The Inside Story of How the NFL's Plan for Its 1st Openly Gay Player Fell Apart

[mraynrand]

Over the past few months I have realized that my identity is asexual. I have met other people who are asexual as well and we love each other deeply. What we have found really quite hateful is the lack of respect and rights that we have in today’s White-Male America. Why can’t my asexual lovers have the same rights as a typical Christian breeder couple?

Sounds like you need a Political Action Committee and some lobbyists. And your own colored ribbon.

[SkinBasket]

Skin, I am guessing that NFL locker rooms are not great environments for gay acceptance. That's the barrier.

That's the most obvious one I was guessing as well, but am curious as to what pb feels they are, since he feels this is a societal issue rather than an NFL specific issue. I don't think he's interested in telling me though. Or he got tired of all the probing. Probing. Proooooooooooooobing. Pro. Bing? Probing.

[SkinBasket]

Randall Cobb says get your prostate examined. First, start with a simple visual check for swelling or distention in the general area.

Looks good!

Next, a manual digital exam is in order.

Hmmmmm.... Mmmmmmm.... Yeah.... Okay, wait..... A little deeper. Just hang in there partner. This is for your own good. Hoooah! All clear!

Your first bowel movement after the exam may be difficult, painful, for unusually large due to impaction.

Plop.

Butt don't let the stigma of having another man check your prostate keep you in the shadows of fear.

Have your prostate checked, preferably by your gay partner, since gay advocates seem to think you'd be good at that for some reason.

[MJZiggy]

But you're constructing a false argument (cherry picking, innumeracy). I already pointed out what the norm is. So of course there are exceptions to the male-female couples, where sex and reproduction aren't part of the equation, just as there are the rare male-male and female-female couples where sex is involved. But because of basic biology and cultural norms that have existed from the dawn of time and history, everyone understands what the norm is, so that if you want to make an issue of same sex couples being different from 'just friends' you have to specify that sexual activity is taking place. So it is about the sex, for same sex relationships, because if there is no sex, there is no controversy, and there is nothing to talk about.

Just because it's not "the norm" doesn't mean you have to say anything. This isn't about the norm, or sexual behavior. I don't need to know if a husband's viagra is working, or if a player is getting laid. It's none of my business and none of yours either. But if a player is out and has a boyfriend or husband, which appears from the initial discussion could very well be the case, then you're working very hard to stigmatize that relationship (which again, is none of your business). And if that stigma and fear were to disappear, it would not be an issue. It is not my problem. I think people can marry whichever consenting adult they like. It appears to be your problem which I don't understand because again, it's none of your business. If a player is gay and wants to talk about his loved one, that should still be his business. The problem with your problem is that it's causing heartache and a trampling of rights for a whole class of people. You can be with the one you're attracted to and in love with. They should have that same right.

[MJZiggy]

Well, yes, unless they are married.

Nice...

[woodbuck27]

Hard to tell if you've tried following the "Out the Gays" crowd. According to Woody, you're not gay unless you're currently having sex with another man and if you challenge him to define his position, he'll threaten to beat you up. According to pb, having sexual relations with another man does not hake you a homosexual, it's just one aspect of homosexuality, which is just like sexuality, but with a homo, but that does not define homosexuality, which is at once of grave importance to tell everyone about and of the highest priority to normalize. To be fair, his position is backed by thinking rather than violence. And according to ziggy, everyone who doesn't believe gays should be paraded in front of the media to satisfy an agenda and then rewarded with whatever they want because they are people too, should shut the fuck up in the name of tolerance. I may have detected some thinly veiled threats in her posts.

jheesssh Skinbasket I'm not into beating anyone up. Merely defending myself if need be. I'm far far removed from any cowardice and you attacked my Irish.

Damn as to beating you up!? What !? Beat you up naaaaww ! I can't even tug on your nose.

[Kiwon]

Randall Cobb says get your prostate examined. First, start with a simple visual check for swelling or distention in the general area.



Next, a manual digital exam is in order.



Your first bowel movement after the exam may be difficult, painful, for unusually large due to impaction.



Butt don't let the stigma of having another man check your prostate keep you in the shadows of fear.

Ah......an early frontrunner for post-of-the year! Hilarious!

Skin should write PSAs for the guberment.

[woodbuck27]

My main issue with a digital prostrate exam has to do with my female Doc who seems to grind her finger up there for such a time as her panting seems too obvious. The weakness I feel when she fails to yank up my pants for me.

