New Owner Introduction

[Bretsky]

All this is completely at your discretion but before you lower the boom, may I suggest updating the forum rules so we know specifically what you want to avoid (and where you want to avoid it). I can easily ignore the back and forth sniping between a couple of people, especially when it is limited, and especially if it is FYI and RR forums. If you eliminate any back and forth sniping, you'll effectively reduce the population here about 80%. Do you have a specific cutoff in mind - such as no personal comments or no personal comments outside certain threads? No 'excessive' sniping? It's a tough line to walk. Anyone can see that the back and forth here is poisonous, but there are other levels of back and forth that tend to come close. I've engaged in some of that myself on FYI/RR, so I guess you could start by banning Mrayn....# !UrrK#$%#%%#! HELP....Help....help...

Look, back and forth "sniping" is one thing, but how much of that is OK? Reduce the population by 80%? Well, that assumes no one leaves because of stuff like that. Impossible to know that. If 80% leave because of "no sniping", then we aren't talking about the packers are we? If I were to ban "sniping" and "personal attacks" and you leave, but, two others who just lurk or left because they got attacked or don't like sniping start participating, then what is the difference? I'd like EVERYONE to feel welcome. Pollyannish? You bet. But why not?

I can write rules. But my experience in writing them is that then we set the least acceptable "baseline". Next, a bunch of creative people with nothing else to do, figure out how close they can get to the "stated rule" without breaking it. Not the intent of the rule, that's for sure. Then we get into a judgment area of "how close is too close". Not really different from where we are now, is it?

People know what they have to do to "get along" in forums. I'd like to try that first. Might not work, but we'll see. Got a nice PM from someone today. Gives me cause to hope.

Some people just don't like each other. Rules aren't going to fix that.

Great points

IMO a clearly defined set or rules would turn into your worst nightmare

Posters, when offended, will occasionally send your PM's if they have issues

That means more than any set of rules that will end up getting picked apart anyways

[Bretsky]

Hi Joe! Are you really a mailman?

yes...this forum is a small world...

• joe once delivered my mail
  esoxx and i got gas at the same gas station for 2.5 years
  I once gave fosco's dad a jump when his car died in the middle of nowhere in the woods of northern wisconsin in freezing cold weather.

Esoxx wife is really good looking; she kind of reminded me of my wife. I think both would rather drop their hubby off at a game and go shopping while we went to Lambeau

[mraynrand]

IMO a clearly defined set or rules would turn into your worst nightmare

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[HarveyWallbangers]

yes...this forum is a small world...

• joe once delivered my mail
  esoxx and i got gas at the same gas station for 2.5 years
  I once gave fosco's dad a jump when his car died in the middle of nowhere in the woods of northern wisconsin in freezing cold weather.

Nutz once made Bretsky steaming mad at a gas station.
Harvey taught Partial how to throw a football.
Partial taught Harvey how to play Rock Band.

[Partial]

Nah nah nah! Partial dazzled Harv and all the other onlookers with his Man Cannon. I damn near broke Nutz pinky!

In all seriousness, that was a lot of fun! Wish we had a night game again!

[Bretsky]

yes...this forum is a small world...

• joe once delivered my mail
  esoxx and i got gas at the same gas station for 2.5 years
  I once gave fosco's dad a jump when his car died in the middle of nowhere in the woods of northern wisconsin in freezing cold weather.

Nutz once made Bretsky steaming mad at a gas station.
Harvey taught Partial how to throw a football.
Partial taught Harvey how to play Rock Band.

Bretsky waxed Harvey in after bar Wiii Bowling and in a team drinking game outside of the bar on PR Game #1.

Brett remembers being next to a hot blonde gal in the drinking game.....which may improved his performance

[Fosco33]

Hi Joe! Are you really a mailman?

yes...this forum is a small world...

• joe once delivered my mail
  esoxx and i got gas at the same gas station for 2.5 years
  I once gave fosco's dad a jump when his car died in the middle of nowhere in the woods of northern wisconsin in freezing cold weather.

Quite true - my pops validated.

Falco - you should go around Bear Lake and check out the pad - he ended up building a little cottage (in process of being finished).

I'm sure he'll give you a beer if you stopped by after completion.

[Partial]

yes...this forum is a small world...

• joe once delivered my mail
  esoxx and i got gas at the same gas station for 2.5 years
  I once gave fosco's dad a jump when his car died in the middle of nowhere in the woods of northern wisconsin in freezing cold weather.

Nutz once made Bretsky steaming mad at a gas station.
Harvey taught Partial how to throw a football.
Partial taught Harvey how to play Rock Band.

Bretsky waxed Harvey in after bar Wiii Bowling and in a team drinking game outside of the bar on PR Game #1.

Brett remembers being next to a hot blonde gal in the drinking game.....which may improved his performance

That was a ton of fun at that bar too. This year we need to get rowdy again and just stay in one of the bars near the stadium and play flip cup and beer pong again. Then we'll go to the carmel kingdom... I mean oval office.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bretsky waxed Harvey in after bar Wiii Bowling and in a team drinking game outside of the bar on PR Game #1.

Brett remembers being next to a hot blonde gal in the drinking game.....which may improved his performance

Ahh... but Bretsky conveniently forgets to mention the Agassi-esque demolitioning Harvey put on Bretsky in Wii Tennis.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Specific rules would just get questioned and nitpicked to death

Not having rules leaves the door open for authoritarian attitudes by monitor(s), and actual or percieved favoritism. Two things we saw far too much of.

