Jesus Christ

[sheepshead]

I said if it's true, you should be banned. An apology from me? Come on man, you really need to do some soul searching at many levels, I wish you well.

You made an accusation. Prove it or apologize like any real man would. While you're figuring out what the right thing to do is, I'll continue my soul searching. Real men soul search without shame.

I just asked a question, scroll back man.

See above as retail tries to unravel his tirade. You should see the profanity laced PM he sent me for asking this guy a question. If anyone wants a good time-do a search on tarlams posts as they relate to mine. Some fine fine reading to be sure. Actually really sick shit, all because, as he likes to tell, he used to stalk me on another forum. Not engage, as far as I know we never mixed it up in a thread. He never posted there to my knowledge. He just was a "fan". So, its reasonable to question ones internet habits and motivations when you are confronted with really sick stuff like that.

Certain people will not be questioned on here apparently. No matter how insulting or off the wall they are.

[Freak Out]

dont you get banded for having 2 sock puppets?

Are you attempting a serious discussion with this comment? Sorry, I'm too stupid to get it.

You and APB are clearly the same person, most forums permanently ban people that create 2 user names and use them.

[Tarlam!]

Thank you Freak Out.

Sheep, maybe in Chicago, people "ask questions" in a statement form? Can you enlighten us on that?

As to me stalking you, HAAA! I was a JSO poster well before you. I had 5000 posts there before you raised your woolly head. But, unbeknownst to you, there was an exodus from JSO of which I amongst many were a part. I admit, I still visited that place from time to time to see who was still posting.

And, I saw with disgust what you were all about. I called you out about it when you got here openly and after your PM tirades also privately.

Be a man and tell the truth. I am glad to.

Thank you again for ruining my thread.

[Dylan McKay]

I have a couple of feelings on Jesus Christ, and the religion of Christianity.

First, Jesus Christ lived on this Earth and he died on this Earth. Regardless if you take the New Testament as truth, or if you question its reliability like Tyrone summed up in his post it doesn't really matter in my opinion. Take the latter, if you can take these "stories" about Jesus and apply them to your life and try everyday, although impossible to follow the message of Jesus Christ you will be a better person, and a more loving, and caring person. You don't need to question anything about the Bible, or even Jesus himself to do this. It may not solve all of your problems, or questions about life and death, it may not even answer your questions about spirituality, but when you are lying in your death bed I don't think salvation will be that hard to find if you did apply these "stories" to your life and tried to mirror Jesus Christ.

The Christian faith has become many huge corporations all competing for the largest piece of the pie, which is of course, our dollars.

[Cleft Crusty]

... most forums permanently ban people that create 2 user names and use them.

Do they? That seems like an unfriendly thing to do.

[falco]

As to those who criticized me in this thread. With one exception (Falco), you've proven yourselves incapable of admitting when you are wrong. There is ample evidence of that. I see that as a lack of integrity. What matters, I guess, is how each of you see it.

RG, just to be clear, I have no problems with you as a poster. I would call you pretentious, but I have learned that there is a fine line between arrogance and confidence, and it is even blurrier here in the ambiguous realm of the internet. So I am not qualified to judge that.

I see nothing wrong with your postings, nor your interactions with fellow posters, except for your title of moderator. I believe if you are to hold that role, then your behavior must be beyond reproach. Even if I didn't have a problem with your heavy handed moderation, my objection would be to the fact that you don't mete out your punishment objectively.

So in other words, I put you on about the same level as the rest of the wackos in here - which is exactly the problem!

[sheepshead]

As to those who criticized me in this thread. With one exception (Falco), you've proven yourselves incapable of admitting when you are wrong. There is ample evidence of that. I see that as a lack of integrity. What matters, I guess, is how each of you see it.

RG, just to be clear, I have no problems with you as a poster. I would call you pretentious, but I have learned that there is a fine line between arrogance and confidence, and it is even blurrier here in the ambiguous realm of the internet. So I am not qualified to judge that.

I see nothing wrong with your postings, nor your interactions with fellow posters, except for your title of moderator. I believe if you are to hold that role, then your behavior must be beyond reproach. Even if I didn't have a problem with your heavy handed moderation, my objection would be to the fact that you don't mete out your punishment objectively.

So in other words, I put you on about the same level as the rest of the wackos in here - which is exactly the problem!

Golly..finally some sanity. Thank You.

[falco]

Golly..finally some sanity. Thank You.

for what it is worth, i'm neither defending nor condemning you.

[sheepshead]

Golly..finally some sanity. Thank You.

for what it is worth, i'm neither defending nor condemning you.

