A hidden valley in Colorado

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

Choosing not to enter the field? Really? Another mistatement on your part. Med school apps are up.

I've known just short of a dozen med school applicants. I don't know any doctors. Turns out applying to med school doesn't make you a doctor. Sucks for them. And for your argument.

Of course they aren't docs...smart people who get into med school don't hang around with your type.

The point, which you can't deny is that med schools are hardly crying about filling open spots. There are no shortage of applicants and no shortage of good applicants to fill the school.

The flaw in your logic is that the good candidates may be leaving to go elsewhere perhaps, and the candidates applying are not as strong. Most medical schools are far easier to get in then PA programs (other than the very elite ones), and many good doctor candidates are becoming PAs because you get to actually help people and do what a doctor does essentially without the overhead of actually running the business.

That's a very cocky statement to make about Skin. He is not classy enough to roll with people who apply to medical school? I'd love to meet you and punch you in the face for being such a pompous douche.

1. Good candidates...right. Please show some proof of that. Otherwise it is just more of your bullshit.

2. Med schools easier. Right. PA programs may have more applicants..again some proof please.

3. People choosing PA over doctor. Right. Sure they are. This is ludicrous. To compare the roll and salary of a PA to a physician is hilarious.

4. Skin. Man, you can't even follow along. I never said he wasn't classy enough to roll with applicants...clearly he is...as he stated he knew many. Try and follow along...the folks he knows may be classy, but not smart enough or have the grades.

5. Punch me. LOL. Wow. you are showing your class. And, i would be glad to let you punch me...as there would be nothing more hilarious than watching you go jail on an assualt and battery charge. I'm sure your future employers will love that when they run a background check and discover you are a new felon. Good times.

Not to mention the time, money and aggravation it will cost you since it is also a tort, which means I can sue you for damages.

1) I'm disputing your claim which you provided zero sources?

2) There are a lot more doctors than PAs. Also, a lot more medical programs than PA programs. Look it up. I have very good knowledge of the subject as my girlfriend is in a top 15 PA program and also applied and was accepted to many medical schools. Maybe for the very top level of medical schools yes, but for most... no way is it even comparable. You don't need very good grades at all to get into medical school. Good luck getting into a PA program without first rate grades.

3) That's funny because all of the ladies' friends all chose to be PAs over doctors. Clearly doctors appreciate them or the job wouldn't exist. Also, would it be money magazines #1 field to go into if it weren't popular and important? Sure, salary isn't as high because the doctor is always the boss. Go to a hospital and see what kind of income the docs make.. Not as much as you'd think. Private practice is where the $ is. Again though, since they essentially are a doctor (they can write perscriptions, etc, most people go to see a PA for checkups, PAs can do a large amount of surgeries, etc), I don't really think your statement holds any water. The role is very, very similiar except the PAs actually take care of the patients. No one compared the salary except yourself...

4. You said smart doctors don't roll with his type. Are you calling him dumb? How many doctors do you roll with? Please son... Just because both of your parents were doctors doesn't mean you're smart enough to be one or you would be. Your shit stinks as much as anybodies.

5. Ok big guy. That's really manly of you. I bet back in whitefish bay when you were clocked in the dome during high school you went and cried to your doc folks as well.

You have lost. Face it.

1. Zero sources. Wrong. I provided 3 right away. It isn't my fault that you jump in midway. That is pretty typical of you.

So, that is point one that you are wrong.

2. med vs. pa programs. Who was arguing the #. As for Money magazine...that isn't what you are saying. They choose by need, etc. No one is disputing the need for PAs or nurses..or doctors.

You dont' need good grades to get into med school. Right. Then, maybe you should explain to Skin's friends that couldn't get in that they must be complete losers.

That is just so ludicrous that it makes you even appear more stupid..which i thought wasn't possible.

PA programs..like which ones. Grad or just the ones that require 2 years of schooling. LOL

There are currently about 140 plus med schools...and, about 90 PA programs offering masters level.

Salary: Dude. Don't make me laugh. The worst doctors make at least 50% more than a PA..taking out ambulatory from the equation. Most PAs top out in the 90s. Most doctors aren't in the low paying fields like internal medicine or pediatrics.which max out over 200K. The lowest average max out is ambulatory at 150K.

You really shouldn't talk about things you know very little. I can list 50 physicians that i know personally..from ages 35-70.

