Proposition 8

[sheepshead]

I think it will be far more troubling when I have to explain to my young children what is wrong with those two men walking down the street holding hands...

Please think before you speak.

Why feel the need to explain anything? Why say it's wrong? Let them come to their own conclusions.
As to the notion of adoption. My kids have plenty of friends with two moms or two dads. We went to these kid's weddings (3 this summer) They had gay parents, they chose straight partners. They grew up in loving homes....the alternative could have been orphanages or foster homes.
On this particular issue, where there really is no bearing on anyone other than those directly involved, why should it bother you so much?

Again with all due respect it's called "parenting". Liberalism is popular because it's easy. This is another example.

All due respect to you, I know alittle bit about parenting. I have 3 very successful daughters. My husband and I were, still are, very good parents. Letting children form their own opinions is alot harder than trying to mold them into thinking the way you want them to.

You're off the point here but - whatever. You questioned whether anything should be explained... as a parent everything needs to be explained. Conclusions are then drawn. I have 3 kids also and they couldnt be more different. My oldest son goes to the Art Institute of Chicago on a scholarship and was in Grant Park yesterday and we texted back and forth. Does that sound like I have forced my will on him?

[packinpatland]

How am I 'off point'?

Partial's post was " think it will be far more troubling when I have to explain to my young children what is wrong with those two men walking down the street holding hands... :


That is not 'explaining', that's telling them what you think and how they should think.

[packinpatland]

I think it will be far more troubling when I have to explain to my young children what is wrong with those two men walking down the street holding hands...

Please think before you speak.

Why feel the need to explain anything? Why say it's wrong? Let them come to their own conclusions.
As to the notion of adoption. My kids have plenty of friends with two moms or two dads. We went to these kid's weddings (3 this summer) They had gay parents, they chose straight partners. They grew up in loving homes....the alternative could have been orphanages or foster homes.
On this particular issue, where there really is no bearing on anyone other than those directly involved, why should it bother you so much?

Again with all due respect it's called "parenting". Liberalism is popular because it's easy. This is another example.

All due respect to you, I know alittle bit about parenting. I have 3 very successful daughters. My husband and I were, still are, very good parents. Letting children form their own opinions is alot harder than trying to mold them into thinking the way you want them to.

You're off the point here but - whatever. You questioned whether anything should be explained... as a parent everything needs to be explained. Conclusions are then drawn. I have 3 kids also and they couldnt be more different. My oldest son goes to the Art Institute of Chicago on a scholarship and was in Grant Park yesterday and we texted back and forth. Does that sound like I have forced my will on him?

As to your son.........sounds like you did a good job as a parent. He thinks on his own, yet respects your opinion.

[sheepshead]

How am I 'off point'?

Partial's post was " think it will be far more troubling when I have to explain to my young children what is wrong with those two men walking down the street holding hands... :


That is not 'explaining', that's telling them what you think and how they should think.

I took that as his kids reaction to what they saw. Instinctively concluding that it doesnt look right, because they have only seen men and women do that. Not addressing it actually only reinforces their initial reaction. If you just smile and go on your way, I'm afraid we havent accomplished anything as a parent.

[sheepshead]

I think it will be far more troubling when I have to explain to my young children what is wrong with those two men walking down the street holding hands...

Please think before you speak.

Why feel the need to explain anything? Why say it's wrong? Let them come to their own conclusions.
As to the notion of adoption. My kids have plenty of friends with two moms or two dads. We went to these kid's weddings (3 this summer) They had gay parents, they chose straight partners. They grew up in loving homes....the alternative could have been orphanages or foster homes.
On this particular issue, where there really is no bearing on anyone other than those directly involved, why should it bother you so much?

Again with all due respect it's called "parenting". Liberalism is popular because it's easy. This is another example.

All due respect to you, I know alittle bit about parenting. I have 3 very successful daughters. My husband and I were, still are, very good parents. Letting children form their own opinions is alot harder than trying to mold them into thinking the way you want them to.

You're off the point here but - whatever. You questioned whether anything should be explained... as a parent everything needs to be explained. Conclusions are then drawn. I have 3 kids also and they couldnt be more different. My oldest son goes to the Art Institute of Chicago on a scholarship and was in Grant Park yesterday and we texted back and forth. Does that sound like I have forced my will on him?

