Proposition 8

[Tarlam!]

Actually, Tar, in this county at least, he's right. Before a certain young gentleman was born his parents planned to adopt. There are a ton of kids available for adoption, unless you're looking for a healthy white infant. Then you can forget it and it is now normal practice to leave it up to the birth mother to choose who gets her baby. You can do an overseas adoption from an orphanage, but the kids are a year or two old by the time you get through the red tape. And then you have to start doing the research on the psychological problems, and there are usually physical problems as well.

So now the argument is, heteros don't love kids as much as poofters? Gimme a break!

[LEWCWA]

I think fat chicks in tummy shirts is fucking gross....can we vote to have it outlawed....I'm sure a majority would agree with me. Is this how we make law?

[Tarlam!]

I think fat chicks in tummy shirts is fucking gross....can we vote to have it outlawed....I'm sure a majority would agree with me. Is this how we make law?

Oh, you are just hilarious...

[MJZiggy]

Actually, Tar, in this county at least, he's right. Before a certain young gentleman was born his parents planned to adopt. There are a ton of kids available for adoption, unless you're looking for a healthy white infant. Then you can forget it and it is now normal practice to leave it up to the birth mother to choose who gets her baby. You can do an overseas adoption from an orphanage, but the kids are a year or two old by the time you get through the red tape. And then you have to start doing the research on the psychological problems, and there are usually physical problems as well.

So now the argument is, heteros don't love kids as much as poofters? Gimme a break!

Where do you read THAT? I said that birth mothers choose the adoptive parents. And there are LOTS of parents to choose from. Which are you gonna choose? Do you really think a pregnant girl at an adoption agency is going to look at 100 hetero couples and choose the gay guys?

[Tarlam!]

Actually, Tar, in this county at least, he's right. Before a certain young gentleman was born his parents planned to adopt. There are a ton of kids available for adoption, unless you're looking for a healthy white infant. Then you can forget it and it is now normal practice to leave it up to the birth mother to choose who gets her baby. You can do an overseas adoption from an orphanage, but the kids are a year or two old by the time you get through the red tape. And then you have to start doing the research on the psychological problems, and there are usually physical problems as well.

So now the argument is, heteros don't love kids as much as poofters? Gimme a break!

Where do you read THAT? I said that birth mothers choose the adoptive parents. And there are LOTS of parents to choose from. Which are you gonna choose? Do you really think a pregnant girl at an adoption agency is going to look at 100 hetero couples and choose the gay guys?

Your initial discription leads me to the conclusion that the "left-over" kids need to be adopted by queers or suffer, according to you. The defacto verdict is that heteros go shopping for their adoptive offspring while poofters buy lottery tickets. Laughable.

[MJZiggy]

Heteros who adopt are usually infertile and are desperate for babies.

Our foster care system has a serious backlog. Let me repeat that. Our foster care system has a SERIOUS backlog. They have started taking out classifieds, paying the parents and they show up at the farmers markets and book fairs trying to talk people into becoming fosters. It is a problem here.

[SkinBasket]

Heteros who adopt are usually infertile and are desperate for babies.

Source? And we prefer the term vagina fucker, not the derogatory "hetero."

[Zool]

I prefer cum dispenser.

[MJZiggy]

Heteros who adopt are usually infertile and are desperate for babies.

Source? And we prefer the term vagina fucker, not the derogatory "hetero."

Trust me, making your own is a hell of a lot simpler and faster.

[LEWCWA]

I think fat chicks in tummy shirts is fucking gross....can we vote to have it outlawed....I'm sure a majority would agree with me. Is this how we make law?

Oh, you are just hilarious...

Thing is it isn't supposed to be funny, just ludicrous. Many here and abroad believe that because a majority find this to be "gross" it is ok to legislate against it. That is where you are all wrong...legislating by majority gets us in trouble,,,ie,,,,slavery, mixed couples, gays, segregation..etc. By your standards something as ludicrous as this could be legislated as long as I have a majority to agree with me! Sometimes it is easier to see when the subject isn't something you care about or seems ludicrous!