Role: No one goes to see a PA for primary care. They go to a doctor who has a PA on staff. No PA can work on their own. The role is similar to a hygenist and dentist.

Surgey: LOL. No pa can perform surgery. They assist in surgery and they do pre and post op care.

Scripts: LOL No pa can write a prescription.

You just have proven how little you know about the field.

3: Ladies? What does that prove or mean. Women choose careers for many reasons. However, there are equal amounts of women in med school now. And, who knows why some would choose PA or Nurse instead..if grades arent' the issue. Perhaps they like the less school and less hours so they can be home with their family.

4. Skin. Wow, now you get the joke. More importantly...why are you defending him? Is he incapable of doing it for himself?

5. Docs...as noted...prolly at least 50 that i can immediately count. From plastic surgeons, radiologists, shrinks, urologists, etc. Pretty much the gamut.

6. Smart enough. You would be wrong. My test scores prove otherwise. As would recs from those docs who know me. More importantly, i never had any interest in the field..nor did my parents ever want their children to enter that field.

7. Manly. Well, that just shows your maturity level and your concepts of manhood.

P.S. I didn't grow up in Whitefolks Bay. Second, i didn't get into fights. I was too smart and centered to get into fights. My god, only idiots are fighting in high school. And, those that are in college that are doing so..or thinking about it...morons.

[hoosier]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

For the first part of what you're saying, you'll need to give a bit more evidence to convince me that "multibillionaire drain" is becoming a real problem before I can take your questions seriously. Logically what you're proposing--that the richest of the rich are fed up with paying taxes and are going to take their marbles and go home (but where?)--just doesn't make sense. There might be individual cases fo such behavior, but a broader social movement in that direction just isn't plausible. So show me something tangible that proves your not just cooking up a right-wing boogeyman to scare the public into demanding that the IRS be shut down.

Tangible? So you expect the rich to form some sort of coalition and call a press conference to announce they're leaving? When people get fed up, the won't say shit. They'll just take their money and leave.

Ok. Right after they finish their three-semester crash course in Spanish or Croatian. Have fun with that.

Costa Rica baby.

Buen viaje entonces. Hasta nunca, vendepatria.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

They keep talking about leaving....stop teasing us. Just go.

[Partial]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

CAPS....

Choosing not to enter the field? Really? Another mistatement on your part. Med school apps are up.

I've known just short of a dozen med school applicants. I don't know any doctors. Turns out applying to med school doesn't make you a doctor. Sucks for them. And for your argument.

Of course they aren't docs...smart people who get into med school don't hang around with your type.

The point, which you can't deny is that med schools are hardly crying about filling open spots. There are no shortage of applicants and no shortage of good applicants to fill the school.

The flaw in your logic is that the good candidates may be leaving to go elsewhere perhaps, and the candidates applying are not as strong. Most medical schools are far easier to get in then PA programs (other than the very elite ones), and many good doctor candidates are becoming PAs because you get to actually help people and do what a doctor does essentially without the overhead of actually running the business.

That's a very cocky statement to make about Skin. He is not classy enough to roll with people who apply to medical school? I'd love to meet you and punch you in the face for being such a pompous douche.

1. Good candidates...right. Please show some proof of that. Otherwise it is just more of your bullshit.

2. Med schools easier. Right. PA programs may have more applicants..again some proof please.

3. People choosing PA over doctor. Right. Sure they are. This is ludicrous. To compare the roll and salary of a PA to a physician is hilarious.

4. Skin. Man, you can't even follow along. I never said he wasn't classy enough to roll with applicants...clearly he is...as he stated he knew many. Try and follow along...the folks he knows may be classy, but not smart enough or have the grades.

5. Punch me. LOL. Wow. you are showing your class. And, i would be glad to let you punch me...as there would be nothing more hilarious than watching you go jail on an assualt and battery charge. I'm sure your future employers will love that when they run a background check and discover you are a new felon. Good times.

Not to mention the time, money and aggravation it will cost you since it is also a tort, which means I can sue you for damages.

1) I'm disputing your claim which you provided zero sources?

2) There are a lot more doctors than PAs. Also, a lot more medical programs than PA programs. Look it up. I have very good knowledge of the subject as my girlfriend is in a top 15 PA program and also applied and was accepted to many medical schools. Maybe for the very top level of medical schools yes, but for most... no way is it even comparable. You don't need very good grades at all to get into medical school. Good luck getting into a PA program without first rate grades.

