A response to FavreChild and others regarding Posting

[swede]

I would just add, since the thread was just tangentially about NFL football and had nothing at all to do with Packer football, moving it the the Garbage Can with an explanation as to why and a brief warning would have sufficed, and I think that that should still probably happen. There is very, very little in that thread that was moving a football discussion forward.

"Big Ben in trouble again: What does this mean for the Steelers?" is a football topic.

"Big Ben sexually assaults a young lady and the charges are dropped: Did he get away with rape?" is Romper Room.

I think you do a pretty good job of letting this little blogosphere rock on all by itself, Joe. You let people have their say. You've handled some problems. When a thread crosses a line from one forum to another, move it. I think you have a really good sense for when that is.

I would echo what Tarlam said. Locking it up and letting people visiting the football forum see the car wreck inside is probably counterproductive.

[Administrator]

Joe, is it safe to assume we could continue the discussion here in the RR?

Probably. Most issues I'd say "yes" without question. This one? Well I have some understanding for the viewpoint of our female rats. This one issue is clearly about "power" and control and that control is directed towards them. I think contemplating that these things "could happen TO you" without your consent, and at a time where your judgment might be impaired would be pretty overwhelming.

Keep that in mind with regard to your discussion and don't do it in this thread.

[Administrator]

I would echo what Tarlam said. Locking it up and letting people visiting the football forum see the car wreck inside is probably counterproductive.

Good point Tarlam & Swede. I'll move it.

[Bretsky]

I understand its way too late to change anything, and its their own faults that their gone, but I think this place is much less interesting w/o partial and tyrone.

I'd prefer to see no censorship at all (or only in dire cases, such as LJ) but I do think what admin has done has cleaned this place up.

It's an impossible situation. I think it's safe to figure that posters left due to their sometimes very disrespectful tone. And more would have left.

Also, they were probably impossilbe to manage and from an admin standpoint they had to be a nightmare.

No perfect solution

[Tarlam!]

No. And that isn't why I edited them.

Harrell's photo was in poor taste considering the discussion that went on previously. That's why I blew it away. Scott and Harrell were headed down another discussion that was not likely to end well considering the last one, and, it wasn't football related either so I blew it away and closed the thread. Sometimes you gotta cut your losses and move on.

I didn't quote it, but your post about refraining from posting a comment because it was at best marginally related to Rothlisberger and the situation was spot on. That "thought" wasn't going to happen with others. Initially it looked like maybe that discussion was getting back to football or the fallout from the situation, but that didn't last. So, the purpose of the thread was over at that point.

Thanks for the explaination, but wouldn't it have been prudent to dump it in the GC and avoid cenring anything? Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but I feel I need to be clearer on what you did.

The whole thread had nothing to do with BR the Steelers QB playing football from the first post onwards. It was about BR the alleged rapist. The only football content was where he might find a landing spot and there were maybe five posts on that in 6 odd pages. So, if one were to use your measuring stick, Joe, it shouldn't have lasted as long as it did on the Packers forum.

Packer Rats was initially a democracy. The members voted on how this place was run. In the first few days, on a daily basis. I think it's positve that there are stricter rules in place e.g. The Favre rule has done wonders for the place.

Your administrative conduct in this matter seems to be an appeasment attempt to one poster that took issue with another poster. Further, you cencored posts.

It was mixed into the concrete foundations of this place that that would never happen, provided we use the appropriate forums for the posts we chose to make. Threads were often moved, I think one or two were deleted. Nothing else was cencored.

I value my right to sharing my opinions around here if they are posted within the rules and not personally attacking anyone, even if they might offend some people. I also value reading other people's views, even if they are offensive.

I, for one, would like to know if cencorship of this kind can be expected in future.

[Scott Campbell]

He listened, and then did what was suggested to fix it. Sounds pretty democratic to me. I've got no issue with how it turned out. If he could restore the deleted posts - great. If not, no biggie.

[Administrator]

I understand its way too late to change anything, and its their own faults that their gone, but I think this place is much less interesting w/o partial and tyrone.

I'd prefer to see no censorship at all (or only in dire cases, such as LJ) but I do think what admin has done has cleaned this place up.

You make good points. FWIW, I miss Partial and Tyrone too (in some ways).

Partial dug up all kinds of football stories and posted links. Sometimes those links actually added to the discussion at hand and generated great threads. However, he was like the little kid that was picked on in grade school. He'd just make it worse. Toward the end, he decided he was going to fight back, and that was a train wreck too. He never wrapped his hands around the idea that he helped create his predicament, and as a result, didn't and couldn't get out of it.