As to your son.........sounds like you did a good job as a parent. He thinks on his own, yet respects your opinion.

The highest of compliments--thank you

[arcilite]

I think it will be far more troubling when I have to explain to my young children what is wrong with those two men walking down the street holding hands...

Please think before you speak.

You won't have much explaining to do because nothing is wrong.


A good parent would explain not all people are the same. While it is 'normal' for men and women to be together, some prefer to be with those of the same sex.

No biggie.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Proposition 8

well...marriage has a definition, and gay isn't in it.

The definition used to be between people of the same race. And that definition was supported by over 90% of the population as recently as the early 1960's.

[falco]

Re: Proposition 8

well...marriage has a definition, and gay isn't in it.

The definition used to be between people of the same race. And that definition was supported by over 90% of the population as recently as the early 1960's.

and that is really the "last laugh" of this whole thing - american attitudes are changing, and barring any massive shifts, gay marriage will most likely become acceptable and commonplace within the next few decades as demographics shift

[Harlan Huckleby]

Believe it or not, there are still people that believe in the whole sacred union part of marriage - that it's not just a civil service or a joining of health care benefits, but a religious vow.

This is exactly right. So what business does the government have in conferring religious sacraments? The gov should ONLY be authorized to do civil unions. "Marriage" should be conferred by your priest or witch doctor.

Back to arclite's original point: there is no barrier to gay acceptance that can't be overcome by heart disease. People under the age of 40 are cool with gay couples, older people are squeemish and aren't going to change. Its a generalization, but backed-up starkly by statistics. Death is the answer.

You can see the change happening right here in this forum. Madtown came out of the closet (indirectly) within the past year, it wasn't a big deal. FavreChild recently stepped up to the plate (pun intended), most people would be happy to see her get married.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Gays for the most part are clever.

No, you're thinking of the asians, they are the clever ones - they can make a TV into a watch. They used to be inscrutible, now they are clever. Whites are good with money. Indians can sneak up on ya. What was the other one.... mexicans have the gift of family, they can get along even if you put 100 relatives in one house. (that would be two familes) The gays, they're just really, really dirty, they never met an orifice they didn't like.

[hoosier]

Gays for the most part are clever.

No, you're thinking of the asians, they are the clever ones - they can make a TV into a watch. They used to be inscrutible, now they are clever. Whites are good with money. Indians can sneak up on ya. What was the other one.... mexicans have the gift of family, they can get along even if you put 100 relatives in one house. (that would be two familes) The gays, they're just really, really dirty, they never met an orifice they didn't like.

Wow, gay indians must have it rough. Imagine Pigpen from Charlie Brown trying to sneak up on people but his lingering stink cloud always gives him away.

[mraynrand]

Re: Proposition 8

well...marriage has a definition, and gay isn't in it.

The definition used to be between people of the same race. And that definition was supported by over 90% of the population as recently as the early 1960's.

and that is really the "last laugh" of this whole thing - american attitudes are changing, and barring any massive shifts, gay marriage will most likely become acceptable and commonplace within the next few decades as demographics shift

I think you're right about this. But think carefully to the next step. What this means is that we don't need the supreme court to help 'redefine' marriage. And we don't need to 'redefine' marriage. If gay couples will become increasingly more accepted, what is the purpose of trying to force people to accept that they are 'the same' as hetero couples, when clearly they are not? They are different, but I think as an increasingly secular society that will look more like Western Europe (at least for the next couple of decades, until Europe become majority muslim), why do we have to alter the reality of language and concepts to be accepting (or at least tolerant) of different behaviours?

[arcilite]

[mraynrand]

I'm sure that in 40 more years they will be trying to protect the sanctity of marriage by preventing me from marrying my owner. I am, of course, against it. Dogs are people too, especially after the passage of issue #10.

[falco]

I'm sure that in 40 more years they will be trying to protect the sanctity of marriage by preventing me from marrying my owner. I am, of course, against it. Dogs are people too, especially after the passage of issue #10.

right...because as black is to white, and man is to woman, man is to dog