Ishmael Flicks

[3irty1]

I must have missed a few of these comics and movies... 'hulkbuster' 'world breaker' 'planet hulk' ???

In the comics the hulk is conspired against and sent away in a ship by a cabal of Reed, Stark, Blackbolt, and Strange. He crash lands on a gladiator planet starting what is known as the Planet Hulk event. Hulk comes back to Earth more pissed than ever and thus stronger than ever. This started what was called the World War Hulk event. Banner kind of lets go of the wheel and just lets the Hulk rage. This form is said to be World Breaker Hulk. At that level his stomp can cause an earthquake on the whole East Coast. Iron man had a special giant suit of armor made just for the occasion of having to deal with a rogue Hulk called Hulkbuster armor. He puts it on but gets wrecked.

In these things happen but differently. In Age of Ultron Hulk goes apeshit after Scarlett Witch fucks with his mind. Iron man dons the Hulkbuster armor then, so I think this was supposed to be World Breaker Hulk. Banner loses confidence in his ability to control the Hulk and flies off in a ship at the end of Age of Ultron. In Thor:Ragnarok we learn he's landed on the same planet depicted in Planet Hulk only its run by Jeff Goldblum. Hulk leaves with Thor and really has no reason to be record setting angry.

Heart of the Monster is a bunch of obscure characters and soap operaish events lead to Hulk being stuck in perpetual combat in the dark dimension. After doing this for a while he sets a new personal best for being pissed. All the details are way too muddy for a movie but the idea of trapping the Hulk in the dark dimension to get him super pissed and then uncorking him on something tough would be easy enough for Dr Strange to do.

[mraynrand]

^^^ a lot can happen in 30 years...

[mraynrand]

[Deputy Nutz]

In the comics the hulk is conspired against and sent away in a ship by a cabal of Reed, Stark, Blackbolt, and Strange. He crash lands on a gladiator planet starting what is known as the Planet Hulk event. Hulk comes back to Earth more pissed than ever and thus stronger than ever. This started what was called the World War Hulk event. Banner kind of lets go of the wheel and just lets the Hulk rage. This form is said to be World Breaker Hulk. At that level his stomp can cause an earthquake on the whole East Coast. Iron man had a special giant suit of armor made just for the occasion of having to deal with a rogue Hulk called Hulkbuster armor. He puts it on but gets wrecked.

In these things happen but differently. In Age of Ultron Hulk goes apeshit after Scarlett Witch fucks with his mind. Iron man dons the Hulkbuster armor then, so I think this was supposed to be World Breaker Hulk. Banner loses confidence in his ability to control the Hulk and flies off in a ship at the end of Age of Ultron. In Thor:Ragnarok we learn he's landed on the same planet depicted in Planet Hulk only its run by Jeff Goldblum. Hulk leaves with Thor and really has no reason to be record setting angry.

Heart of the Monster is a bunch of obscure characters and soap operaish events lead to Hulk being stuck in perpetual combat in the dark dimension. After doing this for a while he sets a new personal best for being pissed. All the details are way too muddy for a movie but the idea of trapping the Hulk in the dark dimension to get him super pissed and then uncorking him on something tough would be easy enough for Dr Strange to do.

What I have learned the last few years of the MCU is that they borrow whatever they want to from the comics to create new plots, and themes throughout their movies. Comic book dorks like ourselves can tear the movies apart and call out the flaws we see in relation to the comics or we can sit back and enjoy the fact that our comic book heroes are dominating the big screen in ways we never thought imaginable.

[mraynrand]

^^^ I don't care if they follow any story lines or not, just whether the stories and characters are interesting. The first two Spiderman movies, and the Tony Stark and Captain America characters were pretty well drawn. Nothing else really stands out that much to me. Maybe some X-men stuff but they poisoned that with SJW shit. Aunt May was unreasonably hot in the third reboot.

[Cheesehead Craig]

So far I'm loving the latest Spiderman. Much closer to the comic book than the horrid Tobey McGuire ones.

