Uh-Oh!

[woodbuck27]

'There's really just a very few people in the whole forum that get vicious, and then only on their bad days." HH

Harlan:

It's a lovely neighborhood.

Sometimes, and this isn't abnormal - crap flys and crap sticks. It's seldom the people/person, if we're wired right, but how we have to deal with OUR reactions.

So the biggest challenge is 'the self'.

action / reaction > consequence. I don't believe anyone on this forum would get away with outright overt abuse. That is the deterrent to anyone going too wide. The underlieing factor of respect, that we do owe one another, for the better good of the whole.

[Deputy Nutz]

Lets all be socialble without profainity.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Woody,

I see you as someone who gets nasty on occasion. I find it inexcusable, even if you are Mr. Rodgers 99% of the time.

You are right that crap really doesn't stick. When Nutz or Scott Campbell are waxing about the evil that lies within Harlan Huckleby, it doesn't really get me upset at the time, and I doubt many people change opinions because of their remarks. But it does leave sour feelings.

I get tired of people ripping into Tank. Now, he certainly does bait, and his repetitiousness gets old. But he is also good natured, and entertaining to some. How many times do we have to listen to people lecture him about hard work and the american way? It is very gutless to attack Tank, he leaves himself wide open. The tirades about Tank are more tiresome than Tank!

When disturbing people, such as myself or Tank, get personally attacked, people look the other way.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lets all be socialble without profainity.

Yes. I think we should form a good manners committee.

[Bretsky]

Can I be president ?

[Pack0514]

Only if you say PLEASE and THANK YOU.

[Noodle]

Look, I don't post in anywhere near the numbers as other folks here, but I'm a vet of JSO, and I was happy to jump over here after the other place exploded.

At some point, this thread got my stomach hurting, as it appeared that the forum was heading to JSO-ville. What really disturbs me is that people just will not stop. I remember some occassions on JSO where you'd plead with guys to just let it lie, but they'd fire often another broadside, and then we were off, racing for the bottom.

I don't mind a hard ass schtick, if well done (Guruski was great at that, Tex less inventive, but consistent), and if focused on appropriate subjects (ZBS-pro or con), and at the appropriate people (I can tell Harlan to lick my nutsack, but I probably shouldn't do that to a noob or a person who has shown in the past that they have a hair trigger).

You may call that censorship, I call it good manners, the glue that keeps a civilization, or a forum together. We don't have to all get along, but we have to pick our spots. If we don't, this thread showed how quickly we can piss this good thing away.

OK, I'm off my soapbox now. Harlan, you can lick my wrinkled nutsack.

[Joemailman]

Lets all be socialble without profainity.

F**k You!...er, I mean, what a wonderful idea, Mr. Nutz.

[Bretsky]

Look, I don't post in anywhere near the numbers as other folks here, but I'm a vet of JSO, and I was happy to jump over here after the other place exploded.

At some point, this thread got my stomach hurting, as it appeared that the forum was heading to JSO-ville. What really disturbs me is that people just will not stop. I remember some occassions on JSO where you'd plead with guys to just let it lie, but they'd fire often another broadside, and then we were off, racing for the bottom.

I don't mind a hard ass schtick, if well done (Guruski was great at that, Tex less inventive, but consistent), and if focused on appropriate subjects (ZBS-pro or con), and at the appropriate people (I can tell Harlan to lick my nutsack, but I probably shouldn't do that to a noob or a person who has shown in the past that they have a hair trigger).

You may call that censorship, I call it good manners, the glue that keeps a civilization, or a forum together. We don't have to all get along, but we have to pick our spots. If we don't, this thread showed how quickly we can piss this good thing away.

OK, I'm off my soapbox now. Harlan, you can lick my wrinkled nutsack.

I agree with everything in here; I'd prefer to keep it all peaceful as there is no need for members to get bent out of shape. The middle of this thread also reminded me of JS of old.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I echo your thoughts Noodle. What was lacking at JSO (and is creeping into this forum) is a lack of respect of other posters. Would you talk like that to someone if you were sitting in the bar with them having a drink and chatting about the world or about the Pack? Would you want to be talked to in a vulgar or abusive manner? Heck no. If I were in a conversation with someone that took a turn for the vulgar or loudly argumentative, I'd go play pool or find another spot at the bar. The bottom line is this: do unto others as you'd have done to you. I'm not here to engage in shouting matches and I left JSO to get away from those.

This is a discussion forum; not the British Parliament.

tyler

[woodbuck27]

Woody,

"I see you as someone who gets nasty on occasion. I find it inexcusable, even if you are Mr. Rodgers 99% of the time." HH

I'm not always the choir boy. I will not disagree that I won't stand strong on certain principle, and not just act as - the salivating bystander - that loves the sort of crap - that this thread got to. We all have to take a look inside. Because of where this thread went. We have alot to learn from it.

