Another boring money post

[Zool]

I guess that rules out Harlan.

This made me laugh quite loud.

[Zool]

you think backwards. You get what you get with the apple. I have the freedom to change it, and I prefer it that way.

This proved you are biased against Apple without direct foundation. Its actually quite common.

[Zool]

I will assume that's your way of saying masta p is right

This is why people think you're a blowhard douche.

[Zool]

The 3 preceding posts show I have little to add. Thank you for your time.

[Freak Out]

I'm going to upgrade phones here soon (the next month or so), my Nexus one is getting long in the tooth and my car dock/Satnav mount broke. I'm seriously looking at a windows phone. I have no problem with the Android OS and it's always getting better but I liked what In saw on a beta windows phone a friend has.

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I'm going to upgrade phones here soon (the next month or so), my Nexus one is getting long in the tooth and my car dock/Satnav mount broke. I'm seriously looking at a windows phone. I have no problem with the Android OS and it's always getting better but I liked what In saw on a beta windows phone a friend has.

Do it. Windows phone is sexy. Might want to wait for a hardware spec refresh (unless they just did it). The 1 ghz 2nd gen snapdragons are looking at little long in the tooth compared to the dual core Cortex A9 based chips.

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http://9to5mac.com/2011/09/22/why-android-isnt-catching-up-to-ipad-yet-gartner-says-its-the-software-stupid/

Gartner today revised their tablet numbers in the face of iPad’s dominance and weakening competition. Of the 63.6 million media tablets projected to ship this year, Gartner expects Apple’s iPad to account for nearly three-quarters of the global market, of 73.4 percent. The figure is based on an estimated 47 million iPads this year, a 9.6 percentage points drop from the 83 percent market share in 2010.

As for Android, about eleven million Android tablets should ship in the calendar year 2011 for a 17.3 percent market share

Apple delivers a superior and unified user experience across its hardware, software and services. Unless competitors can respond with a similar approach, challenges to Apple’s position will be minimal. Apple had the foresight to create this market and in doing that planned for it as far as component supplies such as memory and screen. This allowed Apple to bring the iPad out at a very competitive price and no compromise in experience among the different models that offer storage and connectivity options.

Gartner has pared back its estimates for Android tablet sales in 2011 by 28% over last quarter’s projections, identifying extremely weak adoption due to high prices, user interface issues, and limited app offerings. Only some success in low-cost Asian markets and strong expectations for Amazon’s forthcoming tablet kept Gartner from slashing projected Android device sales even further.

[Freak Out]

Do it. Windows phone is sexy. Might want to wait for a hardware spec refresh (unless they just did it). The 1 ghz 2nd gen snapdragons are looking at little long in the tooth compared to the dual core Cortex A9 based chips.

Ya....I won't buy the current line of phones supporting windows. I'll wait for the refresh. Supposedly there is going to be a onslaught of phones here in the next month or two...IOS, Android and Windows.

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Ya....I won't buy the current line of phones supporting windows. I'll wait for the refresh. Supposedly there is going to be a onslaught of phones here in the next month or two...IOS, Android and Windows.

Mango is two weeks away. Lots of money to be made if you can dev for WP7. There aren't any apps and adoption is going to sky rocket.

[retailguy]

This proved you are biased against Apple without direct foundation. Its actually quite common.

At this stage of the game, I probably am completely biased against Apple. I have a lot of frustration related to their products, how they market them, and how they keep tight controls and mandates over stupid things. In spite of this, I was actually very close to buying an IPAD 2 recently. But the apple blowhard convinced me that I wanted nothing to do with the products and their followers (mostly the followers).... so I bought an android tablet. I'm very glad I did.

To summarize my frustrations with Apple products:

I find it maddening to no end that apple mandates ITUNES. There is no reason for it, other than control. It's a crappy program, with subpar features. It has kept me from buying any IPOD devices, and is one of the major reasons that the IPAD 1's that my girls have are so frustrating for me to use. I simply despise ITUNES.

Next, the proprietary cables necessary to use additional functionality on the IPAD's my girls have is also frustrating. Yes, I realize that this is not exclusively Apple related, other companies have proprietary cabling as well, but it goes hand in hand with Apple's business model, a model that I don't like and do my damndest not to support.

Finally, there is no reason not to support flash. I understand that technology is changing, but there are a multitude of sites using flash today, and to not support it? Stupid. Move technology, change the direction, that's fine, but support the standard while it's the standard.... To do anything else is indefensible.

