Definition of 'rich' changing... already

[Freak Out]

Re: Definition of 'rich' changing... already

Why don't they start their own business and make 100k? This is capitalism. Money is there to be made.

Shazaam! It's that easy folks!

All kidding aside Dan...it's not an easy thing to do. Should we bankroll lazy fucks who have no motivation to work even though they are able? No....but I believe to be a great nation we have to educate our citizens and give them the best chance to make it and contribute...all people will have tough times in there lives but if they refuse to get with it you have to cut the cord at some point.

[MJZiggy]

Partial, you are aware that not every homeless person has the tools to run a $100k business or the venture capital to start, and not every business succeeds because someone decides to start it. Another thing to consider is that our economy is dependent upon a subclass. Your life would not be a whole lot of wonderful if no one was willing to work a $15k job. Even if they did, they're still not going to solve the debt, especially considering that the government is borrowing at a whole lot more than the taxes on $15k a year.

Bums off the street are also oftentimes veterans who have served this country in times of war coming home with physical and emotional scars. Remember that while you call them lazy asses. They've made more sacrifice for this country than you ever could.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty will not be happy till the "lazy fucks" working for MickeyD's are making 10 an hour and Big Macs are 10 bucks.

[Partial]

Well Zig, thats why some people achieve great things and some don't. It's all a matter of drive. You have got to be kidding me if you don't think everyone is great at something. Perhaps you're just cynical and doubt your fellow brothers abilities in a non-liberal way, but I believe anyone can do anything if they're driven.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Some people are great at serving fries.

[MJZiggy]

Well Zig, thats why some people achieve great things and some don't. It's all a matter of drive. You have got to be kidding me if you don't think everyone is great at something. Perhaps you're just cynical and doubt your fellow brothers abilities in a non-liberal way, but I believe anyone can do anything if they're driven.

Did you just call me a conservative? See, Skin? I do believe anyone could do anything--with the proper tools. I think Freak Out is right, that we need to educate our citizens.

By the way, I agree with the rest of his post too, you give people an education and you give them a safety net. But it's just that-a safety net. Welfare was never intended to be permanent.

[Freak Out]

Ty will not be happy till the "lazy fucks" working for MickeyD's are making 10 an hour and Big Macs are 10 bucks.

That's why we have schools....even for adults who fail the first time around. we just have to fund them and I have no problem doing it. We need plumbers and carpenters just as much as we need lawyers and programmers.

[Partial]

Ty will not be happy till the "lazy fucks" working for MickeyD's are making 10 an hour and Big Macs are 10 bucks.

Who said anything about mDs? Only you did. Are you telling me some homeless bum can't dedicate himself to education at a public library and learn the necessary skills to interview well and gain a 50k job, and with hard work and dedication be making 100k in a few years when he takes the skills he learned and the money he saved, to go and invest in himself as a small business?

[MJZiggy]

According the the SBA 50% of all small businesses fail. According to the SBA, not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur.

http://www.sba.gov/smallbusinessplanner/plan/getready/SERV_SBPLANNER_ISENTFORU.html

Further, given your prejudices, are you going to hire and pay a bum $50k with a library education and no experience?

[Freak Out]

According the the SBA 50% of all small businesses fail. According to the SBA, not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur.

http://www.sba.gov/smallbusinessplanner/plan/getready/SERV_SBPLANNER_ISENTFORU.html

Further, given your prejudices, are you going to hire and pay a bum $50k with a library education and no experience?

Who needs book lernin!

[bobblehead]

RG,

You just got taken to school. Not only did ThunderDan answer your post, he did so eloquently and without derision.

You might learn a thing or two from him.

NOt really, dan went from claiming (made it sound like) the SS tax was 7.6% and ended up MUCH closer to RG's number (ended over 13%).

I wouldn't call that getting schooled. He also made many other points that weren't really the way he made it sound.

[bobblehead]

RG,

Now i realize that you aren't just dishonest, but tone deaf.

Dan, you really need an economics class at your local community college. If you tell me where you live, I will find a class for you to enroll in. Macro Economics 101 or Micro Economics 101 would be a great place to start.

If you can't follow where you insulted him...then, really, there is little hope for you.

How is that insulting? He's trying to help the guy. You're an idiot. And RG just served for liberal dumbass homeboy Thunder Danny.

Trying to help a business owner and CPA? Insulting him before he even knows his background?

You are such a dumbass.

I question the truth of the business owner....I have a hard time believing many business owners (who aren't bleeding off the gov't) could support obama....really hard.

[bobblehead]

According the the SBA 50% of all small businesses fail. According to the SBA, not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur.

http://www.sba.gov/smallbusinessplanner/plan/getready/SERV_SBPLANNER_ISENTFORU.html

Further, given your prejudices, are you going to hire and pay a bum $50k with a library education and no experience?

which is precisely why we have to tax the shit out of those that succeed. If we don't, er wait....maybe we should let the ones who try and succeed keep more of what they make so more people will be incetivized to try....and succeed. Cuz every one that succeeds makes my life a little bit easier....thats the way it works.

[Partial]

RG,

Now i realize that you aren't just dishonest, but tone deaf.

Dan, you really need an economics class at your local community college. If you tell me where you live, I will find a class for you to enroll in. Macro Economics 101 or Micro Economics 101 would be a great place to start.

If you can't follow where you insulted him...then, really, there is little hope for you.

How is that insulting? He's trying to help the guy. You're an idiot. And RG just served for liberal dumbass homeboy Thunder Danny.

Trying to help a business owner and CPA? Insulting him before he even knows his background?

You are such a dumbass.

I question the truth of the business owner....I have a hard time believing many business owners (who aren't bleeding off the gov't) could support obama....really hard.

Agreed. My dad knows many, and I've met many myself. NONE are democrats as far as I can tell from discussion business and politics with them.

[Partial]

More would succeed if it wasn't so GD expensive. Plan on giving 50% of what you earn back to big brother easily if you're a small business.