My explanation is not my excuse.

I will not label one soul that contributed anything to this thread. Yet, it went to the gutter, far sooner ( days sooner ) than when I stepped up and made a post that used profanity. I'm ashamed that I did that, took that response HH, as it offended other's. I have had to look inside of me over that shame.

That (profanity) never before happened on my part (ever) on this forum or at JSO. Does 'that fact' - offer a blanket excuse for any profanity on my part. NO ! I screwed up in that post. I let myself down too. That post was totally out of character for me.

I'm no greater than thou - sad suck person, that can't handle reading profanity. If any of you feel the need to go there, from time to time , and it's condoned on this Forum by the Power's to bring that under some decent control, then what are we even discussing here? We are who we are and the use of profanity is part and parcel of a persons style and personality. Plenty of that style prevails here, and we all do OUR best to deal with it - don't we? Sometimes better than others.

This is just my thought on this issue of profanity.

Profanity directed at any other member obsessively and an 'on attack aproach - recurrently', should not be condoned, without someone - at least trying to stop it.

If a person is attacked or anyway feels offended or insulted? Shouldn't they sometimes feel a need to defend? Do we as members, just sit back and allow that behaviour to be ongoing? Do we as members single out any one person over the rest?

Secondly. Often, this isn't a place for - 'the Anal Retentive'. We all live in a Democrasy not a Fascist State.

I hate censorship. Certainly, a Democrasy conditions a normal response to stand up for one's right of being. People should respect themselves fairly and do so to others ( all other's) and DAM we sometimes fail there.

Question to this Forum?

To what degree - how long (everyone) should profanity aimed at one member continue? Every community must have leadership that is respected; then there are the rules to protect all OUR values. If I screw up then I'll be told so, and I respect that; if I continue to screw up. Then I'll be punished fr. less - to more severley.

It's not Rocket science but playground stuff. Common sense based upon value and acknowledgement of RESPECT, DECENCY and TOLERANCE.

I don't ever want to see one single member of this forum 'singled out' and damaged - beyond 'a warning', of true merit. Power is not used properly, if it's either over used or misused.

I'm a member here and have a view on this issue. That is all I have.

I'm no hero or foe to anyone.

I'm also represented in a minority sense - as I am a Canadian Packer fan. Do i feel that ? YES ! Do I deal with that as a basis to earn respect? YES!

I try my best - to be a solid contributor to all of you people, as that is the least I can do for the privalege of my membership - to make this a better forum.

Before that - I am a Canadian and the right to exercise my democratic rights peacefully are guranteed, by my Great Country - I'm not ever denied that right in Canada. That - plus my goodwill and intelligence, gives me a sense of strength - the founded courage, to endeavour to make a situation better.

This forum isn't Canada. This is an independent website in the WW Net. I trust that it is owned, operated and governed by people that are really democratic? Thus for whatever value and merit may be found in it. I give my viewpoint on this.

As I wrote before.

I regret deeply my response on that post, because I simply allowed the whole thing to finally get to me.

I reacted at that time, because yet another "let's cool it request" on your part HH was cast aside. I was reading up through this thread and owed it to myself and all of you to read that thread in it's entirety and sit back and think. I failed there. I am sorry, and again deeply regret any afront to any member here. It will never happen as such again.

I will again - if I feel the need. Exercise my rights to express myself, but I'll never use profanity when I'm so much better equipped to express myself properly, no matter how direct otherwise, I may have to be.

I reacted 'in myself', and I could have done so with more tact and skill.

Can we all learn from this?

Where does my reaction then - get us? What will be the resolve, on the part of the leadership here - to promote growth, and be more positive in OUR community here?

I humbly suggest.

Those of you, who believe that 'pointing a finger', is the correct response. Should examine that approach - and I suggest to you - that isn't the correct response. I suggest that you look deeper inside yourselve, for more than that.

ALL getting along - all of the time. Good gracious, let's also get to REAL. We are mere human beings. Can we exercise more tact in dealing with ourselves on any advesarial stance. That is solely up to the individual and when anyone steps too far out of line, then that's a matter for the LEADERSHIP here to consider.

As Fosco33 has said. Can we all try harder to get along. Time only is the answer to that. Do we have the same as went on at JSO?

Absolutely NOT!

We are growing - as a community. We will get stronger with time.

I invite any criticisms of this post out in the openess of the forum or via personal message. I'm here to help this forum be more of what we would all enjoy. I mean - everyone here. Ed.

