We Are One

[mraynrand]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

You beat me to it. Christian means you believe you are saved (justified) from sin through the grace of Jesus Christ (God). That doesn't have to imply anything else.

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But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

Source that he didn't?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

Exact opposite. It is Kiwon's def, perceptions and prejudices that do it. He is the one that labeled him a "christian."

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

Source that he didn't?

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort. Why don't you find out when the term "rapture" was first used.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

You beat me to it. Christian means you believe you are saved (justified) from sin through the grace of Jesus Christ (God). That doesn't have to imply anything else.

Their is the connotation and denotation. Being a christian today..when that term is used certainly doesnt' include catholics, etc. Catholics, etc. certainly dont' go around talking about personal relationships with god, being born again, etc.

But, please point out where Lincoln even subscribed to that standard (being saved through jesus).

[SkinBasket]

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort.

Source?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort.

Source?

Which of his posts do i need to reference?

[SkinBasket]

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort.

Source?

Which of his posts do i need to reference?

I think you could safely randomly select any of the 13551 and have some material to work with.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I think he sealed his fate with his statements about the greatest back ever to lace cleats for the pack...money morency.

Hard to imagine how 32 gms passed on a guy with partial's highly coveted "it" status.

[mraynrand]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

You beat me to it. Christian means you believe you are saved (justified) from sin through the grace of Jesus Christ (God). That doesn't have to imply anything else.

Their is the connotation and denotation. Being a christian today..when that term is used certainly doesnt' include catholics, etc. Catholics, etc. certainly dont' go around talking about personal relationships with god, being born again, etc.

But, please point out where Lincoln even subscribed to that standard (being saved through jesus).

I wasn't referring to Lincoln at all. only to your blanket statement about Christians. Are you now saying Catholics, etc. (whaterver etc. means) aren't Christian? What are you talking about?

[texaspackerbacker]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.

You beat me to it. Christian means you believe you are saved (justified) from sin through the grace of Jesus Christ (God). That doesn't have to imply anything else.

Their is the connotation and denotation. Being a christian today..when that term is used certainly doesnt' include catholics, etc. Catholics, etc. certainly dont' go around talking about personal relationships with god, being born again, etc.

But, please point out where Lincoln even subscribed to that standard (being saved through jesus).

Tyrone, you are lumping a lot of bogus "Christian" teachings (by bogus, I mean non-Biblical) in with the one real teaching--as stated above by aynrand.

You may even be right about Lincoln. Based on the limited knowledge of Lincoln I have, he probably had a politician's brand of Christianity--a lot more talk than real belief. Then again, maybe he meant what he said--that's not really for us to judge--and he definitely did invoke a lot of Christian-sounding words.

My question to you is: what's the big deal? Why are you so concerned--maybe even threatened--by the concept of an almost universally revered figure like Lincoln also being a Christian? If the name "Obama" was substituted for Lincoln. what would be your position then? He too tries to sound like a Christian, and IMO, there's a helluva lot more reason to doubt Obama than Lincoln.

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But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

Source that he didn't?

You are such an idiot that it doesnt' even warrant a retort. Why don't you find out when the term "rapture" was first used.

Classic Ty. Talk a big, mean game avoiding the actual question/statement at hand.