Who says Dems play at demagoguery politics?

[SkinBasket]

Re: Who says Dems play at demagoguery politics?

Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards said if he wasn’t elected president, the population of African-American males is likely to either wind up in prison or dead.

he didn't say this, you fabricated it.

That's an AP article. I didn't write it for fuck's sake. And it's not too hard to "fabricate" that line from what he said, EVEN IF you listen to his whole response.

He said: "pretty soon we’re not going to have a young African-American male population in America. They’re all going to be in prison or dead. One of the two." He is campaigning. His solution is to be elected president. Come on, even a second grader could put these two things together.

And it doesn't matter if he didn't mean ALL black males or A LOT of black males. The purpose is the same. Scare people into voting for you.

[Harlan Huckleby]

consider why 9/10 blacks vote for a party that hasn't done a goddamn thing for them except watch their communities slowly self-destruct for the past 20 or 30 years.

What would republicans do for blacks?

Republicans are against affirmative action. Blacks, by and large, believe that affirmative action is necessary and justified. Regardless of what you think about affirmative action, how would it be rational for blacks to vote republican?

[Harlan Huckleby]

From what I can tell, Democrat.

Correct answer. Republicans have cold hands.

[mraynrand]

Enforcing a sense of victimhood is one thing.
Telling people they will die if they don't vote for you is another.

You're right. And John Edwards managed to do both things with the same set of words.

[mraynrand]

From what I can tell, Democrat.

Because he "Move(d) on (your) dot org(an)?"

[SkinBasket]

consider why 9/10 blacks vote for a party that hasn't done a goddamn thing for them except watch their communities slowly self-destruct for the past 20 or 30 years.

What would republicans do for blacks?

Republicans are against affirmative action. Blacks, by and large, believe that affirmative action is necessary and justified. Regardless of what you think about affirmative action, how would it be rational for blacks to vote republican?

So you're assuming that all blacks (or at least 90% of them) need affirmative action plans to help them succeed. Who's the racist now?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Who says Dems play at demagoguery politics?

"pretty soon we’re not going to have a young African-American male population in America. They’re all going to be in prison or dead."

This is the equivalent of a republican saying, "if democrats keep raising taxes, pretty soon they'll just take it all, and you'all be beggin on the streets"

Headline: "Senator Lipschitz Predicts Depression"

[mraynrand]

consider why 9/10 blacks vote for a party that hasn't done a goddamn thing for them except watch their communities slowly self-destruct for the past 20 or 30 years.

What would republicans do for blacks?

Republicans are against affirmative action. Blacks, by and large, believe that affirmative action is necessary and justified. Regardless of what you think about affirmative action, how would it be rational for blacks to vote republican?

So you're assuming that all blacks (or at least 90% of them) need affirmative action plans to help them succeed. Who's the racist now?

No, he's assuming 90% of Blacks BELIEVE that affirmative action is necessary and justified, presumably to right present and past descriminatory wrongs. The challenge for Republicans is to convince those blacks who agree with this (90% or otherwise) that it's not true, or at least not as prevalent or severe as they imagine or have experienced.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So you're assuming that all blacks (or at least 90% of them) need affirmative action plans to help them succeed. Who's the racist now?

??? I don't think Affirmative Action is a good idea. But its a fact that a large majority of blacks support AA.

I'm still waiting for the part on why blacks would be tempted to vote republican.

[MJZiggy]

From what I can tell, Democrat.

Because he "Move(d) on (your) dot org(an)?"

No, because she is young, urban, working in a profession that could require performing abortions, and living in a city in which 90% voted democrat in the last election.

[mraynrand]

So you're assuming that all blacks (or at least 90% of them) need affirmative action plans to help them succeed. Who's the racist now?

??? I don't think Affirmative Action is a good idea. But its a fact that a large majority of blacks support AA.

I'm still waiting for the part on why blacks would be tempted to vote republican.

As that George W. Bush guy from the JS forum would say: "If yeh vot fer me all giv y'all a tex cut"

[mraynrand]

From what I can tell, Democrat.

Because he "Move(d) on (your) dot org(an)?"

No, because she is young, urban, working in a profession that could require performing abortions, and living in a city in which 90% voted democrat in the last election.

90%? That 90% number rings a bell. If only I could place it.....

[SkinBasket]

Regardless of what you think about affirmative action, how would it be rational for blacks to vote republican?

??? I don't think Affirmative Action is a good idea. But its a fact that a large majority of blacks support AA.

So you feel that it would be irrational for black voters to vote on any other issue than affirmative action?

[mraynrand]

I'm still waiting for the part on why blacks would be tempted to vote republican.

The same reason anyone else would vote for a solid Republican: lower taxes, less governmental intrusion in all walks of life - less government control over health care, school choice; fewer social programs, strong national defense, aggressive pursuit of terrorists and the nations that support or give them safe haven, border protection and enforcement, appointing of strict constructionist judges that don't legislate from the bench, strong traditional social values - valuing the role of God, church, parents and authority figures in our lives, respect for individual rights from the moment life begins at conception until (hopefully) natural death. Etc. etc.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So you feel that it would be irrational for black voters to vote on any other issue than affirmative action?

If they feel passionately about AA, ya, it would be irrational to vote for a Republican. AA is not a narrow issue, it carries broad philosophical weight. And I think the voting record bears this out.