Over/Under On The Thompson Bashers

[retailguy]

See, let me sum it up for you. If you post something that the majority disagrees with, you'd better make sure that you do it in a manner that is viewed as "proper" to the rest of the forum. That sums up your post in one sentence, I'd say. If you don't, you've EARNED yourself a bad attitide, and justifiable forum ettiquette from the rest of the posters, such as skin and my good buddy vic who just "pile on".

Since I've been labeled as someone who "piles on," let me respond.

I mentioned this before, but apparently you tend to ignore points that conflict with your views. Someone who posts a MINORITY view is going to have a lot of responses in opposition to that view because they are in the MINORITY, meaning LESS people agree with them than disagree. What you refer to as "piling on" is the MAJORITY (meaning more people than not) responding, and since, by the very definition of the term, there are MORE people in the MAJORITY, there will be MORE responses in opposition to the MINORITY view.

What you seem to be asking for is that people in the MAJORITY on a given topic silence themselves so that the person with the MINORITY view can feel safe or unmolested or still think they're an important person too or whateverthefuck you feel the problem is when someone posts their thoughts and receives feedback that doesn't make them feel like farting rainbows in response.

Thank you very much for your clarification. Had you bothered to read what I had said, about civility, I think you'd probably have not needed to make your point, which is why I viewed what you said as "PILING ON".

Smashing my viewpoint into the canvas was clearly what you had intended, so, why are you griping because I disagree with you? You thrive on that shit. Why not just enjoy it? You landed your point, over and over and over again.

Simple?

Hope so.

[Deputy Nutz]

testy

I think this thread needs some level headed moderation.

[Deputy Nutz]

civility is way overrated, while being blunt and to the point is underrated along with common sense.

[retailguy]

testy

I think this thread needs some level headed moderation.

Why? Because I disagree with them? Have I not stuck to the points they made and illustrated what I view as hypocrisy?

Don't get it. But hey, that wouldn't be the first time, would it?

So, level headed moderation clearly couldn't be me, so I guess I'd like to know what that is? What have I said that should be "censored"?

[SkinBasket]

See, let me sum it up for you. If you post something that the majority disagrees with, you'd better make sure that you do it in a manner that is viewed as "proper" to the rest of the forum. That sums up your post in one sentence, I'd say. If you don't, you've EARNED yourself a bad attitide, and justifiable forum ettiquette from the rest of the posters, such as skin and my good buddy vic who just "pile on".

Since I've been labeled as someone who "piles on," let me respond.

I mentioned this before, but apparently you tend to ignore points that conflict with your views. Someone who posts a MINORITY view is going to have a lot of responses in opposition to that view because they are in the MINORITY, meaning LESS people agree with them than disagree. What you refer to as "piling on" is the MAJORITY (meaning more people than not) responding, and since, by the very definition of the term, there are MORE people in the MAJORITY, there will be MORE responses in opposition to the MINORITY view.

What you seem to be asking for is that people in the MAJORITY on a given topic silence themselves so that the person with the MINORITY view can feel safe or unmolested or still think they're an important person too or whateverthefuck you feel the problem is when someone posts their thoughts and receives feedback that doesn't make them feel like farting rainbows in response.

Thank you very much for your clarification. Had you bothered to read what I had said, about civility, I think you'd probably have not needed to make your point, which is why I viewed what you said as "PILING ON".

Smashing my viewpoint into the canvas was clearly what you had intended, so, why are you griping because I disagree with you? You thrive on that shit. Why not just enjoy it? You landed your point, over and over and over again.

Simple?

Hope so.

So now I shouldn't say something if I agree with someone because obviously I would just be "piling on" and I shouldn't say something if I disagree with someone because then I might hurt their feelings by making them consider that they might be wrong.

Maybe you should contact Harlan about writing the "Civil Response to Opposing Views" section of his up-and-coming Internet Forum Posting Rules and Regulations so we all know how not to offend your views of civility. Make sure to spend time on a subsection dealing with "Considering the Majority and Minority View when Crafting your Response to Stupid Posts."

By the way, I read what you had to say about civility, but just couldn't muster up the effort to care. I hope that doesn't hurt your feelings and make you feel like part of the minority if others agree with me.

[Deputy Nutz]

The issue I take with all of you Thompson Bashers, you jump off the fucking cliff complaining and calling for the guys head and then predicting a horrible season.

you fail to use any common sense at times and fail to look at every aspect of the team and the job Thompson has done and is still doing. He isn't perfect, no GM is, the game is too big of a crap shoot.

