Favre: What's With the Bashing? Some Sound Like Sad Exes....

[mraynrand]

Snake - there is already a thread for Favre discussion. If that was not your point for this thread it should not have been posted in the packers area. Consider this a warning.

So is the policy that any new Favre thread gets a warning? What is the policy? lame

I think the policy was to have 1 Favre thread in the Packer Forum so you don't end up with 15 Favre threads like we had the day the Packers traded him.

And? So what? It was pretty wild, but people settled on threads they wanted to comment on or not. But if you wanted to be treated like a child, feel free.

Don't rewrite history. Mad got sick of all the crap and we all settled on the one thread so that the forum wouldn't be completely deserted by anyone who wanted to do anything besides fight about Favre. It was done for a reason and Joe just continued what Mad did (because it's a good idea and makes sense, but damn common sense, right?).

Sure, if you have no self-control or discipline, have weak skin, etc. Sure, then you need a nanny to decide how much and how many Favre threads and comments you decide to pay attention to - people wanted to argue about it - they still do. Those who don't, avoid Favre threads and Favre discussion and participate in other threads - unless they have no discipline or self-control.

[Joemailman]

Ah yes, those days of yesteryear...

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewforum.php?f=10&topicdays=0&start=3780

[Tyrone Bigguns]

There was nothing wrong with this thread until a couple posters decided to come in and ruin our discussion. Thanks guys.

Have it in private then. Ty didn't see it labeled a Gunny and Snake private Favre thread.

You have PM, feel free to use it.

Did you read my posts in this thread Ty? I said, verbatim, this was an open discussion to anyone with anything worthwhile to add. Had it taken place in PM's nobody else could have joined the discussion should they have had anything worthwhile to say. If you don't, don't post here. Someone else might. Get it?

The point is that you are determining what is worthwhile and what ruins it. If you feel that others are doing that, or could do that..then it is best you not continue in a public forum.

Who are you to judge what is worthwhile. No insult intended.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Snake - there is already a thread for Favre discussion. If that was not your point for this thread it should not have been posted in the packers area. Consider this a warning.

So is the policy that any new Favre thread gets a warning? What is the policy? lame

I think the policy was to have 1 Favre thread in the Packer Forum so you don't end up with 15 Favre threads like we had the day the Packers traded him.

And? So what? It was pretty wild, but people settled on threads they wanted to comment on or not. But if you wanted to be treated like a child, feel free.

Don't rewrite history. Mad got sick of all the crap and we all settled on the one thread so that the forum wouldn't be completely deserted by anyone who wanted to do anything besides fight about Favre. It was done for a reason and Joe just continued what Mad did (because it's a good idea and makes sense, but damn common sense, right?).

Sure, if you have no self-control or discipline, have weak skin, etc. Sure, then you need a nanny to decide how much and how many Favre threads and comments you decide to pay attention to - people wanted to argue about it - they still do. Those who don't, avoid Favre threads and Favre discussion and participate in other threads - unless they have no discipline or self-control.

Seriously, what the fuck is your problem. The issue was solved long ago. One Favre thread.

If you don't like it, don't post here.

Most good forums have some sort of modding going on. Eliminating duplicate threads, moving threads, merging simultaneous conversations, etc.

Stop being an ass. Ty has has had his issues with joe the admin, but the consensus of the forum on this issue has long been achieved. One Favre thread.

P.S. Joe please don't view this as support for your rule. Ty still has issues with you.

[Gunakor]

There was nothing wrong with this thread until a couple posters decided to come in and ruin our discussion. Thanks guys.

Have it in private then. Ty didn't see it labeled a Gunny and Snake private Favre thread.

You have PM, feel free to use it.

Did you read my posts in this thread Ty? I said, verbatim, this was an open discussion to anyone with anything worthwhile to add. Had it taken place in PM's nobody else could have joined the discussion should they have had anything worthwhile to say. If you don't, don't post here. Someone else might. Get it?

The point is that you are determining what is worthwhile and what ruins it. If you feel that others are doing that, or could do that..then it is best you not continue in a public forum.

Who are you to judge what is worthwhile. No insult intended.