[mraynrand]

So far I'm loving the latest Spiderman. Much closer to the comic book than the horrid Tobey McGuire ones.

I think it depends on the era. McGuire was closer to the original Parker. Also, Aunt May isn't supposed to be hotter than Mary Jane or Gwen.

[Deputy Nutz]

To be fair, I never liked Spider-Man.

The X-Men are down the wrong path with Fox. There were a ton of stories to be told and they just fucked it all up.

[3irty1]

What I have learned the last few years of the MCU is that they borrow whatever they want to from the comics to create new plots, and themes throughout their movies. Comic book dorks like ourselves can tear the movies apart and call out the flaws we see in relation to the comics or we can sit back and enjoy the fact that our comic book heroes are dominating the big screen in ways we never thought imaginable.

If any of these movies adhered to the comics they would be clunky and boring soap operas. Plus Marvel has long operated in a multiverse that effectively ruins any of the obsessions over canon typical of normal nerdbases. For the most part the MCU writers do a great job of telling better and simpler version of these comic stories while winking at the nerds with allusions and easter eggs.

[3irty1]

High school Peter Parker is my favorite Peter Parker. This latest reboot has been by far my favorite. How far has Marvel come that now you shoehorn Iron Man into Spiderman's origin story to get people to come see it?

The strength of the X-Men has always been that it's a compelling conflict. It's ideology of MLK vs Malcolm X. Done well, the bad guys aren't evil; they are just wrong. This made the X-Men the jewel of Marvel for years and the lack of it is what makes so many of their current books utter trash. The SJW writers of today's Marvel cast the straw man versions of their political opponents as villains. Ironically, the consequentialist ethics of activism make for extremely compelling villains as with Killmonger in the last Black Panther movie. I read several commentaries from the usual SJW suspects talking about how Killmonger was a hero in the aftermath of that film. Terrific villains make for terrific stories because the conflict is real.

[mraynrand]

The strength of the X-Men has always been that it's a compelling conflict. It's ideology of MLK vs Malcolm X. Done well, the bad guys aren't evil; they are just wrong.

This is a good insight.

[Deputy Nutz]

Avengers 4 new title: "Infinite Avengers"

MCU is going to make Avengers 4 into the biggest movie release since "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace". If not bigger

[Anti-Polar Bear]

This new Avengers flick is lame, in my humble stoic opinion. I mean, [SPOILER ALERT!] a band of hotshot superheroes failed miserably to defeat the antisocial villain in 2.5 hours? Lame. Superman by himself could've annihilated the villain in 3 minutes.

Then there's the part where Dr. Strange gave up a stone in order to save Ironman's life, as if the hundreds of trillions of lives that eventually perished after Thanos acquired all the stones aren't as divine as Ironman's. I mean, that's akin to Rand and Tex's deity saving His beloved Son at the expense of humanity.

The only nice thing about this flick is Elizabeth Olsen's acting and hotness.

[3irty1]

This new Avengers flick is lame, in my humble stoic opinion. I mean, [SPOILER ALERT!] a band of hotshot superheroes failed miserably to defeat the antisocial villain in 2.5 hours? Lame. Superman by himself could've annihilated the villain in 3 minutes.

Then there's the part where Dr. Strange gave up a stone in order to save Ironman's life, as if the hundreds of trillions of lives that eventually perished after Thanos acquired all the stones aren't as divine as Ironman's. I mean, that's akin to Rand and Tex's deity saving His beloved Son at the expense of humanity.

The only nice thing about this flick is Elizabeth Olsen's acting and hotness.

You must have fallen asleep for the part when Dr. Strange used the time gem to explore possible futures and reported that he found one in which the Avengers win.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

You must have fallen asleep for the part when Dr. Strange used the time gem to explore possible futures and reported that he found one in which the Avengers win.

So the events in this flick aren't real, they're merely figments of Strange's imagination? If so, lame. If not, it's still lame that the good doc is willing to sacrifice hundreds of billions of innocent lives for an (eventual) Avengers victory.