Now the team has put together a nice little winning streak and you all have to eat a little crow and you're all a bit pissed about it. It is a long season hopefully the Packers keep on winning but then that would cause you all to really swallow your pride.

I have questioned Thompson's choices and decisions, but I wasn't guaranteeing failure like some. Most of you put your foot in your mouth before you even saw the product, and now you're getting made fun of and you can't handle it. Go grow a pair.

I love how loyal some of you are to Brett Favre, calling for more weapons for Brett so he can go out on top and this and that, I for one had the same feelings, but then I realized that this franchise goes on after Favre, or AF. With free agency this team needs balance, a good defense and a good offense, some things come quicker than others. Hopefully the offense can continue to excel and demonstrates that Thompson has surrounded Favre with enough talent to be successful in '07.

This team will not go 16-0, I still stand by my prediction of 10-6, because that is what I guessed, but the bottom line is this team is going to lose some games so, you Thompson Bashers can at least have your weeks down the road to flap your gums. Hell I might even join you but then at least I have results to base my opinions on.

[SkinBasket]

I would agree with nutz, but, well, you know.

[vince]

I'd pile on too, if I weren't apparently one of the "majority." So in civilized respect for the "minority" I won't.

[retailguy]

The issue I take with all of you Thompson Bashers, you jump off the fucking cliff complaining and calling for the guys head and then predicting a horrible season.

you fail to use any common sense at times and fail to look at every aspect of the team and the job Thompson has done and is still doing. He isn't perfect, no GM is, the game is too big of a crap shoot.

Now the team has put together a nice little winning streak and you all have to eat a little crow and you're all a bit pissed about it. It is a long season hopefully the Packers keep on winning but then that would cause you all to really swallow your pride.

I have questioned Thompson's choices and decisions, but I wasn't guaranteeing failure like some. Most of you put your foot in your mouth before you even saw the product, and now you're getting made fun of and you can't handle it. Go grow a pair.

I love how loyal some of you are to Brett Favre, calling for more weapons for Brett so he can go out on top and this and that, I for one had the same feelings, but then I realized that this franchise goes on after Favre, or AF. With free agency this team needs balance, a good defense and a good offense, some things come quicker than others. Hopefully the offense can continue to excel and demonstrates that Thompson has surrounded Favre with enough talent to be successful in '07.

This team will not go 16-0, I still stand by my prediction of 10-6, because that is what I guessed, but the bottom line is this team is going to lose some games so, you Thompson Bashers can at least have your weeks down the road to flap your gums. Hell I might even join you but then at least I have results to base my opinions on.

Good rant.

Some truth to that and some things not so much.

I can tell you real clearly this. Had the Packers been 0-4 right now, but playing competitively, I wouldn't be saying "I told you so". You can believe that if you wish or you can discard it.

Would others be gloating? Of course. This battle got far too ugly for it not to be that way. This was my attempt to say "enough". Didn't work. Oh well. Shame on me. That's nothing new.

Packerblues summed it up pretty well I thought. I really enjoyed Zach's point, and I really didn't like his clarification. I think it speaks to a larger problem that most are unwilling to admit. Whatever.

I won't "weigh" in on the season until week 12 at the earliest. I might wait until the end of the season. But I will weigh in. Count on it. If I need to make a mea culpa, I will, if I don't, you can bet I'll tell you all that too. The others are responsible for themselves.

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the wins. I remain concerned about the running game. I'm unconvinced that winning will continue when the weather turns bad and running doesn't improve. Others think we can pass our way to the playoffs. Others think that as the level of defense declines, our run game will improve. We'll see. Baltimore got to the Super Bowl with a very mediocre offense.

As to our defense, they've played well by any estimate. They're not perfect, but no one is, except the 72 Dolphins. So, I'm concerned about the run stopping part of the D, don't really buy into the rhetoric of "they bent, but they haven't broke!", but hey, they're 4-0 so that's saying something.

They shut down Tomlinson, but Rivers went crazy. Then they shut down Holcolmb, and Peterson looked like a Madden video game. Derrick Ward averaged 6.0 yards per carry. Who is Derrick Ward? He's no LT, that's for sure. Those indicate issues to me. So far, they've overcome them, and that's at testament to this team. Either they're damn lucky, or they've figured something out. When we get to face Dallas, we'll see. We didn't match up well against San Diego, yet we won. One point in our favor. We don't match up well against Dallas, so we'll see.

In any event, I share some viewpoints with Woody, Packnut and Merlin. But, clearly not all. I've said some positive things about Ted, and this team. I don't like Ted (that's no shock), but have always said he is a great evaluator of talent. I have also said that I don't like the short term plan (2007) and I don't (I am surprised at how well it has worked to this point, and skeptical it will continue). Skeptical is different from"no chance" which was where I was before the season started.