I have no direct experience with a mac, or a macbook, or a macbook air. I haven't used a mac since college in the late 80's. Seriously. I have no interest in their computers, and no need to own one or want one. I only buy thinkpads. It's been that way since my first one, a 486-20.... That gives you an idea on how long it has been. We bought my wife a Sony Vaio once, that'll never happen again.... My work computer is one of those "disposable Dell's" that apple fanboi keeps ranting about how "bad" they are. Funny thing though, it does everything I need it to do, and as a shareholder, I appreciate the fact that it wasn't expensive, since we have 37k of them in the US. My $100 blackberry fills its role quite nicely and it was cheap too. (It's 3 years old now, I think).... We do allow use of the IPHONE, but the security features that are employed here don't work very well with the IPHONE. A common occurence is having your IPHONE reset to factory settings accidentally. It's become so common, one of our techs has become an expert at rebuilding them... We don't have this problem with the blackberrys, I'm not tech savvy so I have no idea why. The techs hate the IPHONE though. Makes too much extra, unnecessary work for them, I guess.

So, yes, I'm biased against Apple products. I have no interest in them and don't share the hype about them. They fill a niche market, and do it quite nicely, but the "perception" that there aren't viable alternatives out there is simply ridiculous.

[Zool]

At this stage of the game, I probably am completely biased against Apple. I have a lot of frustration related to their products, how they market them, and how they keep tight controls and mandates over stupid things. In spite of this, I was actually very close to buying an IPAD 2 recently. But the apple blowhard convinced me that I wanted nothing to do with the products and their followers (mostly the followers).... so I bought an android tablet. I'm very glad I did.

I didn't say there's anything wrong with it, and its quite a common theme because of people like P who tout it so often. I'm a big fan of their OS for most things but I just use a Hackintosh build when I get ambitious. Most of the time I'm Win7 still.

To summarize my frustrations with Apple products:

I find it maddening to no end that apple mandates ITUNES. There is no reason for it, other than control. It's a crappy program, with subpar features. It has kept me from buying any IPOD devices, and is one of the major reasons that the IPAD 1's that my girls have are so frustrating for me to use. I simply despise ITUNES.

This almost stopped me from getting an iPhone. It's a shit app.

Next, the proprietary cables necessary to use additional functionality on the IPAD's my girls have is also frustrating. Yes, I realize that this is not exclusively Apple related, other companies have proprietary cabling as well, but it goes hand in hand with Apple's business model, a model that I don't like and do my damndest not to support.

Meh, not a huge deal to me, they all do it. Apple just charges 25% more for cabling.

Finally, there is no reason not to support flash. I understand that technology is changing, but there are a multitude of sites using flash today, and to not support it? Stupid. Move technology, change the direction, that's fine, but support the standard while it's the standard.... To do anything else is indefensible.

Flash is a battery destroyer and Adobe has no hard feelings about leaving it as such. Use Flash for 30 minutes and you'll be recharging. It really shouldn't be used on hand held mobile devices unless battery tech is greatly upgraded.

I have no direct experience with a mac, or a macbook, or a macbook air. I haven't used a mac since college in the late 80's. Seriously. I have no interest in their computers, and no need to own one or want one. I only buy thinkpads. It's been that way since my first one, a 486-20.... That gives you an idea on how long it has been. We bought my wife a Sony Vaio once, that'll never happen again.... My work computer is one of those "disposable Dell's" that apple fanboi keeps ranting about how "bad" they are. Funny thing though, it does everything I need it to do, and as a shareholder, I appreciate the fact that it wasn't expensive, since we have 37k of them in the US. My $100 blackberry fills its role quite nicely and it was cheap too. (It's 3 years old now, I think).... We do allow use of the IPHONE, but the security features that are employed here don't work very well with the IPHONE. A common occurence is having your IPHONE reset to factory settings accidentally. It's become so common, one of our techs has become an expert at rebuilding them... We don't have this problem with the blackberrys, I'm not tech savvy so I have no idea why. The techs hate the IPHONE though. Makes too much extra, unnecessary work for them, I guess.

My first computer was a Packard Bell Pentium 100, so I'm not too far off from you. If you did any sort of video/audio/photograph editing or recording you'd want to use a Mac. The software and hardware interfaces are far superior. Its not even close. If you don't its personal preference.

I will say that Dell is killing itself by using shit hardware. My company has 25000+ workstations and at one point we had to replace 3000 motherboards. All were Dells and all were a known faulty piece of hardware. We have since switched to HP workstations. Dell used to be known for quality hardware but like most companies they got away from that in favor of the bottom line to their own demise. (see Gateway Computers Inc)

So, yes, I'm biased against Apple products. I have no interest in them and don't share the hype about them. They fill a niche market, and do it quite nicely, but the "perception" that there aren't viable alternatives out there is simply ridiculous.

It's not exactly a niche market but I get what you're saying. They have their place that's for sure but I said this 15 years ago and I'll say it now. I'd be surprised if they ever get past 25% saturation in the PC market. So far I've been right.

