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Green Bay has been above freezing for 1 hour in the past 30 days. A little tidbit on the news tonight. Global Warming my ass.
In all seriousness though, there are too many unproven theories about it. There isn't enough scientific evidence to suggest whether someone is right or is wrong.
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The problem is that if we wait until we have absolute 100% scientific certitude that man-made global warming exists, it will probably be too late to do anything about it. We can do nothing and hope that everything turns out ok. Or we can take action now, knowing that if we err, we will have erred on the side of caution.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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exactly, well said joeOriginally posted by JoemailmanThe problem is that if we wait until we have absolute 100% scientific certitude that man-made global warming exists, it will probably be too late to do anything about it. We can do nothing and hope that everything turns out ok. Or we can take action now, knowing that if we err, we will have erred on the side of caution.
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So you mean that even if it isn't causing global warming, its good to lower our levels of pollution?Originally posted by JoemailmanThe problem is that if we wait until we have absolute 100% scientific certitude that man-made global warming exists, it will probably be too late to do anything about it. We can do nothing and hope that everything turns out ok. Or we can take action now, knowing that if we err, we will have erred on the side of caution.
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The one think I've always liked about air pollution is that on a bad day, you can see it. So if you breathe it, it's your own fault. It's not like you didn't know it was there.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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Though I don't believe some of the hyperbole re: global warming, I still think we need to be better stewards of our planet. Fly into LAX or view Denver's skyline (or Chicago's from the Sears Tower) and you plainly see we are causing more pollution that affects our health and our children's health.
Even if you look at it from a purely national security standpoint, it makes more sense to develop more alternative sources of energy. Whether it be fuel cell technology, hydrogen, whatever.
We also need to be pushing harder to use biodiesel. A lot of countries have more options regarding diesel autos than the US. There are tax credits in Europe for biodiesel use, plus a lot more common sense emission standards compared to the U.S.
If our politicians on both sides of the aisle weren't in bed with the oil companies, more would get done.
We need to transform some of our existing cash crops like soybeans, etc. to be our own manufacturing areas for biodiesel.
The less we have to be dependent on foreign oil sources, plus finding more efficient ones, the better off we will be.-digital dean
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Wrong. There is loads of data that show the effect humans use of coal and oil alone has on the atmosphere. Planetary weather fluctuates for many reasons, our activity is one of them.Originally posted by GBRulzGreen Bay has been above freezing for 1 hour in the past 30 days. A little tidbit on the news tonight. Global Warming my ass.
In all seriousness though, there are too many unproven theories about it. There isn't enough scientific evidence to suggest whether someone is right or is wrong.
Most Americans will or can do nothing until the Federal or State Gov's makes them or helps them to change. The sooner Bush is gone and the influence of Big Oil is out of the Whitehouse the better. No meaningful change will ever take place until someone else calls that place home.C.H.U.D.
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It's all about the science, right?
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Bottom line: The UN can't be trusted on this issue.
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Agreed 100%. Heck, you don't even need to go to LA or Chicago...just take a look down the Fox River as you're going over the 172 bridge here in GB and you see all the pollution from the paper mills.Originally posted by digitaldeanThough I don't believe some of the hyperbole re: global warming, I still think we need to be better stewards of our planet. Fly into LAX or view Denver's skyline (or Chicago's from the Sears Tower) and you plainly see we are causing more pollution that affects our health and our children's health.
Even if you look at it from a purely national security standpoint, it makes more sense to develop more alternative sources of energy. Whether it be fuel cell technology, hydrogen, whatever.
We also need to be pushing harder to use biodiesel. A lot of countries have more options regarding diesel autos than the US. There are tax credits in Europe for biodiesel use, plus a lot more common sense emission standards compared to the U.S.
If our politicians on both sides of the aisle weren't in bed with the oil companies, more would get done.
We need to transform some of our existing cash crops like soybeans, etc. to be our own manufacturing areas for biodiesel.
The less we have to be dependent on foreign oil sources, plus finding more efficient ones, the better off we will be.
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So because Fox News doesn't like some guy at The U.N. (Shocking!), that refutes claims about Global Warming?
I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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i think blaming the politicians is the easy way out. we won't see huge leeps in alt. fuel tech until the price comes down or until fossil fuel prices increase. notice when gas was over 3 bucks a gallon and threatening to go upwards of $5, is when the hybrid cars started gaing much popularity.Originally posted by digitaldean
If our politicians on both sides of the aisle weren't in bed with the oil companies, more would get done.
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Hybrid cars are too big of a rip-off right now. They do very little for the environment with the way Americans drive right now.
They should make Diesel hybrids. 100 mpg with biodiesel capability would be pretty solid. They also need to find a way to genetically engineer corn to produce a higher bioavailablity or whatever it is called ( I read up on biodiesel like a year ago and don't remember the term ) .
Whether global warming is real or not, they should start making efforts to preserve or even improve the environment and the world. In addition to this, the united states could increase plastic development and cut dependency on foreign oil.
It could also propell our economy to an entirely new level.
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