[mraynrand]

While there are some useful comparisons between gay rights issues and mixed marriages, there are also enough differences to avoid using the acceptance of interracial marriages as a justification for redefining marriage.

I see no signficant difference. You have two adults wishing to form a family partnership in either case. At one time, it was thought to be wrong for mixed races to marry. The EXACT same arguments were made against mixed marriages as are made today against gays, and those arguments have no more validity now than they did then.

Well, I guess if you say so. Except that there are no laws preventing gays from being together.

[Tarlam!]

It is a problem here.

I fully agree. And the current solution is for gays to be able to adopt. IMO, wrong solution.

And in this country it has gone so far that infants DO go to gay couples and I find that appalling. Especially after the rigorous testing people need to go through just to be acceepted as adoptive parents.

What really set me off on this subject was when a German folk music star and his "friend" were able to adapt an infant, what 13 years ago? The tabloids were full of the story and it made me sick.

I don't "hate" too many things in life. I'm usually really "live and let live" sort of. But I am so staunchly against Gay adoption, I can't even be reasonable.

Must be the voices in my head.

[Tarlam!]

By your standards something as ludicrous as this could be legislated as long as I have a majority to agree with me! Sometimes it is easier to see when the subject isn't something you care about or seems ludicrous!

I am capable of following and understanding your arguments, but I just need to look at school child behaviour in the ghetto areas of the USA to demonstrate that not all of the freedoms you have legislated are good for society.

I don't even need to look that far. We have similar issues in Germany. Teachers are helpless. It's not yet as bad as what some American cities deal with, but it won't be long. We changed our legislation, too.

Gay adoptions are, in my mind, unnatural and should be a major exception rather than being accepted everyday practice. I honestly have ZERO issues with two consenting adults doing what they love to do with eaachother and ZERO on them uniting in the eyes of the State and whatever God/Deity condones their behavious. ZERO. I find it unnatural, but they aren't hurting anyone, other than potentially themselves.

Throw a child into the mix and I become homophobic. No amount of freedoms guaranteed by any consitution on earth will change my opinion on this. In fact, constitutions should be amended to prohibit this.

It's like the celebacy deal for catholic priests. You wanna be a priest because that's your calling? Fine. But the Pope has a constitution that says you will be celebate.

You wanna follow your biological sexual preferences and live in a union where it is impossible biologically to produce a child even if all your body parts function perfectly within that union? Fine. But the constitution says you will remain childless.

That's how it should be, IMO.

[th87]

Throw a child into the mix and I become homophobic. No amount of freedoms guaranteed by any consitution on earth will change my opinion on this. In fact, constitutions should be amended to prohibit this.

One question. Why?

What happens if a child is adopted by a gay couple?

What do you feel will be the outcome?

[Tarlam!]

Throw a child into the mix and I become homophobic. No amount of freedoms guaranteed by any consitution on earth will change my opinion on this. In fact, constitutions should be amended to prohibit this.

One question. Why?

What happens if a child is adopted by a gay couple?

What do you feel will be the outcome?

Well, that's actually 3 questions, but semantics aside, I am happy to answer them.

1. Why? = Because God, Divinity Nature saw fit to have to sexes necessary to produce.

2. What if? = The child has no chance at being adopted by a hetero couple, which I feel, is a bad thing.

3. Outcome = The big unknown. At best, they will spread the word that being Gay is a nice thing. At worst, they will be taught that being Gay is the ONLY thing.

It remains unnatural any way you want to spin it.

I might lose any credibility I ever had here on this forum over this issue. I might lose all of my friends. That would really sadden me a great deal. But I will defend my position irrationally until I die. And that position is very very clear.

"Gays should never be entrusted with the rearing of our offspring. Ever"