3) That's funny because all of the ladies' friends all chose to be PAs over doctors. Clearly doctors appreciate them or the job wouldn't exist. Also, would it be money magazines #1 field to go into if it weren't popular and important? Sure, salary isn't as high because the doctor is always the boss. Go to a hospital and see what kind of income the docs make.. Not as much as you'd think. Private practice is where the $ is. Again though, since they essentially are a doctor (they can write perscriptions, etc, most people go to see a PA for checkups, PAs can do a large amount of surgeries, etc), I don't really think your statement holds any water. The role is very, very similiar except the PAs actually take care of the patients. No one compared the salary except yourself...

4. You said smart doctors don't roll with his type. Are you calling him dumb? How many doctors do you roll with? Please son... Just because both of your parents were doctors doesn't mean you're smart enough to be one or you would be. Your shit stinks as much as anybodies.

5. Ok big guy. That's really manly of you. I bet back in whitefish bay when you were clocked in the dome during high school you went and cried to your doc folks as well.

You have lost. Face it.

1. Zero sources. Wrong. I provided 3 right away. It isn't my fault that you jump in midway. That is pretty typical of you.

So, that is point one that you are wrong.

2. med vs. pa programs. Who was arguing the #. As for Money magazine...that isn't what you are saying. They choose by need, etc. No one is disputing the need for PAs or nurses..or doctors.

RIGHT. I'M SAYING PLENTY OF QUALIFIED PEOPLE WITH BRAINS CHOOSE BEING A PA OVER A DOCTOR BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH HELPING PEOPLE THAN MAKING THE BIG BUCKS. MY GF IS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.

You dont' need good grades to get into med school. Right. Then, maybe you should explain to Skin's friends that couldn't get in that they must be complete losers.

MAYBE THE FLUNKED OUT OR CHANGED THEIR MINDS? I HAVE NO IDEA. FACTS ARE FACTS. THERE ARE FAR MORE MEDICAL PROGRAMS THAN PA PROGRAMS, SO BY VIRTUE OF LIMITED SPOTS, IT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO GET INTO A SCHOOL. TO GET INTO A REALLY HIGH END TOP 15 MEDICAL SCHOOL IS PROBABLY HARDER, THOUGH.


That is just so ludicrous that it makes you even appear more stupid..which i thought wasn't possible.

REALLY? DO THE HOMEWORK... HAVE YOU APPLIED TO ANY MEDICAL SCHOOLS LATELY? HOW ABOUT PA SCHOOLS? I'VE GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS WITH MY GIRLFRIEND. TYPICAL LIBERAL SPEAKING OF WICH HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE.

PA programs..like which ones. Grad or just the ones that require 2 years of schooling. LOL

UHHH... OTHER THAN MADISON WHAT PA PROGRAMS DON'T GIVE YOU A MASTERS? PA IS AN UNDERGRAD IN TYPICALLY BIOLOGY/CHEM/PREMED THAN TWO YEARS OF THE SAME CLASSES DOCTORS TAKE.

FUNNY STORY ACTUALLY. AT ROSALIND FRANKLIN, A TOP 20 MEDICAL AND PA SCHOOL IN GENERAL MEDICINE, THE MEDICAL STUDENTS ARE ALL COCKY DOUCHES. IRONICALLY, THE TOP 10% ON THE LAST EXAM WAS ALL PA STUDENTS. THE TEACHER, A PA, POINTED IT OUT BECAUSE THE MEDICAL STUDENTS ARE DOUCHES.


There are currently about 140 plus med schools...and, about 90 PA programs offering masters level.



Salary: Dude. Don't make me laugh. The worst doctors make at least 50% more than a PA..taking out ambulatory from the equation. Most PAs top out in the 90s. Most doctors aren't in the low paying fields like internal medicine or pediatrics.which max out over 200K. The lowest average max out is ambulatory at 150K.

NO SHIT. WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SALARY? ONLY YOU. I SAID ITS NOT COMPARABLE. I ALSO SAID A DOCTOR IN A HOSPITAL ISN'T EARNING AS MUCH AS YOU THINK. AND THE 200K IN AVERAGE DEBT AT 8% (TODAY, WAIT UNTIL ITS 15% 5 YEARS FROM NOW WITH THE WAY CREDIT IS) COMPOUNDS AWFULLY QUICKLY.

