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  • #16
    Originally posted by GrnBay007
    Originally posted by red
    that was one hell of a speech
    I enjoyed it.
    It was a good speech, but........ how can anyone really take his lofty rhetoric seriously given the very ugly, dirty tricks campaign he ran?

    Never has a politician told more flat out lies than Obama did backed by willing accomplices in the media that served as campaign surrogates by portraying him in the best possible light while simultaneously savaging any detractors.

    It really was disgusting to watch.

    The sports adage is, "It's not whether you win or lose. It's how you play the game."

    I could respect the achievement of the first minority president more if Obama had conducted an ethical and straightforward campaign. He didn't and it's hard frankly to believe anything he says.

    The tone of his acceptance speech was great, even inspiring, but where was that tone throughout the two years of his campaign? One speech doesn’t erase all the very nasty things done in his name. Did he have what it took to beat McCain and the Republicans on ideas alone? We will never know because he chose to take a very different track.

    Barry Bonds may well be baseball’s all-time home run king but it’s a tarnished record and we all know why. Obama’s name as well is now in the record books but there is definitely an asterisk next to it. He did not earn this victory fair and square.

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    • #17
      Well Kiwon, I guess we'll mark you down as a "no we can't", huh?

      Personally, that speech inspired the hell out of me. I wish we had him as our leader. A guy like that could unite Europe.

      I will be waiting to see what kind of cabinet he assembles.

      Would it be possible/thinkable/feasable for him to keep Condie Rice on? I think together, they'd make a great 1-2 punch.

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      • #18
        Interesting question, Tar. The news said last night that he had many of his cabinet positions already chosen and that they were doing a serious housecleaning, but here's hoping he keeps on people like Condi.

        Presidential politics has never been tidy and last night a historian went over the dirty campaigns of the past and this one pales against the candidate that called his opponent a "howling hermaphrodite."

        Kiwon. the election is done. It's over. It was bitter on both sides, but McCain himself told his crowd last time that it was time to unify and get behind our new leadership.
        "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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        • #19
          Originally posted by MJZiggy
          but McCain himself told his crowd last time that it was time to unify and get behind our new leadership.
          As an Obama supporter, I want to compliment John McCain on what had to be a very painful concession speech to give, but one that was gracious and unifying. I continue to hold him in very high regard, and I offer my respect and my hand across the aisle for a hard fought race.
          Teamwork is what the Green Bay Packers were all about. They didn't do it for individual glory. They did it because they loved one another.
          Vince Lombardi

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MJZiggy
            The news said last night that he had many of his cabinet positions already chosen and that they were doing a serious housecleaning.
            Everyone does a "serious houscleaning," this is nothing new. Why else would we have elections?
            After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MJZiggy
              Kiwon. the election is done. It's over. It was bitter on both sides, but McCain himself told his crowd last time that it was time to unify and get behind our new leadership.
              THANK GOD the election is over.

              Economic crisis? - Obama spent what, over $650 million?

              Man-made global warming crisis? - 2 true believers have been destroying the planet for a couple of years now flying all over the country.

              The new leadership I get behind is new conservative leadership. McCain is a RINO (Republican In Name Only) at best and an appeaser at worse. The turnout figures are LESS THAN in 2004 which makes it clear that many conservatives simply could not bring themselves to vote for McCain.

              McCain almost lost my vote with his support for the stupid bailout plan. All the BS about government pork and the jerk votes for a $800 billion bill filled with wasteful spending. Yeah, the great reformer.

              Conservatives and Republicans made the mess they're in and now they have to deal with it. They deserve what they got. Let them continue to get their tails whipped until they return to their ideological roots.

              My prediction, after the warm fuzzies wear off, reality will set in. The last two years under Democratic leadership have been a disaster. Lowest approval ratings of any Congress in history. Far lower even than a weak, lameduck president. Obama, who has no executive experience and a very questionable character, will be a rubber stamp President for his Democratic Congress and will quickly lose control. The old guard will have their way with him.