Fair enough Ty. I don't claim to be the authority on what is and is not a worthwhile contribution to someone else's conversation. My determination was simply that since your comment had no relevance whatsoever to our conversation it could not be considered a worthwhile contribution. That's a pretty fair judgement, isn't it?

We have a Bert thread for a reason.

Please explain how, in your opinion, this contribution of yours was worthwhile to the conversation we were having.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

There was nothing wrong with this thread until a couple posters decided to come in and ruin our discussion. Thanks guys.

Have it in private then. Ty didn't see it labeled a Gunny and Snake private Favre thread.

You have PM, feel free to use it.

Did you read my posts in this thread Ty? I said, verbatim, this was an open discussion to anyone with anything worthwhile to add. Had it taken place in PM's nobody else could have joined the discussion should they have had anything worthwhile to say. If you don't, don't post here. Someone else might. Get it?

The point is that you are determining what is worthwhile and what ruins it. If you feel that others are doing that, or could do that..then it is best you not continue in a public forum.

Who are you to judge what is worthwhile. No insult intended.

Fair enough Ty. I don't claim to be the authority on what is and is not a worthwhile contribution to someone else's conversation. My determination was simply that since your comment had no relevance whatsoever to our conversation it could not be considered a worthwhile contribution. That's a pretty fair judgement, isn't it?

We have a Bert thread for a reason.

Please explain how, in your opinion, this contribution of yours was worthwhile to the conversation we were having.

Do you even realize what you are saying? You now have labeled a thread as "our conversation." If it is your convo..then it should take place between you two privately. Furthermore, Ty doesn't get where you think it was your convo. Ty posted and there were maybe 3 total posts before his. That certainly doesn't qualify as a conversation nor was it established.

Also, Ty isn't personalizing your comment about worthwhile. There were other posters...you said so yourself.

It is worthwhile because it educates/admonishes a poster to not create Favre threads..or create more of them. And, it was intended to get snake and others to utilize the appropriate venue for this type of discussion.

Your discussing anything with him only feeds into the creation and justification of these type of threads.

The proof is in the pudding. He was warned by the admin and the thread was moved.

[Gunakor]

He wasn't warned by the Admin not to create these threads. He was warned not to create them in the Packer room, and Admin is right it should have been created here in the first place. Because, and listen carefully Ty because this is the point you seem to be missing, THIS ISN'T A FAVRE THREAD. At least not until everybody started bitching about it being a Favre thread anyway. When you and the others started bitching about it, it became a Favre thread.

There were others, but you are the one bantering with me about it. So now this has become a conversation between you and I. But it's still not about Favre.

So it doesn't belong in the Packer room. That's what the warning was about.

As far as "our conversation" goes, between Snake and I, 2 people can have a conversation while leaving it open to others to contribute. "Our conversation" doesn't mean just the two of us, "Our" refers to any number of people who wish to join. We'd just hope that the other contributions were at the very least relevant to what the 2 of us were discussing. Are you really that hard headed that you can't understand that? It was NOT a private conversation. It just isn't open to any old "We already have a Bert thread" comment. Keep your comments specifically to the subject matter and there's no problems.

We have a Bert thread for a reason.

Contribute something else. Or don't contribute at all. I'd prefer the latter, but you're more than entitled to be an asshole if that's what you really want. Free speech and public forum and all. Just be aware of what it is you're doing. Your comment had no relevance whatsoever to what Snake and I were talking about. You didn't have to post it. You did that of your own free will. And the only justification you can give is "Well, it was relevant to MY agenda to rid all threads with the word FAVRE in the title from these forums."

I'll bet I could start a thread with the word FAVRE in the title only to talk about Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings the entire thread, without mentioning Favre's name even once beyond the title, and I'd still be chastised for creating another FAVRE thread. That's how fucked up this situation has become. If the discussion isn't about bashing Favre for throwing INT's or putting him on a pedastal for winning a Super Bowl with the Packers, or a discussion about the messy divorce, or his time with the Jets, or his fucked up quest to bring a Lombardi Trophy to Vikingland...

It's not a Favre thread.