BTW, PAS DON'T HAVE MALPRACTICE INSURANCE EITHER. THEY'RE COVERED BY THEIR DOCTORS. THAT IS A GOOD CHUNK OF THE DOCTORS EARNINGS AS WELL.

GOOD PA'S START AT 90S DEPENDING WHAT THEY'RE IN AND WHERE THEY WENT TO SCHOOL, HOW OLD THEY ARE, ETC. MY GIRLFRIEND HAS TALKED WITH CONSOLERS AND MY STEP MOM IS AN ADMIN AT A MILWAUKEE HOSPITAL, AND THEY BOTH AGREE SHE CAN GET ABOUT 80 IN GENERAL MEDICINE STARTING. SHE WANTS TO DO SURGERY, WHERE SHE CAN GET 150K WITH EXPERIENCE. PRIVATE PRACTICE PAS THAT SPECIALIZE IN SOMETHING CAN EASILY BILL OUT 75-100 BUCKS AN HOUR. DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON TRAVELING PAS AND THE 300 THEY CAN BILL AN HOUR.

You really shouldn't talk about things you know very little. I can list 50 physicians that i know personally..from ages 35-70.

WELL, THATS GOOD, BUT YOU JUST SERVED ABOVE.

Role: No one goes to see a PA for primary care. They go to a doctor who has a PA on staff. No PA can work on their own. The role is similar to a hygenist and dentist.

ITS NOT AT ALL SIMILIAR TO A HYGENIST. YOU'RE SUCH A DUMBASS IF YOU THINK THATS TRUE. GO TO ANY AURURA FACILITY WITH A COLD... YOU'RE SEEING A PA. GO TO A DERMATOLOGIST IN MILWAUKEE... YOU'RE SEEING A PA. GO TO A PODIATRIST... YOU'RE SEEING A PA. SHUT THE FUCK UP MAN, THAT IS BEYOND RETARDED.

Surgey: LOL. No pa can perform surgery. They assist in surgery and they do pre and post op care.

SURGICAL ASSISTANTS ARE COMPLETELY TRAINED TO COMPLETE SURGERIES. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? PA != NURSE. PA IS A STRIPPED DOWN DOCTOR.

Scripts: LOL No pa can write a prescription.

THATS FUNNY. ITS MY UNDERSTANDING PA'S IN SOME STATES AND FIELDS CAN WRITE ALL OF THEIR PERSCRIPTIONS, AND MUST A VERY SMALL FRACTION OF THEM SIGNED OFF BY A DOCTOR AT THE END OF A PERIOD OF TIME (LIKE A MONTH)

DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR ARE YOU JUST MAKING THIS UP?!?! IT'S A LOAD OF BULL... EVERY PA WITH A MASTERS DEGREE CAN WRITE PERSCRIPTIONS AS FAR AS I KNOW. THERE MAY BE SOME RARE EXCEPTIONS, BUT THAT IS NOT USUALLY THE CASE.

You just have proven how little you know about the field.

SEE ABOVE. YOU'RE SO WRONG ITS LAUGHABLE BROHAM.

3: Ladies? What does that prove or mean. Women choose careers for many reasons. However, there are equal amounts of women in med school now. And, who knows why some would choose PA or Nurse instead..if grades arent' the issue. Perhaps they like the less school and less hours so they can be home with their family.

I WAS REFERENCING ALL OF MY GIRLFRIENDS FRIENDS AT RFUMS. MANY ARE MEN AS WELL. PA IS A VERY POPULAR CHOICE NOW. VERY HIGH IN DEMAND..



4. Skin. Wow, now you get the joke. More importantly...why are you defending him? Is he incapable of doing it for himself?




5. Docs...as noted...prolly at least 50 that i can immediately count. From plastic surgeons, radiologists, shrinks, urologists, etc. Pretty much the gamut.


THATS GOOD. I KNOW ABOUT 20 PEOPLE WHO WILL BE PAS NEXT YEAR, SO I FEEL QUITE QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT.

6. Smart enough. You would be wrong. My test scores prove otherwise. As would recs from those docs who know me. More importantly, i never had any interest in the field..nor did my parents ever want their children to enter that field.

