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  • #31
    My mom used to get all her drugs in Mexico because she could get them for less than her insurance copay was in the states.
    "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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    • #32
      Originally posted by PackerBlues
      The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems.

      #30 Canada
      #37 United states of America
      Too funny.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #33
        Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
        Originally posted by PackerBlues
        The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems.

        #30 Canada
        #37 United states of America
        Too funny.
        It's a barrel of monkeys funny.
        C.H.U.D.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
          Originally posted by PackerBlues
          The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems.

          #30 Canada
          #37 United states of America
          Too funny.
          why's that?

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          • #35
            I'm sure it's all Ted Thompson's fault.
            Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

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            • #36
              Michael Moore perhaps should first worry about fixing himself.
              Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Partial
                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                Originally posted by PackerBlues
                The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems.

                #30 Canada
                #37 United states of America
                Too funny.
                why's that?
                These are three of the five criteria for their rankings:

                Fairness of financial contribution
                Distribution of Health in the Populations
                Distribution of Financing

                So, their rankings appear to be weighted more to these factors than quality of care. These aren't as important to me as quality of care. This means about as much as a Michael Moore documentary.

                A major project I chose to do for a class at the U of M was to rank the 50 largest cities in the U.S. It took extensive research. It took more work than any class I had at the U of M--including programming classes. I determined the criteria to use (numerous factors, weighted). I tried to be as fair as possible. While researching other rankings, I realized just how flawed most other rankings actually were. A majority were outright biased. I learned fast how flawed most rankings are. Unless you can choose the criteria that are important to you, these are pretty worthless.

                I'd say a large majority of people in the countries ranked higher than the USA would prefer the health care quality in our country. I could care less if some ranking states that our health care isn't as equitable as other countries. If their criteria will automatically favor, for example, a socialistic country where citizens don't have to pay for health care (but also don't get paid nearly as well as our citizens) over our system, it's flawed to begin with.

                Health care CRISIS. Give me a break. It's another issue that prays on emotion that some like to exploit, but is much more complicated than that. It's like saying minimum wage should be raised. It's like saying all illegal immigrants should be shipped back home. It's like saying the NFLPA should pay more to the retired players. Lies, damned lies, and stats.
                "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                • #38
                  Harv everytime I read one of your posts about a life issue I realize that you're a very intelligent, well-rounded guy.

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                  • #39
                    Who here hasn't been able to receive health care in our country? The #1 complaint from everyone seems to be the increase in cost. Guess what, if health care is socialized, you'll see a larger increase in costs or a decrease in medical research (like partial said).
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                      Who here hasn't been able to receive health care in our country? The #1 complaint from everyone seems to be the increase in cost. Guess what, if health care is socialized, you'll see a larger increase in costs or a decrease in medical research (like partial said).
                      Yeah, well, sorry, but that argument was debunked in the movie also. Perhaps you should just put your egos aside long enough to just watch the film, then comment on how bad you think it is, or how many lies you think it is full of, after you have actually seen it. I have no doubt what-so-ever that you will change your "tune", if you actually watch the movie.

                      If your that damned worried about giving Moore your money, download a bit torrent program , and download the damned thing for free.

                      Again, I dont go around telling people about movies that I think are great. Everyone has their own tastes. This is a film that I do recommend however, and I really hope everyone takes the time to watch it.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by PackerBlues
                        Yeah, well, sorry, but that argument was debunked in the movie also. Perhaps you should just put your egos aside long enough to just watch the film, then comment on how bad you think it is, or how many lies you think it is full of.
                        How did Mr. Moore debunk this? He can have a theory, but he doesn't have any evidence. As I stated before, drugs are developed, tested, etc. in America primarily.

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                        • #42
                          One of my main issues here, is the fact that Moore finds 'hot topic' issues, doesn't always present both sides, presents all as fact, and MAKES MONEY!!!
                          With the $$$ made, why not put up the cash , start some sort of trust-type program to help the uninsured?
                          If more of these hollywooders were like Mr. Paul Newman..........

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by packinpatland
                            One of my main issues here, is the fact that Moore finds 'hot topic' issues, doesn't always present both sides, presents all as fact, and MAKES MONEY!!!
                            With the $$$ made, why not put up the cash , start some sort of trust-type program to help the uninsured?
                            If more of these hollywooders were like Mr. Paul Newman..........
                            You want more hollywooders to make salad dressing?

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                            • #44
                              Don't knock Mr. Newman.......................all profits go towards his 'camps'.
                              But, you knew that didn't you???

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                              • #45
                                Nope, I didn't, but thanks for pointing it out. Newman already had enough "cool points" with me, just for starring in The Hustler, and The Color of Money. Two of the greatest movies ever made.

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