[retailguy]

I didn't say there's anything wrong with it, and its quite a common theme because of people like P who tout it so often. I'm a big fan of their OS for most things but I just use a Hackintosh build when I get ambitious. Most of the time I'm Win7 still.

I still remain mystified that they don't separately market the operating system. Everyone (even besides apple fanboi's in general) rave about it. Why not market it? To me, this is where the whole "closed system" marketing ideas fail. Get folks interested in your hardware, by using your software...

Everyone hates Windows. Linux wouldn't have a "cult following" if Windows didn't suck. Folks just don't want to "pay the premium" for Apple hardware. Honestly, I get what you're saying about Dell, and I agree, but it's what folks are willing to pay, so it sells. And sells well.

The hatred of Windows would lead to the purchase of a suitable alternative for many. I just don't get it.

This almost stopped me from getting an iPhone. It's a shit app.

I can't believe how horrible it is. My old, old creative MP3 player uses almost any method to transfer files that I want. I don't need to use the creative software (not that it probably even works anymore with windows 7).

Meh, not a huge deal to me, they all do it. Apple just charges 25% more for cabling.

If the rest of the stuff they did didn't exist, and the elitest fools weren't hyping insignificant crap all the time, I could probably roll my eyes, ignore my frustrations and buy the damn cable. But right now? I'd probably hang myself with the damn thing. No way.

Flash is a battery destroyer and Adobe has no hard feelings about leaving it as such. Use Flash for 30 minutes and you'll be recharging. It really shouldn't be used on hand held mobile devices unless battery tech is greatly upgraded.

Like I said, I'm all for changing the market. I have no problem with flash disappearing. That being said, if I choose to watch a flash video with my tablet, then I also choose to plug the damn thing in shortly. My choice. I don't need "big brother" making that decision for me. I'll certainly not feel sorry for adobe when flash's demise hits. In the meantime? I want to watch the video occasionally and live with the results.

My first computer was a Packard Bell Pentium 100, so I'm not too far off from you. If you did any sort of video/audio/photograph editing or recording you'd want to use a Mac. The software and hardware interfaces are far superior. Its not even close. If you don't its personal preference.

I will say that Dell is killing itself by using shit hardware. My company has 25000+ workstations and at one point we had to replace 3000 motherboards. All were Dells and all were a known faulty piece of hardware. We have since switched to HP workstations. Dell used to be known for quality hardware but like most companies they got away from that in favor of the bottom line to their own demise. (see Gateway Computers Inc)

Yeah, I don't edit photos. Don't even understand how to, and am not interested in learning. But, I know a guy who does fantastic work, he's edited a few photos for me, and he raves about how easy the mac is to use. Just never tried it.

Understand what you are saying about Dell. This is a systemic problem with American business. Dell has paid for repairs to a bunch of machines. Sadly, it seems to be a more profitable model than building things the right way. I did recommend the purchase of 6 HP laptops for one of my clients. Seemed to be the best buy out there on the market. He did ask me if I'd buy them, and I said I wouldn't as I'd buy the equivalent Lenovo, but I did admit the specs were better and with the sale price he could get, they were also cheaper. Good buy for him.

It's not exactly a niche market but I get what you're saying. They have their place that's for sure but I said this 15 years ago and I'll say it now. I'd be surprised if they ever get past 25% saturation in the PC market. So far I've been right.

Well, I used the term "niche" to mean insignificant. On the PC front, their market share is definitely that. On the other products, they're really not a necessary part of the business world. The IPHONE might be becoming necessary (smart phones in general) in a small segment of the market, but most of us would continue to exist and be successful without them. The IPOD and IPAD? Unquestioned successes, but again, not critical pieces of equipment for most people. I use my mp3 player and enjoy my tablet, but I've not needed the "apple specific" ones, nor needed to spend the premium to get one.

[MJZiggy]

I dunno. I've used Photoshop on a PC and on a Mac. I don't really see a difference, but would it kill Mac to put a scroll wheel on the damn mouse?

[Freak Out]

I don't hate Windows....in fact Windows 7 has been pretty much hassle free.....I can't say that about Snow Kitty. I like the latest Ubuntu Linux build...install was a total breeze and it's a pretty damn functional package.

[retailguy]

I don't hate Windows....in fact Windows 7 has been pretty much hassle free.....I can't say that about Snow Kitty. I like the latest Ubuntu Linux build...install was a total breeze and it's a pretty damn functional package.

Windows 7 on a new pc? Hassle free or darn close. Upgraded on an older pc? Still has problems.

Never used snow kitty or Ubuntu.... Had an eee pc a while back that had linux. It worked. Wasn't flashy but it worked.

Ziggy - scroll wheels are like Flash. Big brother has determined that they're unnecessary.