[Kiwon]

My main issue with a digital prostrate exam has to do with my female Doc who seems to grind her finger up there for such a time as her panting seems too obvious. The weakness I feel when she fails to yank up my pants for me.

Ha! TMI, Woody!

[MJZiggy]

That ain’t the only thing I think is thinly veiled with ziggy.

Oh do tell...

[hoosier]

The vast majority of male-female relationships are entered into with the understanding that marriage and reproduction are desired and likely outcomes - that is and has been an essential biological and cultural fact since before history began. It is only in the last 40-50 years that anyone would have considered that a similar relationship would be attempted by members (ostensibly) of the same sex.

Not quite. Same sex unions were pretty common in non-European and pre-Christian cultures, including Greece, Rome, China and Mesopotamia. There are even same-sex union traditions in early Christianity. The strict equation of marriage with one man-one woman came later, around the 4th century AD.

[woodbuck27]

That ain’t the only thing I think is thinly veiled with ziggy.

It’s hard to follow all these threads these days with Woody becoming the Bridget Anne Kelley of Packerrats…..but I always thought the main thing that is important is two people who “love” each other is what is paramount in all of these matters. Gay marriage, etc.

Over the past few months I have realized that my identity is asexual. I have met other people who are asexual as well and we love each other deeply. What we have found really quite hateful is the lack of respect and rights that we have in today’s White-Male America. Why can’t my asexual lovers have the same rights as a typical Christian breeder couple?

Hi HowardRoark:

I always thought the main thing that is important is two people who “love” each other is what is paramount in all of these matters HowardRoark

Please see post #250 this thread....where I try to support anyone in your position as an asexual or one of the three minority variations of sexual orientation and including also homosexuality and bisexuality.

Write of support in terms of generalized public acceptance. How that support essentially impacts any relationship in terms of it's openness and resultant zero or diminished anxiety due to controlling the negatives brought on with any stigmatization.

Most importantly that support resulting in enhanced overall health.

Here's something for you to read from a Canadian perspective.

http://www.ellecanada.com/living/a-sexomatic-dealing-with-asexuality/a/25071

[woodbuck27]

Just because it's not "the norm" doesn't mean you have to say anything. This isn't about the norm, or sexual behavior. I don't need to know if a husband's viagra is working, or if a player is getting laid. It's none of my business and none of yours either. But if a player is out and has a boyfriend or husband, which appears from the initial discussion could very well be the case, then you're working very hard to stigmatize that relationship (which again, is none of your business). And if that stigma and fear were to disappear, it would not be an issue. It is not my problem. I think people can marry whichever consenting adult they like. It appears to be your problem which I don't understand because again, it's none of your business. If a player is gay and wants to talk about his loved one, that should still be his business. The problem with your problem is that it's causing heartache and a trampling of rights for a whole class of people. You can be with the one you're attracted to and in love with. They should have that same right.

Exactly.

nailed it MJ.

[HowardRoark]

Hi HowardRoark:

I always thought the main thing that is important is two people who “love” each other is what is paramount in all of these matters HowardRoark

Please see post #250 this thread....where I try to support anyone in your position as an asexual or one of the three minority variations of sexual orientation and including also homosexuality and bisexuality.

Write of support in terms of generalized public acceptance. How that support essentially impacts any relationship in terms of it's openness and resultant zero or diminished anxiety due to controlling the negatives brought on with any stigmatization.

Most importantly that support resulting in enhanced overall health.

Here's something for you to read from a Canadian perspective.

http://www.ellecanada.com/living/a-s...uality/a/25071

I didn't see anything addressing me and my asexual lover wanting to marry each other and get all the cool rights of married people.

Some haters here might just define us as roommates.....I dream of the day we can beyond that sort of bigoted thought.

Was it the green, red or black text?

[mraynrand]

Not quite. Same sex unions were pretty common in non-European and pre-Christian cultures, including Greece, Rome, China and Mesopotamia. There are even same-sex union traditions in early Christianity. The strict equation of marriage with one man-one woman came later, around the 4th century AD.

I've seen this a common attempt to justify and normalize today's behavior. But conditions are not the same and understanding of what such relationships meant were very different.

I read about this when a Yalie Boswell tried to make these same claims about the catholic church twenty years ago. My recollection is that he completely misunderstood the church, but I'll look for something on it. I know for pretty sure that the Greek in Roman unions were in no way an attempt to equate them with oppose sex unions, but don't know about China and Meso. The 'modern' view is decidedly distinct.