7. Manly. Well, that just shows your maturity level and your concepts of manhood.

P.S. I didn't grow up in Whitefolks Bay. Second, i didn't get into fights. I was too smart and centered to get into fights. My god, only idiots are fighting in high school. And, those that are in college that are doing so..or thinking about it...morons.

TY, TY, TY... IF YOU ACTED HALF AS COCKY IN REAL LIFE AS YOU DO ON THESE BOARDS, YOU'D GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE DAILY. FACTS ARE FACTS DUDE.

[Scott Campbell]

They keep talking about leaving....stop teasing us. Just go.

Like she did?

[bobblehead]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

The Doctors (who are needed for any healthcare) have bank accounts. Maybe they don’t think it’s worth it anymore (high insurance costs, long hours, etc) in a new Universal Model……..maybe they head for the hills too. Then what?

Doctors are already fleeing - across the nation, hospitals are recruiting docs from overseas.

Please supply some evidence that doctors are fleeing the country or leaving the profession. That is categorically not true.

Doctors are leaving certain areas of the profession, they are leaving certain states (reimbursements aren't the same in every state), but they are most certainly not leaving the country...and we need overseas doctors to replace those leaving.

More to the point..if they want to leave...let them. That is the nature of capitalism. I would be more than happy to have qualified doctors that will work for less. And, i will be more than happy to go to foreign countries and receive better care for less.

No they are not leaving the country - at least not is droves. They are leaving (fleeing) the profession (early retirement) or choosing not to enter. Specifically in certain disciplines. And in many of these disciplines, foreigners are being recruited, often resulting in reduction in quality of services. And, if you're happy to go to foreign countries for medical care, all I can say is, the sooner the better. Cuba is waiting for your return.

So, now you are basing your argument on early retirement? LOL

Choosing not to enter the field? Really? Another mistatement on your part. Med school apps are up.

And, specific fields. That has always been the case. That isn't news. Wow, what a surprise that a growing number of docs don't want to be internists. Wow, what a surprise that a docs dont' gravitate to ob/gyn in small rural towns. Shocking!

Reduction in quality: Again, some stats. This is more bs on your part. And, quality of care in certain countries like Thailand is better than here for surgery. A much better patient to nurse ratio.

Overseas: Proving once again your complete lack of knowledge on this subject.

https://www.healthcareitnews.com/story.cms?id=9175

http://managedhealthcareexecutive.modernmedicine.com/mhe/Visionaries/Overseas-options-Jonathan-Edelheit-helps-prepare-U/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/489465?contextCategoryId=1045

https://www.ihf-fih.org/pdf/28-30%20...%20tourism.pdf

I'm not going to waste much time blogging while I sit here in thailand, but I am going to make this post.....there is exaxtly ONE hospital here that I would consider going to for treatment. I enjoy myself here, but using it as a model or example in any arguement automatically diminishes the entire arguement in my eyes.

As far as money and talent fleeing the country goes....ask yourself what I might be doing here besides vacationing.

[bobblehead]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

the story about the rich taking their marbles and going home (whether this means moving to Costa Rica or just pulling out of the market) is another such example. If you can provide real evidence that these are in fact significant trends or real possibilties, I will rethink my position. Until then I can only see these scenarios as bogeymen.

I can...but I'll just settle for pointing out that the manufacturing jobs (read marbles) have already been taken overseas.

[SkinBasket]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

As far as money and talent fleeing the country goes....ask yourself what I might be doing here besides vacationing.

PatPong?

[MJZiggy]

I'm just still pissed I don't get to go to Costa Rica.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm just still pissed I don't get to go to Costa Rica.

I'd take ya, but 9's a crowd.

[hoosier]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

I'm not going to waste much time blogging while I sit here in thailand, but I am going to make this post.....there is exaxtly ONE hospital here that I would consider going to for treatment. I enjoy myself here, but using it as a model or example in any arguement automatically diminishes the entire arguement in my eyes.

As far as money and talent fleeing the country goes....ask yourself what I might be doing here besides vacationing.

I take it Thailand doesn't figure among the places you'd move to if you decide you're fed up with tax rates in the US?

[Scott Campbell]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

Wouldn't that be nice. All the economic underachievers would finally get a fair chance to show the world what they really got.