(which is why it was moved to the Romper Room)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He wasn't warned by the Admin not to create these threads. He was warned not to create them in the Packer room, and Admin is right it should have been created here in the first place. Because, and listen carefully Ty because this is the point you seem to be missing, THIS ISN'T A FAVRE THREAD. At least not until everybody started bitching about it being a Favre thread anyway. When you and the others started bitching about it, it became a Favre thread.

There were others, but you are the one bantering with me about it. So now this has become a conversation between you and I. But it's still not about Favre.

So it doesn't belong in the Packer room. That's what the warning was about.

As far as "our conversation" goes, between Snake and I, 2 people can have a conversation while leaving it open to others to contribute. "Our conversation" doesn't mean just the two of us, "Our" refers to any number of people who wish to join. We'd just hope that the other contributions were at the very least relevant to what the 2 of us were discussing. Are you really that hard headed that you can't understand that? It was NOT a private conversation. It just isn't open to any old "We already have a Bert thread" comment. Keep your comments specifically to the subject matter and there's no problems.

We have a Bert thread for a reason.

Contribute something else. Or don't contribute at all. I'd prefer the latter, but you're more than entitled to be an asshole if that's what you really want. Free speech and public forum and all. Just be aware of what it is you're doing. Your comment had no relevance whatsoever to what Snake and I were talking about. You didn't have to post it. You did that of your own free will. And the only justification you can give is "Well, it was relevant to MY agenda to rid all threads with the word FAVRE in the title from these forums."

I'll bet I could start a thread with the word FAVRE in the title only to talk about Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings the entire thread, without mentioning Favre's name even once beyond the title, and I'd still be chastised for creating another FAVRE thread. That's how fucked up this situation has become. If the discussion isn't about bashing Favre for throwing INT's or putting him on a pedastal for winning a Super Bowl with the Packers, or a discussion about the messy divorce, or his time with the Jets, or his fucked up quest to bring a Lombardi Trophy to Vikingland...

It's not a Favre thread.

(which is why it was moved to the Romper Room)

1. Yes. Not to create it in the packer forum. Who said differently? Ty's post was that there was a bert thread for a reason. what you are doing is changing what the admin said. He stated there was a Favre thread..and if it wasn't the intent then it shouldn't have been posted there. So, no, you are wrong about the warning. There is nothing from the admin that even remotely suggests that he believes snake mistakenly posted it in the wrong forum. His first thought is that there is a favre thread.
2. Dude, the title of the thread is Favre: what is with the bashing. Sorry, it is a favre thread.
3. Bitching? Dude, you need to get off your high horse. Simply stating there is a reason for the favre thread ain't bitching. And, those that are bitching are RIGHT. They are tired of Favre threads...no matter how tangential they may appear. Like Ty said, the proof is in the pudding, thread moved and snake warned.
4. conversation. Dude, you are flat out wrong. Ty posted at 3 posts. That ain't a conversation and it clearly wasn't established. Nor, most importantly, was it ever established that it was tween you and snake. If you two want to create threads and determine what is worthwhile there is a simple solution..start your own message board. Ty is sorry to tell you that a conversation isn't determined by two people. YOu guys don't get to determine the course of the conversation.
5. It is you that is hard headed. Threads evolve and devolve all the time. That is the truth, face it. And, again, 3 posts in doesn't establish anything.
6. Again, you are determining relevance. Sorry, but you arent' the mod. And, your thread is part of the packer forum. It exists within a framework and a history. If you can't see that then there is really no hope for you. Titling a thread called favre: what is with the bashing...is going to get certain responses. What you fail to understand is that some people aren't going to read snake's diatribe and your response..they are gonna respond strictly to
the thread title. Wow..is that really so hard or unusual that you dont' understand it?
7. You are prolly right. People would react. Knowing that, why are you being so dense as to criticize people for making the posts they did? Do you live in the real world or pretend? If you know that people are gonna react why do you get upset about not making worthwhile posts.

The simple fact is that the thread shouldn't have been started in the Packer forum and many of us are/were tired of that shit long ago. YOu can argue about it not being a favre thread, but you are splitting hairs. It is a favre thread.

I dont' know what you were reading but here are some selected parts of snake's original post:

Packers are out the playoffs, so it's time to root for some Brett.

Go Brett, I'd love to see him keep up his amazing season at 40 and win another SuperBowl. I never get tired of seeing that guy play...and fucking amazing he's one of the top 5 players in the league at 40.

