OT: Vote Yes to Proposition OT

[RashanGary]

You can protect the users without supressing people Mad. It's not one or the other. I understand you guys set out to do that with the Romper room but it's not working. It's something most posters avoid. The # of respnonses I got and the # of votes I got shows how much more used the main page is.

You're basically quieting the forum voices that you choose not to hear. I think it is a bad precident. I think you're ultimately hurting your forum. If I want a place where I can get all Packer all the time I will go to Packer chatters. I was just there and they have more users who talk about the same shit and get heavily moderated like the main page here. If your dead set on being just like them and competing directly with them you will lose. YOu have a chacne to be different. You have a chance to have something special. If you can overcome that urge to control the content of the board you can make this board the best packer board out there. I think you're ruining that chance. It's too bad really. I know you can see it if you open your mind for just a minute.

[RashanGary]

I believe in what I believe. Untill JS got hit by that one idiot, it was better than this place by far. Why? because people could speak.

Yeah this shit bothers me. I loved that other forum. I lvoed the lack of moderation. I loved how eveyrone had an equal voice.

Welcome to Packerchatters wanna be. That is what this is.

[Deputy Nutz]

If off topic was truly that important, then the Romper Room would be pretty damn successful.

Sorry Nick, if you don't like this product go back to where ever you came from. We all do our best here and letting off topic threads on the Packer forum, not the main page like you call it is not in the cards right now. I hope you stay because your contribution to Packer talk is pretty decent, But I won't sit here and keep defending the actions of PackerRats.

[SkinBasket]

You can protect the users without supressing people Mad. It's not one or the other. I understand you guys set out to do that with the Romper room but it's not working. It's something most posters avoid.

Which indicates that most people don't want to read the OT threads, which in turn means no one gives a shit if they aren't on the Packer page. Your ship is sinking fast enough without you shooting holes in the bottom yourself.

The Packer threads, from thread to thread, deviate into enough OT areas to keep them interesting, humorous, and "freedom fry inspiring" without the assistance of other OT threads.

[Scott Campbell]

Welcome to Packerchatters wanna be. That is what this is.

That's a bullshit low blow.

You've had your say, and it's been put to a vote twice now. Now take your beating like a man.

[Little Whiskey]

you talk like the romper room is a closed area, and off limits to some. well it is not. like i said in the other thread. if you want to talk football, you go to the packer page, if you want to talk about life you go to the romper room. no one is being censored. I don't think anyone has deleted threads or posts based on content. being moved is not being censored, it is being put in it's proper place. tank posts frequently in the romper room, as does Harlan. i wish others would become more familiar and post regularly, but maybe they don't have an opinion on a topic. just like when i check the packer page, if i don't have an opinion, i don't post, but i check read some and move on. same thing. the divisions that are set are good and make sense. its is not censorship or lack of freedom, but order. and order benifits all.

[RashanGary]

Which indicates that most people don't want to read the OT threads, which in turn means no one gives a shit if they aren't on the Packer page. Your ship is sinking fast enough without you shooting holes in the bottom yourself.

If nobody wanted to read it, it would just disappear. That would eliminate any need for moderation of OT threads. Based on your premise they would delete themselves

The Packer threads, from thread to thread, deviate into enough OT areas to keep them interesting, humorous, and "freedom fry inspiring" without the assistance of other OT threads.

The reason I even started doing this was because Nutz came out and told a couple of us to move our shit to the romper room while deviating from the original topic in one of the football threads. Maybe his one ignorant remark wasn't supported by the ownership of the forum but he is one of the writers and main stays so it sure felt that way. Maybe this whole thing is misplaced and we really do have the ability to expand on football issues to the point where they don't really resemble football topics anymore but it sure wasn't written that way on No Mo's ESPN thread. Go check it out.

Skin, if things really are as you say, I'm happy. The problem is, they are not. Nutz thinks he can tell me and other what is ok to say and that fucking pisses me off.

[Rastak]

I'm not sure why the romper room forum is such a bad place for OT posts. It's alot easier to find or ignore OT posts if there are in one place.

[RashanGary]

The Romper room has turned in to the AP/N&B. It's not hit by anyone else. Nobody cares.

You will say well then OT's won't last on the main page either but the point is that they do...Race, politics and gay threads where great because they allowed us to talk with our regular forum friend about those topics. Ever since management has taken a hard line approach to move it to the RR the discussion has died. Many of the people that would have seen it, no longer look. It sounds simple to just move it to the RR but it just hasn't worked IMO.

IMO it is not a general hard set approach to shut people out but a mis-calculation gone wrong. I know almost matter of factly that the creators wanted a site that allowed for people to be people and the RR was proof of that but I think due to volume problems and some intangable issues that are hard to put a finger on, it has not worked accordign to plan. YOu can sit and stay firm and say.."The romper room will catch on. Everyone that posted on OT Topics before will come and see it" or you can see that it is not the case. I gaurentee if tank started a good homo thread on main page it would get gobbled up. If he starts it here it will die because the APer and N&Bers don't care and they are the only ones who will see it.