[HowardRoark]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

Look, if an operation costs 50K here, and 25K there.....

Why the price disparity?

And as a follow up, you seem to be a very eager proponent of free markets in medicine….go to Thailand!!! It’s cheaper!!! Why do we hear over and over nowadays that going AWAY from free markets is the answer?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

They keep talking about leaving....stop teasing us. Just go.

Like she did?

Yes.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: A hidden valley in Colorado

CAPS....

Choosing not to enter the field? Really? Another mistatement on your part. Med school apps are up.

I've known just short of a dozen med school applicants. I don't know any doctors. Turns out applying to med school doesn't make you a doctor. Sucks for them. And for your argument.

Of course they aren't docs...smart people who get into med school don't hang around with your type.

The point, which you can't deny is that med schools are hardly crying about filling open spots. There are no shortage of applicants and no shortage of good applicants to fill the school.

The flaw in your logic is that the good candidates may be leaving to go elsewhere perhaps, and the candidates applying are not as strong. Most medical schools are far easier to get in then PA programs (other than the very elite ones), and many good doctor candidates are becoming PAs because you get to actually help people and do what a doctor does essentially without the overhead of actually running the business.

That's a very cocky statement to make about Skin. He is not classy enough to roll with people who apply to medical school? I'd love to meet you and punch you in the face for being such a pompous douche.

1. Good candidates...right. Please show some proof of that. Otherwise it is just more of your bullshit.

2. Med schools easier. Right. PA programs may have more applicants..again some proof please.

3. People choosing PA over doctor. Right. Sure they are. This is ludicrous. To compare the roll and salary of a PA to a physician is hilarious.

4. Skin. Man, you can't even follow along. I never said he wasn't classy enough to roll with applicants...clearly he is...as he stated he knew many. Try and follow along...the folks he knows may be classy, but not smart enough or have the grades.

5. Punch me. LOL. Wow. you are showing your class. And, i would be glad to let you punch me...as there would be nothing more hilarious than watching you go jail on an assualt and battery charge. I'm sure your future employers will love that when they run a background check and discover you are a new felon. Good times.

Not to mention the time, money and aggravation it will cost you since it is also a tort, which means I can sue you for damages.

1) I'm disputing your claim which you provided zero sources?

2) There are a lot more doctors than PAs. Also, a lot more medical programs than PA programs. Look it up. I have very good knowledge of the subject as my girlfriend is in a top 15 PA program and also applied and was accepted to many medical schools. Maybe for the very top level of medical schools yes, but for most... no way is it even comparable. You don't need very good grades at all to get into medical school. Good luck getting into a PA program without first rate grades.

3) That's funny because all of the ladies' friends all chose to be PAs over doctors. Clearly doctors appreciate them or the job wouldn't exist. Also, would it be money magazines #1 field to go into if it weren't popular and important? Sure, salary isn't as high because the doctor is always the boss. Go to a hospital and see what kind of income the docs make.. Not as much as you'd think. Private practice is where the $ is. Again though, since they essentially are a doctor (they can write perscriptions, etc, most people go to see a PA for checkups, PAs can do a large amount of surgeries, etc), I don't really think your statement holds any water. The role is very, very similiar except the PAs actually take care of the patients. No one compared the salary except yourself...

4. You said smart doctors don't roll with his type. Are you calling him dumb? How many doctors do you roll with? Please son... Just because both of your parents were doctors doesn't mean you're smart enough to be one or you would be. Your shit stinks as much as anybodies.

5. Ok big guy. That's really manly of you. I bet back in whitefish bay when you were clocked in the dome during high school you went and cried to your doc folks as well.

You have lost. Face it.

1. Zero sources. Wrong. I provided 3 right away. It isn't my fault that you jump in midway. That is pretty typical of you.

So, that is point one that you are wrong.

2. med vs. pa programs. Who was arguing the #. As for Money magazine...that isn't what you are saying. They choose by need, etc. No one is disputing the need for PAs or nurses..or doctors.

RIGHT. I'M SAYING PLENTY OF QUALIFIED PEOPLE WITH BRAINS CHOOSE BEING A PA OVER A DOCTOR BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH HELPING PEOPLE THAN MAKING THE BIG BUCKS. MY GF IS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.

You dont' need good grades to get into med school. Right. Then, maybe you should explain to Skin's friends that couldn't get in that they must be complete losers.