We are never going to see another player in sports for a long time as fun, charismatic, and engaging, and as good as Brett has been as an NFL QB for a long time. I don't look at him as a traitor, but as a dude that wanted to prove himself and did in spades (as he was traded) to a shithole team, and now has a chance to redeem himself. He's demonstrated that he's still MVP worthy at 40 at the toughest position in all of sports. I respect the hell out of that.

Quit the fucking bitching/bashing and enjoy history in progress. You won't see another QB of his stature/winning ability/physical prowess again anytime soon. Rare breed indeed. Amazing player that wills teams to win and is SO fun to watch....Peyton is great (for ex.) but has no charisma (could care less about the guy). Favre = winning (maybe not playoffs/SB's overall) but you always get the opportunity to win.

Go Brett...Go Brett. Get that 2nd ring.

Yeah, it ain't a Favre thread. You really need to stop with this foolishness. It most certainly was a Favre thread.

A thread telling us to stop bashing him. A thread about extolling his accomplishments. A thread about how great he is, won't see another like him anytime soon, and how he is better (personality wise) than Peyton.

Yeah, certainly not a Favre thread. Yikes.

What you dont' get is that is that it was a Favre thread, but in your conversation evolved into something else and that is why it was moved.

[Gunakor]

1. If the admin thought it was most certainly another Favre thread he'd have deleted it altogether, not moved it to the Romper Room. He moved it to the Romper Room because the discussion isn't football related, thus has no business in the Packer room. I agreed with that assesment. Glad you do to. No arguments there. But as far as I'm concerned, new Favre threads don't belong in the Romper Room either. They don't belong at all. If this really was another thread dedicated to Brett it wouldn't exist anymore. Or at least it shouldn't.

2. Again with the title. Get past the title to the meat of the discussion.

3. You are tired of Favre threads. But it wasn't a Favre discussion, just a Favre title. If you can't tolerate Favre titles, what are YOU doing at a public forum?

4. By the time Ty posted in this thread the topic had already been diverted from the bashing of Favre to bashing of other posters. And even if it hadn't yet, you still have the option of just ignoring what we're talking about rather than butting in. Our Admin will do what he does regardless how you feel about it, so you don't have to add your 2 cents. And as I've been saying all night, it wasn't a private conversation between Snake and I. I don't know where you get the private discussion part of it from. I have said repeatedly that it was an open discussion to anybody willing to comment on the topic we were discussing.

5. Correct, threads evolve all the time. Nobody is disputing that, obviously, since a thread whose title starts with the word FAVRE evolves into a different topic. This one had evolved before the 3rd post when you jumped in. In fact, this whole thread was an evolution of something Snake posted in the Favre thread just before this one was started. But as you've established in #6, the title of a thread is all that matters.

6. If your lazy ass can't be bothered to read a discussion before commenting on it, that's your problem. Don't begin to call out others because you are too lazy to read what they've said. I understand there are many, MANY people like you who likewise wouldn't be bothered to read a discussion before commenting on it. But only a few commented in THIS thread, which is the only one I'm arguing with you. And there is only ONE who is continuing to argue this with me. So don't be surprised if my comments are directed at you.

I agree with your simple fact. I've stated this time after time in this thread that it should have been started in the Romper Room rather than the Packer room. Did you read that in any of my previous posts, or can't you be bothered to read those either now that we're actually having this discussion. I'm with you on this one. But the Admin wasn't on during the middle of the night when Snake created it, while I was on during the middle of the night to comment on it. As soon as Admin saw the thread it was moved, and you haven't heard one complaint from me. I'm glad we can agree on at least ONE simple fact.

I had also commented on the original post, and how it took me a whole 30 minutes to divert the discussion away from that. I wouldn't expect you to get this if you weren't privy to his other posts that night, but this post was immediately following a post made by Snake in the Favre thread telling everybody to quit bashing 007. I knew where his mindset was at the time and diverted the conversation to that topic. And, again, if you had bothered to read the entire discussion rather than just the title and original post, you'd have gotten to this:

That's fine, but seeing certain posters get shit for supporting Brett makes me angry. State your points, but don't make them personal. Seen too much of that lately. Not everyone has to like everyone or the players. Agreed. Keep it off limits to not rip on certain peeps that like certain players and it's a-ok That's what I was sick of seeing.

