Representation without Taxation

[Harlan Huckleby]

oh, so now I have to start reading these threads before commenting? forget it, buddy.

[mraynrand]

Re: Representation without Taxation

I certainly haven't paid taxes for the last 4 years and last year my wife was actually working as an attorney..

I notified the IRS.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Representation without Taxation

Just look around you. So many people are working at jobs that require long hours to provide a bare subsistance living for one person, and can't possibly support a family. Often with no benefits

How many? How old are they? How long have they been in those jobs? Will they be in those jobs forever? Why are they in those jobs? What will happen to those jobs when the taxes on their employers go up?

These questions are best answered by life experience, or at least talking to people, rather than theories about taxes and invisible hands and shrugging atlases.

[mraynrand]

Re: Representation without Taxation

Just look around you. So many people are working at jobs that require long hours to provide a bare subsistance living

Long hours! Bare subsistence! No benefits! No retirement! No vacation days! Low wages! No health care!

[mraynrand]

Re: Representation without Taxation

Just look around you. So many people are working at jobs that require long hours to provide a bare subsistance living for one person, and can't possibly support a family. Often with no benefits

How many? How old are they? How long have they been in those jobs? Will they be in those jobs forever? Why are they in those jobs? What will happen to those jobs when the taxes on their employers go up?

These questions are best answered by life experience, or at least talking to people, rather than theories about taxes and invisible hands and shrugging atlases.

Well, then answer them. You seem to be in the know.

[HowardRoark]

Re: Representation without Taxation

I certainly haven't paid taxes for the last 4 years and last year my wife was actually working as an attorney..

I notified the IRS.

Wait until Scott Campbell reads this.

[mraynrand]

Re: Representation without Taxation

I certainly haven't paid taxes for the last 4 years and last year my wife was actually working as an attorney..

I notified the IRS.

Wait until Scott Campbell reads this.

Is SC and IRS agent? Is he not paying taxes?

Anyway, I don't think it worked. The IRS called back and told me they have no record of a Mr. Nutz - but they wanted to talk to me.

[packinpatland]

Re: Representation without Taxation

If Taxation without Representation is tyranny, what is Representation without Taxation?

According to IRS data, in the early 1980’s, 17% of the public did not pay any taxes to the Federal Government. By 1990 that number was up to 21%. 1993, it was 24%......01 it was 27%....04 it was 33%.

Under Obama’s plan it will hit 44%. By 2014, it will hit the 50% level.

How is it again that you cook a frog?

What/who makes up the ones that are not paying taxes?

The "Ones" that we have been waiting for.

I am seriously trying to understand this. If you're not paying taxes, then you must not be employed. Or you're wealthy enough to afford loopholes.
Which is it?

This funny, either you have to have no job, or you're too wealthy to pay taxes. When was the last time that you did your taxes? Maybe you should pay more attention, because I certainly haven't paid taxes for the last 4 years and last year my wife was actually working as an attorney.

I would get a better accountant if I was you.

Certainly seems unfair to me. You drive on roads? Your children get educated? You sleep at night, knowing our country is protected?
Why would you boast about not paying taxes?..........seems unpatriotic.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Representation without Taxation

Just look around you. So many people are working at jobs that require long hours to provide a bare subsistance living

Long hours! Bare subsistence! No benefits! No retirement! No vacation days! Low wages! No health care!

That's right. Open your eyes.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Re: Representation without Taxation

If Taxation without Representation is tyranny, what is Representation without Taxation?

According to IRS data, in the early 1980’s, 17% of the public did not pay any taxes to the Federal Government. By 1990 that number was up to 21%. 1993, it was 24%......01 it was 27%....04 it was 33%.

Under Obama’s plan it will hit 44%. By 2014, it will hit the 50% level.

How is it again that you cook a frog?

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/10/30/latest-income-tax-data/

As of 2006 42.4% of households were not paying. According to that article in 1990 it was about 30%. Just curious as to where your info is coming from.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/

Thanks for the link Howard!

