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I've read the Big Ben thread and also a private PM from FavreChild (answered privately), but wanted to take a moment to address a few things that were said in that thread.
There seems to be several people who have refrained from posting recently. Part of that I'm sure is the offseason. Part of that I am equally sure is related to Favre and the Vikings and their success this season. Some of the remainder is for various reasons, one of which may be FavreChild's reason.
FavreChild, I don't know you, and from the look of things you had mostly stopped posting long before I came around. I want you to know that I understand your point, and certainly see in Justin Harrell's posting that night what you found objectionable. As I read the thread from front to back Saturday afternoon (after I read your PM), I found myself shaking my head on more than a couple of occasions. After thinking about it yesterday evening and this morning, I decided to edit one of his posts, and then I decided to leave the thread open. Maybe I'll live to regret that, I don't know, but we'll see.
Differing opinions happen on every forum, about almost every issue out there. I know that this forum has lost a number of members over the Favre issue. Sadly, that will probably continue. That's why I keep restricting it to one thread. That works in a limited sort of a way. Keeping it all segregated there means that you have to want to talk about it to venture in there. If I had created a Favre forum, or banned talk of him, I think it would have been worse. A forum would have looked a lot like FYI (a dearth of discussion, just mindless whining and complaining), and not talking about Favre on a Packer forum just wouldn't work. It was the best of a bunch of bad options.
Banning posters and stifling points of view is kind of the same thing. In this case, Justin Harrell has proven for the hundredth time that he is incapable of (and not concerned with) understanding how someone else will view his perspective. I don't think there is anything out there that a woman would take a dimmer view on than rape or an accusation of such. Seeing a perspective that takes a dissmissive viewpoint of rape isn't going to settle well with almost anyone, but honestly there is always someone.
I've banned several people since I've been here. Justin is about the only one who was reinstated and wasn't ultimately banned again. He walks a fine line. In one sense he has been better since he's been back, and in the other, can you really say he's been better when he insults dozens of folks with his "middle ages" viewpoint of crime or potential crime?
At the end of the day, I'll ban someone and never look back when it becomes clear by their actions that what they think is the "only" thing that's important. Partial and Tyrone are two examples of that. At the end of the day, they were going to say what they wanted and didn't care what the results were. I bid them farewell.
I received several comments via PM during their whole meltdowns that "If I didn't take immediate action", then I'd lose that poster. I'd thank people for pointing out the problem, and I'd sometimes try to resolve it, but I never banned anyone under that type of threat, and I never will.
FavreChild, if we've lost you over Justin Harrell, I'm very sad to hear that. I certainly don't want you to leave, and I will miss your contribution. But if I made decisions based on these perspectives, one by one, we'd all be gone. Eventually this forum would be left with one small "power faction" who would "tell us all" what to do. It's pretty clear that no one wants that.
We're going to have differing opinions from time to time. Posters are going to "step into it" as Justin clearly has this time, and several other times. Hopefully most of us learn from it. A few of us won't. I'll bid anyone goodbye when they reach the level of ignoring common sense and etiquette that Partial and Tyrone reached.
I'll leave this thread open for a while, again, perhaps again against my better judgment, to get your thoughts, but I caution each of you to leave the sarcasm at the door, and the personal attacks as well. If you want to "bitch" about a certain poster, use my PM. I read them all and will respond. If you want to tell me why you've stopped posting, I'd love to hear that as well. Too often, someone just wanders away and doesn't tell us the real problem. Most of the time, there is a solution if we know about it and meet in the middle.
There seems to be several people who have refrained from posting recently. Part of that I'm sure is the offseason. Part of that I am equally sure is related to Favre and the Vikings and their success this season. Some of the remainder is for various reasons, one of which may be FavreChild's reason.
Originally posted by FavreChild
Differing opinions happen on every forum, about almost every issue out there. I know that this forum has lost a number of members over the Favre issue. Sadly, that will probably continue. That's why I keep restricting it to one thread. That works in a limited sort of a way. Keeping it all segregated there means that you have to want to talk about it to venture in there. If I had created a Favre forum, or banned talk of him, I think it would have been worse. A forum would have looked a lot like FYI (a dearth of discussion, just mindless whining and complaining), and not talking about Favre on a Packer forum just wouldn't work. It was the best of a bunch of bad options.
Banning posters and stifling points of view is kind of the same thing. In this case, Justin Harrell has proven for the hundredth time that he is incapable of (and not concerned with) understanding how someone else will view his perspective. I don't think there is anything out there that a woman would take a dimmer view on than rape or an accusation of such. Seeing a perspective that takes a dissmissive viewpoint of rape isn't going to settle well with almost anyone, but honestly there is always someone.
I've banned several people since I've been here. Justin is about the only one who was reinstated and wasn't ultimately banned again. He walks a fine line. In one sense he has been better since he's been back, and in the other, can you really say he's been better when he insults dozens of folks with his "middle ages" viewpoint of crime or potential crime?
At the end of the day, I'll ban someone and never look back when it becomes clear by their actions that what they think is the "only" thing that's important. Partial and Tyrone are two examples of that. At the end of the day, they were going to say what they wanted and didn't care what the results were. I bid them farewell.
I received several comments via PM during their whole meltdowns that "If I didn't take immediate action", then I'd lose that poster. I'd thank people for pointing out the problem, and I'd sometimes try to resolve it, but I never banned anyone under that type of threat, and I never will.
FavreChild, if we've lost you over Justin Harrell, I'm very sad to hear that. I certainly don't want you to leave, and I will miss your contribution. But if I made decisions based on these perspectives, one by one, we'd all be gone. Eventually this forum would be left with one small "power faction" who would "tell us all" what to do. It's pretty clear that no one wants that.
We're going to have differing opinions from time to time. Posters are going to "step into it" as Justin clearly has this time, and several other times. Hopefully most of us learn from it. A few of us won't. I'll bid anyone goodbye when they reach the level of ignoring common sense and etiquette that Partial and Tyrone reached.
I'll leave this thread open for a while, again, perhaps again against my better judgment, to get your thoughts, but I caution each of you to leave the sarcasm at the door, and the personal attacks as well. If you want to "bitch" about a certain poster, use my PM. I read them all and will respond. If you want to tell me why you've stopped posting, I'd love to hear that as well. Too often, someone just wanders away and doesn't tell us the real problem. Most of the time, there is a solution if we know about it and meet in the middle.
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