That's what he was really arguing. Believe me, I understand if you didn't know, but I did and that's the conversation we ended up having. So I really didn't see the problem with having that discussion. But it annoys Ty, so I guess we shouldn't have it anymore. Sorry Ty. I'll refrain from discussing topics that aren't to your liking in the future.

[sheepshead]

Snake - there is already a thread for Favre discussion. If that was not your point for this thread it should not have been posted in the packers area. Consider this a warning.

So is the policy that any new Favre thread gets a warning? What is the policy? lame

I think the policy was to have 1 Favre thread in the Packer Forum so you don't end up with 15 Favre threads like we had the day the Packers traded him.

It is really that simple. Was it any fun to read this when every other post was "ANOTHER FAVRE THREAD?". Then I comment that we already have a Favre thread and hear "WOW, WE BROKE THE RULES? WHAT RULES".

ridiculous.

I think you're ridiculous. Your so called rules are arbitrary and absurd. One Favre thread only? Really? lame. But hey, it's your web site.

I agree. Im missing something here I guess. I thought it was a good discussion. I never even opened the other threads, they got too big to deal with.

[SnakeLH2006]

Snake - there is already a thread for Favre discussion. If that was not your point for this thread it should not have been posted in the packers area. Consider this a warning.

So is the policy that any new Favre thread gets a warning? What is the policy? lame

I think the policy was to have 1 Favre thread in the Packer Forum so you don't end up with 15 Favre threads like we had the day the Packers traded him.

It is really that simple. Was it any fun to read this when every other post was "ANOTHER FAVRE THREAD?". Then I comment that we already have a Favre thread and hear "WOW, WE BROKE THE RULES? WHAT RULES".

ridiculous.

I think you're ridiculous. Your so called rules are arbitrary and absurd. One Favre thread only? Really? lame. But hey, it's your web site.

I agree. Im missing something here I guess. I thought it was a good discussion. I never even opened the other threads, they got too big to deal with.

I agree. One topic for Favre stuff?....Who really has time to check 20 new pages a week on a topic? I rarely check that topic cuz it just overflows and is a real pain to dig through a cumbersome mess of pages to find out what's new and isn't new. With as fast as new topics come and go around here, I look to post new topics and read new topics. Why not have only 5 megatopics, then, to avoid warnings for posting to the wrong section or topic?

To Gun: You were right, sir. Favre was just a title word for the most part, as you were correct in your assessment. You saw the point, as I like our early morning conversations. We might differ on opinions at times, but usually have a deece conversation about things without being pricks about it. I would have added more, but lose any passion seeing Ty ride in to derail thread after thread, as per his MO.

[Patler]

This isn't a Favre thread? Yet Favre is referred to in every paragraph and virtually every sentence of the very lengthy originating post. It wasn't limited to the title by a long shot.

Soooo...it's not about Favre, its about the attitudes of some people about other people's attitudes about Favre? It's about the competing attitudes about Favre? Is that what you mean? And you didn't think that would instigate discussion about Favre?

That is what I hate most about this whole Favre saga. It has made otherwise rational people irrational. It has made logical people illogical. On both sides of the issue. The irrationality and illogicality are not limited to the pro-Favre group or the anti-Favre group. They are very broad-based.

[mraynrand]

Snake - there is already a thread for Favre discussion. If that was not your point for this thread it should not have been posted in the packers area. Consider this a warning.

So is the policy that any new Favre thread gets a warning? What is the policy? lame

I think the policy was to have 1 Favre thread in the Packer Forum so you don't end up with 15 Favre threads like we had the day the Packers traded him.

And? So what? It was pretty wild, but people settled on threads they wanted to comment on or not. But if you wanted to be treated like a child, feel free.

Don't rewrite history. Mad got sick of all the crap and we all settled on the one thread so that the forum wouldn't be completely deserted by anyone who wanted to do anything besides fight about Favre. It was done for a reason and Joe just continued what Mad did (because it's a good idea and makes sense, but damn common sense, right?).