RR is workign great for Ap and NB but its not workign so great for the others. The OT stuff never dominated the football stuff even when JS did nothing..It just doesn't hurt anything. I think it made JS the place to be before that dick head went off.

[Little Whiskey]

nick, it is not the managment that decides but your fellow posters have also decided. look at the poll stats. the people have voiced their opinion.

[Rastak]

The Romper room has turned in to the AP/N&B. It's not hit by anyone else. Nobody cares.

You will say well then OT's won't last on the main page either but the point is that they do...Race, politics and gay threads where great because they allowed us to talk with our regular forum friend about those topics. Ever since management has taken a hard line approach to move it to the RR the discussion has died. Many of the people that would have seen it, no longer look. It sounds simple to just move it to the RR but it just hasn't worked IMO.

IMO it is not a general hard set approach to shut people out but a mis-calculation gone wrong. I know almost matter of factly that the creators wanted a site that allowed for people to be people and the RR was proof of that but I think due to volume problems and some intangable issues that are hard to put a finger on, it has not worked accordign to plan. YOu can sit and stay firm and say.."The romper room will catch on. Everyone that posted on OT Topics before will come and see it" or you can see that it is not the case. I gaurentee if tank started a good homo thread on main page it would get gobbled up. If he starts it here it will die because the APer and N&Bers don't care and they are the only ones who will see it.

RR is workign great for Ap and NB but its not workign so great for the others. The OT stuff never dominated the football stuff even when JS did nothing..It just doesn't hurt anything. I think it made JS the place to be before that dick head went off.

That kinds of leads a guy to the conclussion that most don't want to read OT posts if the don't go to the OT area.

[SkinBasket]

That kinds of leads a guy to the conclussion that most don't want to read OT posts if the don't go to the OT area.

He doesn't seem to be getting this point.

[Deputy Nutz]

This is getting humorous!!! Nick keeps proving our point! Off topic threads die if they go to the Romper Room, well no shit buddy because nobody cares!!! For Instance, FYI on JSO had the same 10 posters going at it till the point they were just posting articles and sources for their opinions. Mad didn't censor shit, he has just seperated the bullshit from the regular shit.

[RashanGary]

I understand the thought but I think it takes away from the power of the poster.

If someone like Tank or Mobb wnated to start a race thread and have everyone see thier view they could. Now the power of the minority has been taken away. Mobb could not come here and put his topic out there for eveyrone to view. He would be seen only by those who want to see it and quite frankly, I think he wanted those who didn't want to see it to have to look at it. He had a point to make and he used that as an avenue to express it. You might not like his view but it was cool that the forum allowed it to be read. It was cool that he could reach his intended audience. What does that do for you? Nothing most likely but I really believe in the principle.

The masses can now just go to the Packer forum if all they want is Packer talk and not see it. I understand how that is helpfull for those who don't want to read anything else. What about the minority who want to express themselves to everyone?

I'm not asking for OT stuff because most people want it. I'm trying to show how it hurts a group of posters. I'm looking for approval not because you yourself want the OT stuff but because you believe in the general principle of free speech and what it brings. I'm arguing that even though most want to read all Packer all the time that allowoing a free main page acctually allows for that but also allows for the minority to do some things they might not beable to do otherwise.

A vote of yes is not for yourself, but for a few others who want to be heard. I really believe in that and I wish it was possible.

[Rastak]

I understand the thought but I think it takes away from the power of the poster.

If someone like Tank or Mobb wnated to start a race thread and have everyone see thier view they could. Now the power of the minority has been taken away. Mobb could not come here and put his topic out there for eveyrone to view. He would be seen only by those who want to see it and quite frankly, I think he wanted those who didn't want to see it to have to look at it. He had a point to make and he used that as an avenue to express it. You might not like his view but it was cool that the forum allowed it to be read. It was cool that he could reach his intended audience. What does that do for you? Nothing most likely but I really believe in the principle.

The masses can now just go to the Packer forum if all they want is Packer talk and not see it. I understand how that is helpfull for those who don't want to read anything else. What about the minority who want to express themselves to everyone?

I'm not asking for OT stuff because most people want it. I'm trying to show how it hurts a group of posters. I'm looking for approval not because you yourself want the OT stuff but because you believe in the general principle of free speech and what it brings. I'm arguing that even though most want to read all Packer all the time that allowoing a free main page acctually allows for that but also allows for the minority to do some things they might not beable to do otherwise.

A vote of yes is not for yourself, but for a few others who want to be heard. I really believe in that and I wish it was possible.

So if I understand you correctly you are arguing that people should be forced to at least see OT subjects? If MOBB wanted to start a race discussion he could post it in the OT area and EVERYONE who wants to read OT will see it. Why force people who don't want to see it to see it?

No one's free speech is even remotely being violated. All minorities and majorities can read and post whatever they want in the OT area.


I really am missing the point I think.