              6 months from today, if yesterday's election were held again, he would lose.

              He's not ready for the job and it will become painfully obvious fairly soon. It's just that simple.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by digitaldean
                Though I don't agree with a lot of his policies, I congratulate Pres.-elect Obama. He ran a better grass-roots organization and got more people energized. It is historic that an African-American has finally become POTUS.

                Though this may be an ideological shift our country may eventually regret, we do have to come together as a nation. This election has been fairly divisive. The vitriol on both sides was detestable. If the mantra of change is to be believed, then Obama will need to change from his partisan voting record. He can not placate the MoveOn.org wing of the Democrat party.

                I will stand by him as the Commander in Chief and will support him. That being said, if he tries to enact legislation that goes against my moral beliefs (abortion, etc.), then I will fight him tooth and nail. It will be a respectful opposition, but it will be opposition when needed.

                Though the results are not what I had hoped for, one bright spot is the enthusiasm and re-involvement of huge segments of our country to the voting process. Voter apathy was definitely not present this election.

                Congrats, to Ty, PIP, Gex, Joe Mailman and the others who supported Obama. The country has spoken and its time to move on. The Dems have what they wanted regarding control of Washington. Now they have to do one thing ....LEAD.

                Excellent post. We now move forward.

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                • #23
                  Can we move forward on the Brett Favre issue? Aaron Rodgers is now Packers president. Can we now move on?
                  "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Kiwon
                    Originally posted by MJZiggy
                    Kiwon. the election is done. It's over. It was bitter on both sides, but McCain himself told his crowd last time that it was time to unify and get behind our new leadership.
                    THANK GOD the election is over.

                    Economic crisis? - Obama spent what, over $650 million?

                    Man-made global warming crisis? - 2 true believers have been destroying the planet for a couple of years now flying all over the country.

                    The new leadership I get behind is new conservative leadership. McCain is a RINO (Republican In Name Only) at best and an appeaser at worse. The turnout figures are LESS THAN in 2004 which makes it clear that many conservatives simply could not bring themselves to vote for McCain.

                    McCain almost lost my vote with his support for the stupid bailout plan. All the BS about government pork and the jerk votes for a $800 billion bill filled with wasteful spending. Yeah, the great reformer.

                    Conservatives and Republicans made the mess they're in and now they have to deal with it. They deserve what they got. Let them continue to get their tails whipped until they return to their ideological roots.

                    My prediction, after the warm fuzzies wear off, reality will set in. The last two years under Democratic leadership have been a disaster. Lowest approval ratings of any Congress in history. Far lower even than a weak, lameduck president. Obama, who has no executive experience and a very questionable character, will be a rubber stamp President for his Democratic Congress and will quickly lose control. The old guard will have their way with him.

                    6 months from today, if yesterday's election were held again, he would lose.

                    He's not ready for the job and it will become painfully obvious fairly soon. It's just that simple.
                    How unpatriotic and anti-american are you. Get behind the new leader of the free world and show your support for this great nation.
                    Baah

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                    • #25
                      gex;

                      how robust you are concerning patriotism.
                      your kind are never patriotic and for the most part very anti-american.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by sooner6600
                        gex;

                        how robust you are concerning patriotism.
                        your kind are never patriotic and for the most part very anti-american.
                        yep, american haters the bunch of them
                        Busting drunk drivers in Antarctica since 2006

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by falco
                          Originally posted by sooner6600
                          gex;

                          how robust you are concerning patriotism.
                          your kind are never patriotic and for the most part very anti-american.
                          yep, american haters the bunch of them
                          I think by "your kind" he meant lonely forum trolling emos. Emos love feeling important.
                          "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SkinBasket
                            Originally posted by falco
                            Originally posted by sooner6600
                            gex;

                            how robust you are concerning patriotism.
                            your kind are never patriotic and for the most part very anti-american.
                            yep, american haters the bunch of them
                            I think by "your kind" he meant lonely forum trolling emos. Emos love feeling important.
                            point taken

                            although shouldn't emos be judged on their lameness and not their patriotism? just my opinion
                            Busting drunk drivers in Antarctica since 2006

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Kiwon
                              Originally posted by MJZiggy
                              Kiwon. the election is done. It's over. It was bitter on both sides, but McCain himself told his crowd last time that it was time to unify and get behind our new leadership.
                              THANK GOD the election is over.