I have also said that I liked what Ted was building for 2008 and beyond. I have supported Justin Harrell. I didn't like the pick, I did think there were better places to invest that kind of money, however, I always thought it was unrealistic to expect a guy with that serious of an injury to contribute immediately. I really like Corey Williams, and I don't understand why the team hasn't shown more of an interest in keeping him. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. We shall see.

So, Nutz, that's where I am. Oh yeah, one more thing. As Vic pointed out, I do think Ted is a damn liar. I think he purposely misleads about things he doesn't need to mislead. I believe that is the biggest area where I can see his ego. I don't like what I see, but acknowledge (as I always have) that assholes can be good talent evaluators.

I guess that sums up the majority of my points. I think we'd be running better if we had a back with experience. I didn't want a long term deal, though, I'd have kept Green. Wouldn't have thrown too much money at the other free agents. I would have brought in one guy for competition. Didn't really care who it was after Green was gone. I don't like Morenecy and never have, I am intrigued by Wynn, and do like Jackson but never thought he'd help until 2008 either. I hate zone blocking, and don't like Spitz but I do like Colledge - as a tackle, not a guard. Wells is servicable, and I don't understand what the hell has happened to Cliffy and Tausch. Orange Juice is still too new for me to judge.

There, that's the sum of the parts. Take it for what it is worth.

[Zool]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.

[BallHawk]

Quick question....

Is it worth it reading this thread from the beginning?

Or is it just more of the same?

[PackerBlues]

I don't buy into the whole "majority, minority" thing. In my opinion, I think that more often than not, people will look at a new topic or post, then read some of the replies to that post.........and decide that they do not even want to bother. Weather it be sarcastic comments, bantering back and forth, or whatever kind of personal attack........a post becomes ruined so quickly, that a person coming to view it for the first time, wouldn't bother to respond, because of not wanting to get bashed themselves.


I could sit here and stick out my tongue, and say "Naa Naa" I was right about Thompson when I said "he is sending the team into the season with a complete crap running game". But I do not want to. It is true that the Packers running game is crap. But I don't care. I look at the team that we have, and I am happy. Who built the team we have now (minus a run game)???? Thompson did. Considering that the team also seems to have good pass protection going this year, is using the TE's, and is willing to not just trust Brett to manage and win games this year, but to go the extra mile by admitting themselves, that they are playing to the stregths of this team, ........says a lot to me. I think I can let Thompson slide on the running game, considering what else he has given this team.


It seems like every season for a while now, nothing has been what you would expect. There have been years that entering the season, you might swear that the offense was going to be great and the defense would struggle...........only to find during the season that it was the exact opposite. Seasons where you expect the receivers to have great years.........only to have injuries screw up the season. So many times, things would turn out opposite of what you would have expected or hoped.


This year, some of us bitched about a run game before the start of the season, pissed off because we just couldn't imagine the Packers having an effective run game with "running back by committee". This year, we were actually right about something...........but it does not matter, because Thompson and M3 already knew what they had, and planned around it.


Turns out that some people were also wrong about Moss. We still hear questions like "what happens if Randy doesn't get the ball?" and "What will Randy be like if the Pats start losing?" From the looks of things, those are some very unlikely scenario's. I picked up Madden 08 for my computer. Started up a Franchise, snagged Moss off of the Patriots roster, and started playing a season. OMFG!!!!!! What a blast that was, using a pass heavy Offense with Moss, Driver, Jennings, and Jones. I came down from my high of having Moss on the roster pretty quick though. After the first 5 games or so, I got kinda bored........putting up nearly 800 passing yards every game. It was fun for a little while anyway, lol.


So, yeah, some of us could also stick out our tongues and say we were right to have wanted Moss, just look at how good he still is. Fact of the matter is, we are doing just fine without him. I love how this Offense of the Packers, is built around the Passing game. Favre does not need Moss to be effective, he just needs his guys to catch what he throws to them (Bubba). I will however, do a lot of pissing and moaning and maybe a little if the Packers face the Pats in the SB, and Moss runs away with the game ball.

[Freak Out]

I'm coming to the posters game just to witness the West Side Story like gang fight between TT backers and TT haters.

[MJZiggy]

I'm coming to the posters game just to witness the West Side Story like gang fight between TT bashers and TT haters.

BH, this should answer your question, no? Nice one, Freak Out.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I have questioned Thompson's choices and decisions

Then you are a Thompson basher.