How wealth is created...

[mraynrand]

It is not humane to deny sick people health insurance

Then you should purchase it for them. If you have any possessions remaining, sell it all combine it with your cash and buy insurance for the sick. It is the humane thing to do.

I'm sure a lot of republicans share your attitude. How's the Grand Old Party doing these days?

Have you sold all you possessions yet? Willing to put your money (if you have any) where your mouth is? Or are you only willing to fund health insurance with someone else's money?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Have you sold all you possessions yet? Willing to put your money (if you have any) where your mouth is? Or are you only willing to fund health insurance with someone else's money?

I don't recall a hat being passed around to fund the Iraq War.

I feel dirty for having responded.

[mraynrand]

Have you sold all you possessions yet? Willing to put your money (if you have any) where your mouth is? Or are you only willing to fund health insurance with someone else's money?

I don't recall a hat being passed around to fund the Iraq War.

I feel dirty for having responded.

So what? You were talking about being humane. If you were humane, you would give away you possessions to pay for health care. You should also become a health care worker and provide care for free. It is the humane thing to do.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Can't we send you to the Humane Society?

[wist43]

If that's what you want, well ok, but I was gonna be nice and offer you one last life saver on your way.

Thanks, appreciate the sentiment, but truth be told... once totalitarianism has set in, there's no saving the vilified class... you'd just be identified as a sympathizer and be thrown right in there with me.

[wist43]

It is not humane to deny sick people health insurance

Then you should purchase it for them. If you have any possessions remaining, sell it all combine it with your cash and buy insurance for the sick. It is the humane thing to do.

I'm sure a lot of republicans share your attitude. How's the Grand Old Party doing these days?

GOP died decades ago...

The right wing of the Socialist Party just got booted though. True to historical form, he who promises the most from the public treasury, usually wins. You can never "out-left" the left.

[MJZiggy]

If that's what you want, well ok, but I was gonna be nice and offer you one last life saver on your way.

Thanks, appreciate the sentiment, but truth be told... once totalitarianism has set in, there's no saving the vilified class... you'd just be identified as a sympathizer and be thrown right in there with me.

Nah, they like me. They'd spare me as long as I told 'em where Partial was hiding, explaining to everyone in his cave that they could make 6 figures if they'd just work hard.

[GK]

So if your friend wants to expand healthcare for more people, and wants to have type of services in healthcare that we cannot even imagine right now, she should support a system introduces market forces into healthcare.

In theory this may be true. But there are practical realities that the market can't address.

A market breaks down in serving high-risk people. IT is not humane to deny sick people health insurance, but that's exactly what market pressures lead to.

But you are assuming that a CT scan should cost $2000 (like it does today) and a typical surgery should cost $10,000 (like it does today). Those prices are artificially set. In a free system those prices would be a fraction of what they are today.

[GK]

So if your friend wants to expand healthcare for more people, and wants to have type of services in healthcare that we cannot even imagine right now, she should support a system introduces market forces into healthcare.

In theory this may be true. But there are practical realities that the market can't address.

A market breaks down in serving high-risk people. IT is not humane to deny sick people health insurance, but that's exactly what market pressures lead to.

But you are assuming that a CT scan should cost $2000 (like it does today) and a typical surgery should cost $10,000 (like it does today). Those prices are artificially set. In a free system those prices would be a fraction of what they are today.

And from a provider standpoint, no one has ever denied anyone healthcare.

Today, the only time people don't get the care they need is when Medicare denies it, which it is doing more and more. That is the irony of your argument. When private people are left to care for patients, they care for them, one way or another. The government, however, frequently denies people care.

[mraynrand]

So if your friend wants to expand healthcare for more people, and wants to have type of services in healthcare that we cannot even imagine right now, she should support a system introduces market forces into healthcare.

In theory this may be true. But there are practical realities that the market can't address.

A market breaks down in serving high-risk people. IT is not humane to deny sick people health insurance, but that's exactly what market pressures lead to.

But you are assuming that a CT scan should cost $2000 (like it does today) and a typical surgery should cost $10,000 (like it does today). Those prices are artificially set. In a free system those prices would be a fraction of what they are today.

And from a provider standpoint, no one has ever denied anyone healthcare.

Today, the only time people don't get the care they need is when Medicare denies it, which it is doing more and more. That is the irony of your argument. When private people are left to care for patients, they care for them, one way or another. The government, however, frequently denies people care.

I think the government needs to 'invest' more in healthcare, then, of course, such denials would never happen. ALL care would be approved, to ALL people. That's what a humane government does.

[mraynrand]

Can't we send you to the Humane Society?

I am going to pee on your leg.

[wist43]

If that's what you want, well ok, but I was gonna be nice and offer you one last life saver on your way.

Thanks, appreciate the sentiment, but truth be told... once totalitarianism has set in, there's no saving the vilified class... you'd just be identified as a sympathizer and be thrown right in there with me.

Nah, they like me. They'd spare me as long as I told 'em where Partial was hiding, explaining to everyone in his cave that they could make 6 figures if they'd just work hard.

Ah, an informant... think I'll read 1984 again, ramp up my level of paranoia as a reminder that the walls have ears, and the street corners have eyes.

[MJZiggy]

[falco]

And from a provider standpoint, no one has ever denied anyone healthcare.

Today, the only time people don't get the care they need is when Medicare denies it, which it is doing more and more. That is the irony of your argument. When private people are left to care for patients, they care for them, one way or another. The government, however, frequently denies people care.

that's not true...if you don't have insurance you most likely won't be seen unless you are talking about emergency room care or delivering a baby.

and then, once you can't pay, welcome to hell when it comes time for collections.

[mraynrand]

.if you don't have insurance you most likely won't be seen unless you are talking about emergency room care or delivering a baby.

untrue.

http://www.metrohealth.org/body.cfm?id=1177

"We respect the dignity of those in our care, serving them with compassion and high quality, regardless of their ability to pay "