MAYBE THE FLUNKED OUT OR CHANGED THEIR MINDS? I HAVE NO IDEA. FACTS ARE FACTS. THERE ARE FAR MORE MEDICAL PROGRAMS THAN PA PROGRAMS, SO BY VIRTUE OF LIMITED SPOTS, IT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO GET INTO A SCHOOL. TO GET INTO A REALLY HIGH END TOP 15 MEDICAL SCHOOL IS PROBABLY HARDER, THOUGH.


That is just so ludicrous that it makes you even appear more stupid..which i thought wasn't possible.

REALLY? DO THE HOMEWORK... HAVE YOU APPLIED TO ANY MEDICAL SCHOOLS LATELY? HOW ABOUT PA SCHOOLS? I'VE GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS WITH MY GIRLFRIEND. TYPICAL LIBERAL SPEAKING OF WICH HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE.

PA programs..like which ones. Grad or just the ones that require 2 years of schooling. LOL

UHHH... OTHER THAN MADISON WHAT PA PROGRAMS DON'T GIVE YOU A MASTERS? PA IS AN UNDERGRAD IN TYPICALLY BIOLOGY/CHEM/PREMED THAN TWO YEARS OF THE SAME CLASSES DOCTORS TAKE.

FUNNY STORY ACTUALLY. AT ROSALIND FRANKLIN, A TOP 20 MEDICAL AND PA SCHOOL IN GENERAL MEDICINE, THE MEDICAL STUDENTS ARE ALL COCKY DOUCHES. IRONICALLY, THE TOP 10% ON THE LAST EXAM WAS ALL PA STUDENTS. THE TEACHER, A PA, POINTED IT OUT BECAUSE THE MEDICAL STUDENTS ARE DOUCHES.


There are currently about 140 plus med schools...and, about 90 PA programs offering masters level.



Salary: Dude. Don't make me laugh. The worst doctors make at least 50% more than a PA..taking out ambulatory from the equation. Most PAs top out in the 90s. Most doctors aren't in the low paying fields like internal medicine or pediatrics.which max out over 200K. The lowest average max out is ambulatory at 150K.

NO SHIT. WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SALARY? ONLY YOU. I SAID ITS NOT COMPARABLE. I ALSO SAID A DOCTOR IN A HOSPITAL ISN'T EARNING AS MUCH AS YOU THINK. AND THE 200K IN AVERAGE DEBT AT 8% (TODAY, WAIT UNTIL ITS 15% 5 YEARS FROM NOW WITH THE WAY CREDIT IS) COMPOUNDS AWFULLY QUICKLY.

BTW, PAS DON'T HAVE MALPRACTICE INSURANCE EITHER. THEY'RE COVERED BY THEIR DOCTORS. THAT IS A GOOD CHUNK OF THE DOCTORS EARNINGS AS WELL.

GOOD PA'S START AT 90S DEPENDING WHAT THEY'RE IN AND WHERE THEY WENT TO SCHOOL, HOW OLD THEY ARE, ETC. MY GIRLFRIEND HAS TALKED WITH CONSOLERS AND MY STEP MOM IS AN ADMIN AT A MILWAUKEE HOSPITAL, AND THEY BOTH AGREE SHE CAN GET ABOUT 80 IN GENERAL MEDICINE STARTING. SHE WANTS TO DO SURGERY, WHERE SHE CAN GET 150K WITH EXPERIENCE. PRIVATE PRACTICE PAS THAT SPECIALIZE IN SOMETHING CAN EASILY BILL OUT 75-100 BUCKS AN HOUR. DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON TRAVELING PAS AND THE 300 THEY CAN BILL AN HOUR.

You really shouldn't talk about things you know very little. I can list 50 physicians that i know personally..from ages 35-70.

WELL, THATS GOOD, BUT YOU JUST SERVED ABOVE.

Role: No one goes to see a PA for primary care. They go to a doctor who has a PA on staff. No PA can work on their own. The role is similar to a hygenist and dentist.

ITS NOT AT ALL SIMILIAR TO A HYGENIST. YOU'RE SUCH A DUMBASS IF YOU THINK THATS TRUE. GO TO ANY AURURA FACILITY WITH A COLD... YOU'RE SEEING A PA. GO TO A DERMATOLOGIST IN MILWAUKEE... YOU'RE SEEING A PA. GO TO A PODIATRIST... YOU'RE SEEING A PA. SHUT THE FUCK UP MAN, THAT IS BEYOND RETARDED.