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: Representation without Taxation

I certainly haven't paid taxes for the last 4 years and last year my wife was actually working as an attorney..

I notified the IRS.

Just when you and I were getting back together, now this. FIRE UP THE BLENDER!!!!

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: Representation without Taxation

If Taxation without Representation is tyranny, what is Representation without Taxation?

According to IRS data, in the early 1980’s, 17% of the public did not pay any taxes to the Federal Government. By 1990 that number was up to 21%. 1993, it was 24%......01 it was 27%....04 it was 33%.

Under Obama’s plan it will hit 44%. By 2014, it will hit the 50% level.

How is it again that you cook a frog?

What/who makes up the ones that are not paying taxes?

The "Ones" that we have been waiting for.

I am seriously trying to understand this. If you're not paying taxes, then you must not be employed. Or you're wealthy enough to afford loopholes.
Which is it?

This funny, either you have to have no job, or you're too wealthy to pay taxes. When was the last time that you did your taxes? Maybe you should pay more attention, because I certainly haven't paid taxes for the last 4 years and last year my wife was actually working as an attorney.

I would get a better accountant if I was you.

Certainly seems unfair to me. You drive on roads? Your children get educated? You sleep at night, knowing our country is protected?
Why would you boast about not paying taxes?..........seems unpatriotic.

Have you ever thought about how much you actually pay in taxes that don't come in the form of income tax? It is mind boggling and it will make you sick to your stomach. I pay property tax on two, count them two properties, that should more than take care of my children's educational needs, forget to mention if I send them to private school and then I get blasted with tuition for private school and I certainly can't turn off the tap to what the locals are charging me for public education even if I think it is below standard education for the money supposedly spent. Property tax also goes to fund my local police, fire, and sewer.

Do you want to get into sales tax and other cool things like energy tax, and gas tax?

Find anything you can do this day and age that doesn't require you to have or currently paying monies into the government, whether it is local, county, state, or federal.

When my government has 700 billion dollars to give away to the corrupt banking and investment sector then no, I don't feel unpatriotic, and I sleep just fine.

Besides the income tax is unconstitutional anyways.

what about tariffs. In every other country American goods are charged a tariff before they are even allowed to unload, but hell any damn country can bring their goods into our country and pay zero tariff. That begs a lot of questions. Free trade my ass, just as long as it is coming into the United States of America.

[Freak Out]

The only way to fix it is to bring it down and start over. Dust off the Guillotines and lets get to work.

[mraynrand]

The only way to fix it is to bring it down and start over. Dust off the Guillotines and lets get to work.

Do you think you may have the wrong country? Freedom! Equality! Fraternity! then, later, Napoleon!

Does anyone know what Jefferson originally had in place of 'pursuit of happiness'

[ThunderDan]

Re: Representation without Taxation

If Taxation without Representation is tyranny, what is Representation without Taxation?

According to IRS data, in the early 1980’s, 17% of the public did not pay any taxes to the Federal Government. By 1990 that number was up to 21%. 1993, it was 24%......01 it was 27%....04 it was 33%.

Under Obama’s plan it will hit 44%. By 2014, it will hit the 50% level.

How is it again that you cook a frog?

Howard those stats are extremely biased. It should say did not pay any income tax to the federal government.

All wage earners pay payroll yax of 7.65% on there first $102,000 of income in 2008 after that it drops to 1.45%.

It also doesn't take into effect different segments of the business world. I have a client who usually makes $1,000,000 per year. Last year he lost $250,000 so would be classified as paying no taxes to the federal government. In fact, we completed a NOL Carryback and he received over a $60,000 refund. He still lives in his $3,000,000 house.

Then there is the gas tax that everyone with a car pays.

On top of that there is sales tax and property taxes that the state and municipalities collect.

I'm not sure what your point is but in the early 80s before the Reagan tax cut we had a 50% tax bracket and 83% of Americans were paying tax. Higher taxation led to more jobs and income to report on tax returns?

See how easy it is to manipulate statistics to say what you want.