Tyrone added to the discussion and is probably quite a bright guy in person. But, he wasn't capable of attacking an idea without attacking a person in the process. Towards the end, he didn't add very much and just went from thread to thread attacking other people and their ideas. That just led to more of these Rothlisberger type threads and a lot of hurt feelings in the process.

What is really unfortunate is that we lost mraynrand & to a lesser extent bobblehead because of losing tyrone. Not sure at all what to do about that, but I'd fix it if I could.

PS - By "lesser extent" I meant that bobblehead comes in occasionally, mraynrand is just gone....

[Scott Campbell]

I said that the only times I've ever had casual sex was when I was completely wasted and the times I did, I regretted just about every one.

What's to regret? Harlan said you were a complete gentleman.

[RashanGary]

I understand, Admin.

I tried to shed some light on the whole, "boys being boys" picture/comment. Hopefully anyone who misunderstood or was offended understands that I meant well with that post. I meant to bring to light the negative, hurtful, enabling attitude that is sometimes carried in these situations. The way FC responded to me, I think she saw it exactly as I hoped people would see it. It was a pretty smart post, probably one of my more helpful, impactful ones because it really showed something important, but I should have found a way to make sure everyone knew my stance on the matter too, so they didn't get mad at me, but rather had empathy for the victims.

[Tarlam!]

He listened, and then did what was suggested to fix it. Sounds pretty democratic to me. I've got no issue with how it turned out. If he could restore the deleted posts - great. If not, no biggie.

Ja, I took too long writing my post and didn't check the thread status before hitting the submit.

Still, I respectfully would like to know if things are a' changin'

[Administrator]

Thanks for the explaination, but wouldn't it have been prudent to dump it in the GC and avoid cenring anything? Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but I feel I need to be clearer on what you did.

The whole thread had nothing to do with BR the Steelers QB playing football from the first post onwards. It was about BR the alleged rapist. The only football content was where he might find a landing spot and there were maybe five posts on that in 6 odd pages. So, if one were to use your measuring stick, Joe, it shouldn't have lasted as long as it did on the Packers forum.

Packer Rats was initially a democracy. The members voted on how this place was run. In the first few days, on a daily basis. I think it's positve that there are stricter rules in place e.g. The Favre rule has done wonders for the place.

Your administrative conduct in this matter seems to be an appeasment attempt to one poster that took issue with another poster. Further, you cencored posts.

It was mixed into the concrete foundations of this place that that would never happen, provided we use the appropriate forums for the posts we chose to make. Threads were often moved, I think one or two were deleted. Nothing else was cencored.

I value my right to sharing my opinions around here if they are posted within the rules and not personally attacking anyone, even if they might offend some people. I also value reading other people's views, even if they are offensive.

I, for one, would like to know if cencorship of this kind can be expected in future.

Well, it's never "clear" what to do in these situations. In hindsight, yeah I probably should have either closed the topic, or dumped it elsewhere, but there is a perspective that I think you're missing. Maybe a female rat will weigh in with her thoughts on this one as she could probably state it better than I.

Will I "censor" posts in the future? Hope not. Probably done it less than 2 dozen times in the year I've owned this place. Moved threads much more often. But, I won't take away the "tool" from my tool belt. You had a good idea about removing the comment from Madtown's rules and I will do that.

As to why I left the thread in the Packer room - First, hadn't read the whole thing until FavreChild pointed it out to me. Second, not much discussion going on right now, and moving it out of the packer room would have been the death of the discussion (In hindsight that's a good thing but up front, it wouldn't have been so clear), and finally it was "tangentally" related to football and current news and I want to have some leeway for that. In the end, the pollyannish hope is that folks will remember that they are in the packer room and temper their comments accordingly, but maybe that isn't realistic at all.

FWIW, I'm glad you're back and hope you'll stick around for a while.

[Administrator]

in hindsight I guess I shouldn't edit a few posts, start a thread in the Romper Room and then leave for an hour to pick up speaker wire and an electrical box at Home Depot....

[swede]

What is really unfortunate is that we lost mraynrand & to a lesser extent bobblehead because of losing tyrone.

What good is Batman and Robin without the Joker?

Just a couple of sad old guys in tights.

[Tarlam!]

What good is Batman and Robin without the Joker?

Just a couple of sad old guys in tights.

Swede, you need to get out a bit. The TV show you watch are just re-runs. They have new really cool suits now that are awesome. Check 'em out at your DVD rental.

[Administrator]

I moved the posts relating to the "rape" discussion to a separate thread because I didn't want the "confusion" related to what we were discussing.

Please see this thread if you wish to consider the discussion of what constitutes rape.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=20398

Post here if you wish to comment on posting in general..