Saying rules would lead to nitpicking is a theory. I doubt it. And so what if somebody does argue - they will argue whether there is a rule or not.

Sounds like the admin agrees with you, which is to say he doesn't want to be constrained by no stinkin' rules himself.

Too bad, I was hoping for a little more enlightened attitude than the old boss man style.

[Sparkey]

This forum isnt big enough for the ignore feature. Is it not possible to just simply not reply to something?

The point of the ignore feature is so you don't have to read the posts of certain people to begin with. Its a lot easier to filter the garbage out.

The feature doesn't work however, if other posters quote the poster you are trying to ignore. Really a waste of overhead on a site this small, imo.

[Bretsky]

Specific rules would just get questioned and nitpicked to death

Not having rules leaves the door open for authoritarian attitudes by monitor(s), and actual or percieved favoritism. Two things we saw far too much of.
Saying rules would lead to nitpicking is a theory. I doubt it. And so what if somebody does argue - they will argue whether there is a rule or not.

See, I see you as one that want to restrict the admin. Open to authoritaran attitudes ? Sure...maybe...you just have to trust the admin to be fair. Perceived favoritism ? Maybe...but that "perceived" will always be there. IMO rules would undoubtedly lead to nitpicking, and if I was admin....which I will clearly never be....no way would I want to deal with the nitpicking. Honestly, if I formulated a clear set of rules, you'd be one of the posters I'd be worried that would be the first to use the toothpick.

If I'd create some rules, they would be undoubtedly questioned. Then, I'd be accused of playing favorites since the rules would address things that certain posters may partake in. Maybe with one rule...everybody would think............" " won't like that rule at all.

Dartboard

Doing this would just make the admin into a dart board. Not worth it.

[gex]

What happens if you have someone block, and that person then starts a thread?!?

You don't see it. You don't see any part of that user except if anyone quotes them typically. It may even block the quote of that person. Not sure. I've never had to block anyone. Skin would be the first.

2nd

[SnakeLH2006]

Specific rules would just get questioned and nitpicked to death

Not having rules leaves the door open for authoritarian attitudes by monitor(s), and actual or percieved favoritism. Two things we saw far too much of.
Saying rules would lead to nitpicking is a theory. I doubt it. And so what if somebody does argue - they will argue whether there is a rule or not.

See, I see you as one that want to restrict the admin. Open to authoritaran attitudes ? Sure...maybe...you just have to trust the admin to be fair. Perceived favoritism ? Maybe...but that "perceived" will always be there. IMO rules would undoubtedly lead to nitpicking, and if I was admin....which I will clearly never be....no way would I want to deal with the nitpicking. Honestly, if I formulated a clear set of rules, you'd be one of the posters I'd be worried that would be the first to use the toothpick.

If I'd create some rules, they would be undoubtedly questioned. Then, I'd be accused of playing favorites since the rules would address things that certain posters may partake in. Maybe with one rule...everybody would think............" " won't like that rule at all.

Dartboard

Doing this would just make the admin into a dart board. Not worth it.

Kinda that, but if no rules, then it gets crazy where no one knows where it stands. Snake's been on 5 Packer forums for ex. and no real trouble to speak of, but the nitpicking and sniping goes on regardless. The difference is with sites like FF or PackerChatters, the MODs go/went nuts and targeted peeps that posted against the favored posters (ala Joe Arrigo, even though he was found to be a fraud). That's a touchy situation, cuz the community at PC is extinct based on the MOD heavy presence and favoring posters.

The last regime here, including you Brett, had a tough time but did it well. There will always be some posters that have it out for others, but it doesn't get too extreme like JS did, as we kind of MOD'd ourselves with PM's or knowing each other, etc. This is what makes/made PR such a good site, as most of my buds aren't on here as posters, ala Snake, but read daily what goes on. Someone posted how there is character thing with many posters with that allotted freedom and I do agree. Everyone who posts here a bit has a specific flavor/character which transcends this site into our own. Some don't get along (and not gonna name names) but even those posters that stir shit up, seem to get it right from time to time with posts....as most all have some knowledge to contribute, as bottom line...this is the most Passionate site for Packer insight bar none.

Hopefully not much changes, but having rules is better than none, at least you know where you stand. I seen a few good posters go against Arrigo and the "grain" at PC get booted for no good reason. If that went down here, I'm sure PackerCats could become a reality. But, alas, Snake thinks the few things the Admin said make sense. But it is a daily struggle, I'm sure. Good luck bro, though.
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A quick question though, Administrator:

When are you gonna form your new screen name is I'm sure if you've been reading for awhile on PR that everyone here has some flavor/character, but Admin for a name is ok for now, but what is your take on the GB Packers? Will you be TT is a SLAVEMASTER or BRETT4EVA or what? Snake's LMAO, but you answered some good questions, but what is your point of view, as this forum is really pretty mutually on good behavior, but when TT or Brett come up. WATCH THE HELL OUT! LOL. Shit goes to worse sometimes as this whole forum got divided/and still is over that mess. BTW: Snake likes both. Yes, it's possible. Carry on though, young soldier. You can't be Administrator (as a screenname) forever, or will you?

[Scott Campbell]

Very interesting post Snake.

It sounds like the dysfunction is a big part of the appeal - as long as it doesn't screw up the football threads.

So perhaps the job as Administrator is to nurture constructive dysfunction.