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[Scott Campbell]

So, back to my autopsy..........

Finally, what Patler touched on about posters coming and going... I think changes were made in an effort to make some of the lowest common denominators happy and appeal to a broader audience. In doing so, the forum lost what made it unique.

I think you are spot on. You can't appeal to everybody, and you'll never make everyone happy. Pandering to the PM complainers can get you into a lot of trouble. You have to know your niche, and know your audience, and understand that it's not everybody. Give your core what it wants.

And the product is content.

[Scott Campbell]

So here's my suggestions. You've heard them before. Make it clear what you expect from each forum. This need not be lengthy or detailed. A one sentence explanation of decorum for each section would suffice.

Can you give me an example? For instance, what would you use as the explanation for the Romper Room?

[MadtownPacker]

How about we make specific rules for each section?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Seems there was never really a time when someone could criticize something about the forum, or even a decision that was made, without being lambasted, insulted, and whatnot.

This is too rich. You are the least civil person in the FYI room, non-conservatives mostly shun it because it's impossible to have a discussion without being "lamabasted, insulted and whatnot."

You have the interest and passion to write paragraphs on on how the forum can be run better. (Although "how" is a little generous, its mostly a regurgitation of past slights.) Yet you won't take-up Madtown's offer to make you an administrator of the forum. Go for it, get directly involved. Hell, call Mad's bluff and completely take control for a year, if the greasy mexican dares. it would be fun, and i doubt membership would decline.

BTW, I don 't really hate you, secretly my loins burn for your football.

[Scott Campbell]

This is too rich. You are the least civil person in the FYI room........

........and that is why he is so beloved.

[SkinBasket]

Can you give me an example? For instance, what would you use as the explanation for the Romper Room?

Personally, I would tell the football forum to pretend they're in the stands at a game. The RR, you're at a bar with friends. Trash Can is like being high on meth in a full nude transgender strip club. FYI is like the debate team after a night of drinking.

Something like that.

[Scott Campbell]

So, I have found other sites that suit me better right now. Sites were my threads and comments are accepted for what they are, simple discussion about the Packers. Sites where I have not yet been:

- told that my children must hate me;
- told that even though I do not recognize it in myself, I am a racist;
- told that even though I do not recognize it in myself, I am a humorless individual;
- told that even though I do not recognize it in myself, I have a deep seated desire to trick and embarrass people;
- etc.; etc.; etc.

These were not the normal banter of discussion, these were serious evaluations of some of the self-proclaimed experts on this site. I finally realized that if that is the effect I have on this crowd, I needed to find another crowd, so I did.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this is what I took to be the meat and potatoes of your post. And it would explain why you don't blame anyone. The rough and tumble culture here can be pretty uncomfortable at times.

But you know what's ironic? The way you handled yourself in these situations is a big part of the reason you're revered the way you are. I've never seen you compromise yourself. Ever. I've never seen anyone able to drag you into the gutter. And god knows they tried. It's usually when they're frustrated with that impenetrable logic, and are desperate to change the topic and get under your skin.

Regardless of what you decide in the end, I don't think anyone will think any less of you. It's too bad we can't find a way to make it work better.

[Scott Campbell]

Personally, I would tell the football forum to pretend they're in the stands at a game. The RR, you're at a bar with friends. Trash Can is like being high on meth in a full nude transgender strip club. FYI is like the debate team after a night of drinking.

Something like that.

Pretty damn good.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well I am glad Patler found and internet haven where he is not disrespected.

admit he makes some valid points, because at a time we were better than that, in some cases it is now no better than JSO

[ThunderDan]

yes it is and is open to all members old and new.

FYI Retail will have nothing to do with the running the forum. If he is still willing his expertise would be great towards the operation of the site.

MTP-

I really don't care if RG runs the forum or not. I just want to know that is all.

The real problem with this forum is when rules got "flexible". There need to be set in stone rules and everyone plays by those rules. The rules can be whatever you want but they have to be fixed. Then there is no debate and no subjective judgement. You either crossed the line or you didn't. Then when a poster has a complaint to air he doesn't have to "guess" what action will be taken (or that he is appealing to a mysterious Admin Joe who is the alter-ego that poster is arguing with).

Also, I would suggest posting as two different people MTP. Everyone "loves" the crotchity MTP banter. It's fun. But when you are "acting" in the admin roll I think you have to change so posters understand that the "playing" is now over and you really need to listen to what I am saying and follow it.

[Deputy Nutz]

But fuck, those other forums are boring.

[Freak Out]

No fucking rules!

[MadtownPacker]

Personally, I would tell the football forum to pretend they're in the stands at a game. The RR, you're at a bar with friends. Trash Can is like being high on meth in a full nude transgender strip club. FYI is like the debate team after a night of drinking.

Something like that.

Shit that ain't actually half bad. I think we can start with these.

[Scott Campbell]

But fuck, those other forums are boring.

Yup.

[SkinBasket]

You have the interest and passion to write paragraphs on on how the forum can be run better. (Although "how" is a little generous, its mostly a regurgitation of past slights.) Yet you won't take-up Madtown's offer to make you an administrator of the forum. Go for it, get directly involved. Hell, call Mad's bluff and completely take control for a year, if the greasy mexican dares. it would be fun, and i doubt membership would decline.

I don't think any one should be so "directly involved." That was the idea when we came here. The problems mostly stem from too much personal involvement on the administrative side, in my opinion.

And the "rules" should be as unobtrusive as possible... nothing more than a way to punish the worst case scenario essentially.

I cannot make you any smarter or less ignorant, so I'm sorry you feel being proven wrong repeatedly in FYI is a personal insult. That's the price of testing failed thought in a group setting.