[KYPack]

Woody,

I see you as someone who gets nasty on occasion. I find it inexcusable, even if you are Mr. Rodgers 99% of the time.

You are right that crap really doesn't stick. When Nutz or Scott Campbell are waxing about the evil that lies within Harlan Huckleby, it doesn't really get me upset at the time, and I doubt many people change opinions because of their remarks. But it does leave sour feelings.

I get tired of people ripping into Tank. Now, he certainly does bait, and his repetitiousness gets old. But he is also good natured, and entertaining to some. How many times do we have to listen to people lecture him about hard work and the american way? It is very gutless to attack Tank, he leaves himself wide open. The tirades about Tank are more tiresome than Tank!

When disturbing people, such as myself or Tank, get personally attacked, people look the other way.

Well heck, gee whiz!

We have caught the Blue Hound this time.

You have been captured with your hands on the ladle, stirring that giant cauldron of shit.

You post once more a note of protection to cover the Baby Tanky. Tank does get attacked a lot, Because he deserves it!

The attacks on him do get annoying. About 10% as annoying as his own repetitive bullshit.

The attacks on Tank are rude, about 1% as rude as he is when he hijacks a thread (for the 2000th time)

As far as gutless, Tank of is the epitome of gutless. I've actually laid off ripping Tank because of your defenses of him in the past, but there's no need for that anymore.

He is not entertaining to some. He is entertaining to a FEW. That'd be HH, Mazzin, Fosco, & Partail, the few forum members who defend the boy (although he's had lover's quarels with some of his defense team lately).

My main beef with your whole posting philosophy on this is that you defend Tank, while attacking Woodbuck.

Tank could give a shit less what people think about him. Tank is a trool. Half troll / Half fool. He has no character so he doesn't care if somebody attacks his character.

Woodbuck is a truly sensitive person. I think he really believes all that shit he posts.

I know, Woodbuck made a fool of himself in this very thread. He tried to ride in and save Mazzin like a knight on a white horse. Unfortunately, Nutz and Zig pulled the old "invisible rope trick" on him & dumped Woody on his ass.

But the boy means well and you pissy little attack bothers him. You are a closet sensitive (read the last sentence you posted) and you don't like to be bothered, either.

A post which defends Tank (who could give a shit less) and attacks Woody (it bothers him) is wrong-headed and just plain wrong.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I echo your thoughts Noodle. What was lacking at JSO (and is creeping into this forum) is a lack of respect of other posters. Would you talk like that to someone if you were sitting in the bar with them having a drink and chatting about the world or about the Pack? Would you want to be talked to in a vulgar or abusive manner? Heck no.

This is good point. I think some people feel manly when they dish it out online. But really it is cowardly, since there are no consequences. Ya, I wish people brought there bar manners. (Just like the old gay bar joke, "Mind if I push in your stool?")

[Deputy Nutz]

I echo your thoughts Noodle. What was lacking at JSO (and is creeping into this forum) is a lack of respect of other posters. Would you talk like that to someone if you were sitting in the bar with them having a drink and chatting about the world or about the Pack? Would you want to be talked to in a vulgar or abusive manner? Heck no. If I were in a conversation with someone that took a turn for the vulgar or loudly argumentative, I'd go play pool or find another spot at the bar. The bottom line is this: do unto others as you'd have done to you. I'm not here to engage in shouting matches and I left JSO to get away from those.

This is a discussion forum; not the British Parliament.

tyler

Now I have a differently feeling about this thread verses things that happened at JSO. Namely If someone got in an argument on a thread at JSO, the argument usually carried over to several different threads and would then highjack good football threads. I admit this thread got a little salty, but guess why, you can't tell me you never got into a heated argument with your friends?

Feelings might have gotten tarnished a bit, but does that mean when a new thread pops up about whatever, that these personalities can't agree or give respectful feed back to others opinions? Maybe, maybe not, but consistent disrespect between to posters or a number of posters, that leads to threads being highjacked will most likely not be tolerated, especially in the Packer Room.

[Harlan Huckleby]

A post which defends Tank (who could give a shit less) and attacks Woody (it bothers him) is wrong-headed and just plain wrong.

Woody: hey I gave him a 99% good rating! It's true that he goes-off and brings the wood every once in a blue moon, I'm just stating the obvious. Just keepin' it real. Coppin a feel. It doesn't appear Woody took this as an attack.

Tank: KY, I think it is a matter of a personal reaction. Tank doesn't bother me. I don't see him attacking people, so I don't excuse people attacking him. Do I have to read his posts more carefully to gain a deeper insight into the Tank phenomena?