Surgey: LOL. No pa can perform surgery. They assist in surgery and they do pre and post op care.

SURGICAL ASSISTANTS ARE COMPLETELY TRAINED TO COMPLETE SURGERIES. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? PA != NURSE. PA IS A STRIPPED DOWN DOCTOR.

Scripts: LOL No pa can write a prescription.

THATS FUNNY. ITS MY UNDERSTANDING PA'S IN SOME STATES AND FIELDS CAN WRITE ALL OF THEIR PERSCRIPTIONS, AND MUST A VERY SMALL FRACTION OF THEM SIGNED OFF BY A DOCTOR AT THE END OF A PERIOD OF TIME (LIKE A MONTH)

DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR ARE YOU JUST MAKING THIS UP?!?! IT'S A LOAD OF BULL... EVERY PA WITH A MASTERS DEGREE CAN WRITE PERSCRIPTIONS AS FAR AS I KNOW. THERE MAY BE SOME RARE EXCEPTIONS, BUT THAT IS NOT USUALLY THE CASE.

You just have proven how little you know about the field.

SEE ABOVE. YOU'RE SO WRONG ITS LAUGHABLE BROHAM.

3: Ladies? What does that prove or mean. Women choose careers for many reasons. However, there are equal amounts of women in med school now. And, who knows why some would choose PA or Nurse instead..if grades arent' the issue. Perhaps they like the less school and less hours so they can be home with their family.

I WAS REFERENCING ALL OF MY GIRLFRIENDS FRIENDS AT RFUMS. MANY ARE MEN AS WELL. PA IS A VERY POPULAR CHOICE NOW. VERY HIGH IN DEMAND..



4. Skin. Wow, now you get the joke. More importantly...why are you defending him? Is he incapable of doing it for himself?




5. Docs...as noted...prolly at least 50 that i can immediately count. From plastic surgeons, radiologists, shrinks, urologists, etc. Pretty much the gamut.


THATS GOOD. I KNOW ABOUT 20 PEOPLE WHO WILL BE PAS NEXT YEAR, SO I FEEL QUITE QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT.

6. Smart enough. You would be wrong. My test scores prove otherwise. As would recs from those docs who know me. More importantly, i never had any interest in the field..nor did my parents ever want their children to enter that field.

7. Manly. Well, that just shows your maturity level and your concepts of manhood.

P.S. I didn't grow up in Whitefolks Bay. Second, i didn't get into fights. I was too smart and centered to get into fights. My god, only idiots are fighting in high school. And, those that are in college that are doing so..or thinking about it...morons.

TY, TY, TY... IF YOU ACTED HALF AS COCKY IN REAL LIFE AS YOU DO ON THESE BOARDS, YOU'D GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE DAILY. FACTS ARE FACTS DUDE.

1. Schools. Until you show the number of applicants for each type..your argument is bs.

2. Schools. There are 90 offering grad programs. There are around 135 total...that means there are programs that are offering PA that don't offer masters. Buhbye.

3. helping people. OH, i get it. YOu get to determine what exaclty is helping people.

4. Salary. It is relevant regarding the choice. As for salary. Dude, you don't know what you are talking about. I gave you averages. Go look at the Bureau of Labor Stats. I don't think you have any clue what docs are making. After 7-10 years most are making well into the 400-700K range.

And, you are such an idiot. Who the fuck works for a hospital. Practically none. Hospitals don't staff anymore. They outsource the work to physician groups. You really have no idea how it works.

As for your 90k starting. Not according the the Bureau of Labor.

Sure it is popular..just like Nursing and being a doctor. There is demand for anyone in the healthcare field..we have an aging society. Is this news to you.

5. PAs you know. Right, the limited time you've been in florida with them qualifies you.

6. Franklin. LOL That is a bottom tiered med school.

7. Malpractice. Wrong. A doc in primary may cover a PA..ooh, 600 a year for basic 100-300k coverage. But, very few docs are coving PAs in high risk fields.

I'm not going to continue because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. No PA can write scripts without doctor oversite..be it in person, telecom or regular consultation and no PA performs surgery...unless you are counting minor surgery performed under local.