I'm Voting For Barack Obama

[bobblehead]

Well, Maxie and Bobblehead, you guys have officially gone off the deep end. Fortunately, I don't think there are very many like ya'all.

BTW, I never did get an answer to my question. What is Bob Barr's position on the bail out of Wall Street? Don't worry, even if he's against it, I'm not switching to him.

He is against it, now go vote for mr. amnesty.

[bobblehead]

Well, that made a hell of a lot of sense. I know the problems with McCain. He wasn't my first choice or second choice either. But there is no fucking way in hell I'm going to help elect a second generation campus radical who will give free reign to Pelosi and Reid. Work for 2010, and work in the 2012 primary to get the guy you want, but for shit's sake, how can you actually favor putting Obama in unchecked. boggles the mind.

I disagree with your premises:

First, I am not a Republican who dutifully votes for the Republican candidate however unqualified, however imperfect, however unsatisfactory, however third rate.

Second, my vote for Obama would "help elect" him. This I admit. But my vote for Barr does not help elect Obama.

Third, a Republican President will not necessarily check Pelosi and Reid. This should be evident given that we have a Republican President now and Pelosi and Reid remain unchecked. In fact, President Bush is enabling Pelosi and Reid. McCain has promised to do the same. Not a month ago, he praised them!

Fourth, Pelosi and Reid will be checked by votes against Democrats running for House and Senate seats locally. This I plan to do.

Fifth, working in the primaries for the candidate of your choice didn't do you any good in 2008. Why would it help me in 2010 or 2012? McCain is the joke that is being played on the Republican Party, not Obama. Why don't you join me in abandoning the Republican Party and voting for Barr, a candidate who, I assume, shares the majority of your beliefs and positions?

I disagree with all your points.

First (and Second), I am also not a dutiful Republican. The election though, is between Obama and McCain. Barr will get 1% or less and it will be taken from McCain. So a vote for Barr is a vote for Obama

Third/Fourth, Obama will hardly check Pelosi and Reid. Anyone who has been following the election knows that Repubs are going to lose seats in both houses. There is no chance to counter Reid and Pelosi for control except in the presidency and in the Senate cloture vote, assuming 40 Repubs remain. Sure some bargaining will still take place, but the whole Govt. will be dominated by Dems. Do you see that as a positive?

Fifth, Barr has no chance. Zero. Third parties are a joke. Even the most popular third party candidate of our time got 19% and really affected nothing except to help Clinton get elected. That turned out well, didn't it. Furthermore, a guy like Barr will never get elected in this environment. he's too extreme for the average joe. If he has such great ideas, he should take them to the Repub party and push for his ideas and change the party. it can be done - but it wono't get done believing in the fantasy that electing Obama will return the nation to the right. And even if it did, the probable damage caused by Reid Pelosi and Obama working together might take forever to undo.

See, I disagree...Clinton instead of Bush worked out fine....once he showed his true colors republicans (led by gingrich) took control of the house and senate for the first time in 40 years. Judy Woodruff actually cried on air "the country threw a tantrum tonight" Ah the good old days. And your assuming I think mccain would be a better president than obama....they would both suck, but one would lead the nation back to real conservative policy. (hint...its not mccain)

[mraynrand]

Uh...he had 20 million pledged within 8 DAYS of announcing it. He dropped it becauase mccain's lawyers started threatening to dismantle human events saying his leadership of that group would violate mccain/feingold. They intended to use the courts to keep him from being able to get on the ballots...sound familiar...yea, that is the guy I want to vote for.

I hadn't heard this. Source? If so, couldn't someone else take over as head of Human Events? Why did Newt bail?

[mraynrand]

See, I disagree...Clinton instead of Bush worked out fine....once he showed his true colors republicans (led by gingrich) took control of the house and senate for the first time in 40 years. Judy Woodruff actually cried on air "the country threw a tantrum tonight" Ah the good old days. And your assuming I think mccain would be a better president than obama....they would both suck, but one would lead the nation back to real conservative policy. (hint...its not mccain)

I don't agree. how many new lefty judges did Clinton get installed in the various districts? How many vacancies are there now that Dems have blocked, which Obama will fill? How many attornies did Bubba replace. What happened to the military, etc. But, I think we'll get to see if you are right. Still, it didn't take long to corrupt a lot of the 'Contract with America' crowd...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

BTW, just to extend the metaphor...Tex is Slobodan Milošević.

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Tyrone, If I was Milosevic, you would have been ethnically cleansed by now--instead of the filthy bastard you are.

Don't worry Tex, when Obama is elected i promise to be lenient on your warm crimes.

You will enjoy your golden years in the re-education camp.

[Scott Campbell]

....... i promise to be lenient on your warm crimes.

Uhhhh..........what the fuck are "warm crimes"?



Shall I google latinamericanstudies.org?

[bobblehead]

Uh...he had 20 million pledged within 8 DAYS of announcing it. He dropped it becauase mccain's lawyers started threatening to dismantle human events saying his leadership of that group would violate mccain/feingold. They intended to use the courts to keep him from being able to get on the ballots...sound familiar...yea, that is the guy I want to vote for.

I hadn't heard this. Source? If so, couldn't someone else take over as head of Human Events? Why did Newt bail?

My only source is when he changed his mind shortly after I got an email from him (as I pledged money) explaining that if he ran it would cripple human events and he thought trying to change the culture of 500,000+ elected officials in the USA is more important than one guy being president. I then did some more research and found the stuff about mccain being behind the threatened lawsuits to shut down human events as unconstitutional under mccain fiengold if its leader ran for president. There was more about keeping him off the ballot with this same logic. If I recall correctly the email also stated he had over 22 million pledged.

[mraynrand]

....... i promise to be lenient on your warm crimes.

Uhhhh..........what the fuck are "warm crimes"?

Carbon Dioxide emissions. Or farting.

[Cheesehead Craig]

....... i promise to be lenient on your warm crimes.

Uhhhh..........what the fuck are "warm crimes"?

Carbon Dioxide emissions. Or farting.

Tex isn't that guy who had sex with the dead deer in the woods is he?