Sure, if you have no self-control or discipline, have weak skin, etc. Sure, then you need a nanny to decide how much and how many Favre threads and comments you decide to pay attention to - people wanted to argue about it - they still do. Those who don't, avoid Favre threads and Favre discussion and participate in other threads - unless they have no discipline or self-control.

Seriously, what the fuck is your problem. The issue was solved long ago. One Favre thread.

If you don't like it, don't post here.

Most good forums have some sort of modding going on. Eliminating duplicate threads, moving threads, merging simultaneous conversations, etc.

Stop being an ass. Ty has has had his issues with joe the admin, but the consensus of the forum on this issue has long been achieved. One Favre thread.

P.S. Joe please don't view this as support for your rule. Ty still has issues with you.

See, I can just ignore this. Just like I can ignore Favre threads or Favre discussion in other non-Favre-titled threads. Or I can choose to respond, without name-calling. Pretty simple, for those who have self-control.

[mraynrand]

This isn't a Favre thread? Yet Favre is referred to in every paragraph and virtually every sentence of the very lengthy originating post. It wasn't limited to the title by a long shot.

Soooo...it's not about Favre, its about the attitudes of some people about other people's attitudes about Favre? It's about the competing attitudes about Favre? Is that what you mean? And you didn't think that would instigate discussion about Favre?

That is what I hate most about this whole Favre saga. It has made otherwise rational people irrational. It has made logical people illogical. On both sides of the issue. The irrationality and illogicality are not limited to the pro-Favre group or the anti-Favre group. They are very broad-based.

Well, the thread has become one about how to regulate a web site, especially for content that disrupts the site. "One Favre thread" appears to be the rule, with allowances for mentioning Favre in other threads. Admin will determine whether a non-Favre thread has become too Favrey to continue I suppose. I understand the need, since there are those who cannot resolve these issues on their own - (simply by stepping away from threads with the word "Favre" in them) or those who cannot engage in conversation without personal attacks, name-calling, vulgarities, etc. I also understand that there a those who incessantly PM the admin and complain, so I guess I can't blame the admin for wanting to just end the discussion. It's his forum - I get it. I think it's lame, but I think that's because I have self-control, very seldom attack posters (not counting FYI), and never complain to the admin via PM.

[MJZiggy]

Snake - there is already a thread for Favre discussion. If that was not your point for this thread it should not have been posted in the packers area. Consider this a warning.

So is the policy that any new Favre thread gets a warning? What is the policy? lame

I think the policy was to have 1 Favre thread in the Packer Forum so you don't end up with 15 Favre threads like we had the day the Packers traded him.

And? So what? It was pretty wild, but people settled on threads they wanted to comment on or not. But if you wanted to be treated like a child, feel free.

Don't rewrite history. Mad got sick of all the crap and we all settled on the one thread so that the forum wouldn't be completely deserted by anyone who wanted to do anything besides fight about Favre. It was done for a reason and Joe just continued what Mad did (because it's a good idea and makes sense, but damn common sense, right?).

Sure, if you have no self-control or discipline, have weak skin, etc. Sure, then you need a nanny to decide how much and how many Favre threads and comments you decide to pay attention to - people wanted to argue about it - they still do. Those who don't, avoid Favre threads and Favre discussion and participate in other threads - unless they have no discipline or self-control.

Seriously, what the fuck is your problem. The issue was solved long ago. One Favre thread.

If you don't like it, don't post here.

Most good forums have some sort of modding going on. Eliminating duplicate threads, moving threads, merging simultaneous conversations, etc.

Stop being an ass. Ty has has had his issues with joe the admin, but the consensus of the forum on this issue has long been achieved. One Favre thread.

P.S. Joe please don't view this as support for your rule. Ty still has issues with you.

See, I can just ignore this. Just like I can ignore Favre threads or Favre discussion in other non-Favre-titled threads. Or I can choose to respond, without name-calling. Pretty simple, for those who have self-control.

And exactly who around here are you thinking has self control. The reason one Favre thread was formed is precisely because folks around here lack your self-professed self control. (like you've never in the history of this forum gotten carried away and called someone a name? Please.) Favre gets people's dander up. The reason other forums don't have this going on is because they don't allow the discussion at all.