nancy Wilson.

                        I stand by my post except I'll vote for Barr. Like LL2, I doubt I could actually pull the lever for the Mother-Of-All-Promisers.

                        (Of course, if McCain kicks the bucket before the election, I'll vote Palin. )
                        You see, this is the very reason I'm voting for McCain and it's the reason others should too. Palin doesn't have all the experience in the world right now, (Warning to PIP...don't read the following statement) but after 4 yrs as VP she will have all the experience she needs to run for president. I'm hoping McCain will be a 1 term president and not bother to run for a second term.

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                        • #13
                          It's OK guys......keep taking your shots......whatever makes you feel good.

                          Today in the mail I recieved the 3rd letter from the Republican party urging me, as my daughter's legal guardian, to register her to vote.
                          I've also gotten two phone calls.
                          Someone, please tell me, why? My daughter can not read, she doesn't really know who is running for Pres. , much less who is Pres. I guess I could register her, take her to vote........and she'd vote how ever I wanted her to.
                          Somehow, this doesn't ring right.
                          For whatever reason, I have not been contacted by the Democratic party....or any other independent, third party.
                          I wonder how many other folks are being contacted, by either party, to have people vote, who are not really capable.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by packinpatland
                            It's OK guys......keep taking your shots......whatever makes you feel good.

                            Today in the mail I recieved the 3rd letter from the Republican party urging me, as my daughter's legal guardian, to register her to vote.
                            I've also gotten two phone calls.
                            Someone, please tell me, why? My daughter can not read, she doesn't really know who is running for Pres. , much less who is Pres. I guess I could register her, take her to vote........and she'd vote how ever I wanted her to.
                            Somehow, this doesn't ring right.
                            For whatever reason, I have not been contacted by the Democratic party....or any other independent, third party.
                            I wonder how many other folks are being contacted, by either party, to have people vote, who are not really capable.
                            I bet ACORN has contacted Mary Poppins and Jive Turkey to make sure they update their registration. Don't worry PIP, the dems are too busy signing up felons to be interested in your daughter.
                            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                            • #15
                              Well, that made a hell of a lot of sense. I know the problems with McCain. He wasn't my first choice or second choice either. But there is no fucking way in hell I'm going to help elect a second generation campus radical who will give free reign to Pelosi and Reid. Work for 2010, and work in the 2012 primary to get the guy you want, but for shit's sake, how can you actually favor putting Obama in unchecked. boggles the mind.
                              I disagree with your premises:

                              First, I am not a Republican who dutifully votes for the Republican candidate however unqualified, however imperfect, however unsatisfactory, however third rate.

                              Second, my vote for Obama would "help elect" him. This I admit. But my vote for Barr does not help elect Obama.

                              Third, a Republican President will not necessarily check Pelosi and Reid. This should be evident given that we have a Republican President now and Pelosi and Reid remain unchecked. In fact, President Bush is enabling Pelosi and Reid. McCain has promised to do the same. Not a month ago, he praised them!

                              Fourth, Pelosi and Reid will be checked by votes against Democrats running for House and Senate seats locally. This I plan to do.

                              Fifth, working in the primaries for the candidate of your choice didn't do you any good in 2008. Why would it help me in 2010 or 2012? McCain is the joke that is being played on the Republican Party, not Obama. Why don't you join me in abandoning the Republican Party and voting for Barr, a candidate who, I assume, shares the majority of your beliefs and positions?
                              One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                              John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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