You didnt need to, I am happy to defend my own positions. I just thought your post was well written. Thanks again.

[texaspackerbacker]

I have a couple of feelings on Jesus Christ, and the religion of Christianity.

First, Jesus Christ lived on this Earth and he died on this Earth. Regardless if you take the New Testament as truth, or if you question its reliability like Tyrone summed up in his post it doesn't really matter in my opinion. Take the latter, if you can take these "stories" about Jesus and apply them to your life and try everyday, although impossible to follow the message of Jesus Christ you will be a better person, and a more loving, and caring person. You don't need to question anything about the Bible, or even Jesus himself to do this. It may not solve all of your problems, or questions about life and death, it may not even answer your questions about spirituality, but when you are lying in your death bed I don't think salvation will be that hard to find if you did apply these "stories" to your life and tried to mirror Jesus Christ.

The Christian faith has become many huge corporations all competing for the largest piece of the pie, which is of course, our dollars.

Too many people around here ruin too many perfectly good--interesting--threads with petty personal bickering.

I admire your idealism, Dylan. That kind of thing--living a Christ-like life whether you believe the Bible or not--is something that SHOULD transcend liberal/conservative lines--although obviously, it doesn't.

I tend to be just the opposite--a true believer who false way short of the ideal.

The real point, however, is the truth or falsehood of the most significant event of all: Christ's Resurrection from the dead.

If it is false, then everything is meaningless. The world degenerates into a social Darwinism scenario--nothing more than survival, no right or wrong, you just do what you have to do to get ahead, everybody else be damned.

On the other hand, if the story is true, then everything else, the teachings, the hope for the future, etc. all have meaning.

Hence, it must suck to be a non-believer; And it is the height of illogic to put others ahead of one's self if you are a non-believer.

[MJZiggy]

I don't think that's true at all. If it's false, then it all comes down to acting how you want to be treated. You act ethically because that is what you expect out of others and there's no longer an entity to forgive you if you screw up. Screw up and you have to live with what you did.

But Tex, you talk a good game, but you don't walk the walk. That is what people see.

[digitaldean]

The Christian faith has become many huge corporations all competing for the largest piece of the pie, which is of course, our dollars.

Partially agree with this. There are too many people who have besmirched the name of Christianity through violence, sexual misconduct, greed, etc. Televangelists galore have done more harm than good.

I will try to be brief, but I think I have to state my beliefs. Too many people use the Word of God to beat people into the ground instead of using it as the roadmap to eternal life in heaven. Also too many people believe that if you live a good life it will merit a reward to your soul.

No matter what I own, say or do, nothing can take away the things I've said, thought or done against someone else. I have my vices or faults that I struggle with, we all do to one form or another.

For that, I am condemned to hell. But only for the love of God, who wants all to be saved, am I and everyone else redeemed. Christ did live for the whole world. A pure, totally sinless life that led him to dying on the cross. He died and suffered the torment of hell for all of us and the sins we have committed. He rose from the dead to prove the final victory over evil (Satan).

If you choose not to believe it, it's your choice. If I hate or look down on someone who doesn't believe then it undercuts what I just said. All of Christianity is based on love. If God didn't love us, Christ wouldn't have come. If those who believe didn't love others, they wouldn't try sharing their faith either through their lives or in telling others about God's love. They want others to share in the joy of their faith and the joy that awaits those who believe in heaven.

This isn't meant to alienate anyone. Call me a whack job, nut case, whatever you want. Just stating what I believe. It may or may not be what you wanted to hear, but what I say comes from the heart.

I am by NO MEANS better than anyone else. If I have come across that way, directly or indirectly, that is my fault. But if I don't state what I believe - at this moment on this topic - then I am failing what I believe as well.

This is the extent that I will discuss about the topic outside of a thread I create or a similar topic that someone else starts.

Your fellow rat,
DD

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well said, Dean.

[HowardRoark]

You act ethically because that is what you expect out of others and there's no longer an entity to forgive you if you screw up. Screw up and you have to live with what you did.

Who determines whose ethics are right? And what if I don’t expect anything out of you and act accordingly?

In another thread we learned that we are all just a blip on the Evolutionary screen. Accordingly, I should look out for my survival and MY survival only. The idea of caring what others think would be ludicrous.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If those who believe didn't love others, they wouldn't try sharing their faith either through their lives or in telling others about God's love. They want others to share in the joy of their faith and the joy that awaits those who believe in heaven.

Really? How would you feel about Muslims, hindus, etc. proslytizing.

Might be hard for you to understand, but there are many of us who find your sharing to be tedious and arduous.

Do you even realize how patronizing that philosophy is?