                              Economic crisis? - Obama spent what, over $650 million?

                              Man-made global warming crisis? - 2 true believers have been destroying the planet for a couple of years now flying all over the country.

                              The new leadership I get behind is new conservative leadership. McCain is a RINO (Republican In Name Only) at best and an appeaser at worse. The turnout figures are LESS THAN in 2004 which makes it clear that many conservatives simply could not bring themselves to vote for McCain.

                              McCain almost lost my vote with his support for the stupid bailout plan. All the BS about government pork and the jerk votes for a $800 billion bill filled with wasteful spending. Yeah, the great reformer.

                              Conservatives and Republicans made the mess they're in and now they have to deal with it. They deserve what they got. Let them continue to get their tails whipped until they return to their ideological roots.

                              My prediction, after the warm fuzzies wear off, reality will set in. The last two years under Democratic leadership have been a disaster. Lowest approval ratings of any Congress in history. Far lower even than a weak, lameduck president. Obama, who has no executive experience and a very questionable character, will be a rubber stamp President for his Democratic Congress and will quickly lose control. The old guard will have their way with him.

                              6 months from today, if yesterday's election were held again, he would lose.

                              He's not ready for the job and it will become painfully obvious fairly soon. It's just that simple.
                              I think the Russians are going to be the "testers" that Biden talked about.....I think they have already started.
                              After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by HowardRoark
                                Originally posted by Kiwon
                                Originally posted by MJZiggy
                                Kiwon. the election is done. It's over. It was bitter on both sides, but McCain himself told his crowd last time that it was time to unify and get behind our new leadership.
                                THANK GOD the election is over.

                                Economic crisis? - Obama spent what, over $650 million?

                                Man-made global warming crisis? - 2 true believers have been destroying the planet for a couple of years now flying all over the country.

                                The new leadership I get behind is new conservative leadership. McCain is a RINO (Republican In Name Only) at best and an appeaser at worse. The turnout figures are LESS THAN in 2004 which makes it clear that many conservatives simply could not bring themselves to vote for McCain.

                                McCain almost lost my vote with his support for the stupid bailout plan. All the BS about government pork and the jerk votes for a $800 billion bill filled with wasteful spending. Yeah, the great reformer.

                                Conservatives and Republicans made the mess they're in and now they have to deal with it. They deserve what they got. Let them continue to get their tails whipped until they return to their ideological roots.

                                My prediction, after the warm fuzzies wear off, reality will set in. The last two years under Democratic leadership have been a disaster. Lowest approval ratings of any Congress in history. Far lower even than a weak, lameduck president. Obama, who has no executive experience and a very questionable character, will be a rubber stamp President for his Democratic Congress and will quickly lose control. The old guard will have their way with him.

                                6 months from today, if yesterday's election were held again, he would lose.

                                He's not ready for the job and it will become painfully obvious fairly soon. It's just that simple.
                                I think the Russians are going to be the "testers" that Biden talked about.....I think they have already started.
                                Hamas launched 30 rockets into Israel yesterday. Timing coincidence? Hardly.

                                Al-Qaeda will issue their own welcome broadcast soon enough.

                                Russia, Iran, NK, Chavez in Venezuela....these guys know a lightweight when they see one. That's why they publicly favored Obama.

                                Vladimir Putin already chose Biden as Obama's VP for him when he invaded Georgia. Biden (with his 7,000 votes in the primary and foreign affairs "expertise") was a reactionary pick. Another sign that Obama is more fluff than substance.

                                Obama is vain and poll-driven. How many times did he vote "present" in the Ill. State senate? Indecisive and weak. That's the way they see him.

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