Lost Season 4

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Interesting theory

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LETS DO THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[oregonpackfan]

The way this week's episode ended shocked me as well as Hurley and Sawyer. They watched Ben go walking freely by as he said to the two, "See you guys at dinner!"

For Locke to release Ben is totally insane. Ben is one contemptuous, cunning, amoral, slimy weasel! Letting him walk around free is like warming a stick of dynamite with a blowtorch!

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They should just follow Ben. I think they'll end up doing that and they'll stay safe.

I do think he is lying about Chuck Widmore's intentions, though. My guess is he is coming to kill Ben, not to commercialize the island.

[MadtownPacker]

First, I disagree with Mad, this was a fantastic episode that shed a bit of light on the issues with the Island, time displacement of some sort. Time is not moving correctly on the Island. Most of this has been figured out or guessed at by fellow members of this forum.

I loved the anchor with Penny and Desmond. It is a story line that is as overlooked as the character of Desmond is, he is not Jack, Kate, or Sawyer so some pass over his importance to the show.

Anyways I liked the episode.

I could go into all the theories on time travel or whatever you want to refer to as, but I don't fully understand the complexities of it on the show.

The fact Partial agrees with you should be the first sign you might be wrong. Dont get me wrong I thought it was a good epi as far as how it was done but the storyline going in the direction of time travel is what I dont like. IN the begining of the show the creators said everything would be explainable in a realistc way. While the black smoke kinda threw a wrench in those plans right away the time travel stuff is taking it too far IMO.

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Well Mad, there was obviously something going on with that as the Island was masked, and could be detected, but not visibly seen from the outside world and the fact Desmond couldn't leave on the boat back in the Season 2 finale.

I think it was kind of lame to do the time travel that way again. I thought it was cooler to have that only happen when Des turned the key. Also, it was kind of cool with his ability to see the future.

I thought it was a good episode. I think the next two before the hiatus are going to be excellent.

[oregonpackfan]

Last night's episode focused primarily around Juliette. It was revealing to find out she was having an affair with the husband of the island psychologist.

What was especially eerie was to find out that Juliette was the obsessive object of Ben's desire. When he came out and told her "You're mine!" that must have sent a chill to every female viewer in the country! How would you like to learn that a manipulative psychopathic mind like Ben considered you his personal property? Brrr!

[Deputy Nutz]

I was a bit board with this episode. Juliette is gonna be the down fall to the Island bunch.

[Deputy Nutz]

First, I disagree with Mad, this was a fantastic episode that shed a bit of light on the issues with the Island, time displacement of some sort. Time is not moving correctly on the Island. Most of this has been figured out or guessed at by fellow members of this forum.

I loved the anchor with Penny and Desmond. It is a story line that is as overlooked as the character of Desmond is, he is not Jack, Kate, or Sawyer so some pass over his importance to the show.

Anyways I liked the episode.

I could go into all the theories on time travel or whatever you want to refer to as, but I don't fully understand the complexities of it on the show.

The fact Partial agrees with you should be the first sign you might be wrong. Dont get me wrong I thought it was a good epi as far as how it was done but the storyline going in the direction of time travel is what I dont like. IN the begining of the show the creators said everything would be explainable in a realistc way. While the black smoke kinda threw a wrench in those plans right away the time travel stuff is taking it too far IMO.

I think Polar Bears on a tropical Island and a black mist that kills people is a little unrealistic but it keeps my attention, although the point you bring up about Partial is a crushing blow on my thought process on "LOST".

[twoseven]

I do think he is lying about Chuck Widmore's intentions, though. My guess is he is coming to kill Ben, not to commercialize the island.

The island is a veritable Garden of Eden and possibly a Fountain of Youth rolled into one. Of course he could commercalize it.

Many people survived a horrific airline crash. Locke could walk on legs that didn't work, now has become hard to kill. A woman with cancer is cured of cancer. An infertle couple conceived a child. At least one person, Roger Alpert, seems to have not aged in his time on the island, time appears to move faster outisde of the island's bubble of life. Food is still apparently dropped every now and then. People cannot find island easily, even harder to actually land there. Possible wormholes for instant global travel. A chittering smoke cloud that appears to keep evil people in line. Island life seems pretty relaxed, weather has yet to be treacherous in over 3 months time. Many of the survivors have been given a second chance on the island whereas their outside lives weren't all that great, coincedence? All in all, not a bad place to live, just can't make any babies (and if the island does in fact allow you to be cured of all ailments and then live without aging normally, seems a fair price to pay).

Sorry man, all of that seems pretty marketable to me. It is a pretty good explanation for why Ben is wanting to keep it quiet and all to himself, and exactly why he would want to figure out how to make reproduction work on the island, to make the place Heaven on Earth. Talk about the ultimate get away..

The first mate's diary from the Black Rock is going to hold some or possibly all of the secrets to the island that drove Widmore to find the place. Just like it allowed Hasno to find the place and establish Dharma there a generation earlier (to do many tests on the island's makup, no less). Hanso's distant relative was the original Captain of the Black Rock, his ship is still landlocked there since around 1845. That diary allowed his descendants to find the island, and now it's led Widmore there.

[LL2]

How would Faraday and Charlotte (is that her name) know that Ben planned on killing people on the Island so they had to stop that nuclear reactor thing. Was Ben going to kill everyone and start things all over again?

I'm curious to know who on the boat is Ben's inside contact. Could it be Walt's dad? It has to be someone left the show in the first two season's.

Ben walked because Locke honored their agreement. Locke wants to keep the island protected as much as Ben does. It's the enemy of my enemy is my ally thought process that has those two working together at times.

[Charles Woodson]

How would Faraday and Charlotte (is that her name) know that Ben planned on killing people on the Island so they had to stop that nuclear reactor thing. Was Ben going to kill everyone and start things all over again?

I'm curious to know who on the boat is Ben's inside contact. Could it be Walt's dad? It has to be someone left the show in the first two season's.

Ben walked because Locke honored their agreement. Locke wants to keep the island protected as much as Ben does. It's the enemy of my enemy is my ally thought process that has those two working together at times.

yea i think Michaels on the boat

[twoseven]

How would Faraday and Charlotte (is that her name) know that Ben planned on killing people on the Island so they had to stop that nuclear reactor thing. Was Ben going to kill everyone and start things all.

They remarked that they knew about his mass murder of the oriignal Dharma group.."he (used gas) once before.."..that would not be impossible to find out, he did kill over 40 people that were still connected to the outside world.

My answer to your second question of Ben's intentions..at this point it is pretty safe to say HE IS INSANE, as Locke said so eloquently in the cabin with Jacob the first time, and he'll do anything to protect his own interests. He murdered 40 innocent people, he has lied and deceived his own people and the islanders for his own gain, he has attempted to kill both Locke and Charlotte, he's got Sayid killing people for him in the future, he sent Goodwin on a possible suicide mission, and his exclamation to Juliet of "you belong to me" is about as telling as anything. This friggin guy is unhinged, he's found something (the island) that he will do anything to have and protect. He's killed before, why not do it again if it means prolonging his reign?

He's the ultimate villian, I love it. I was laughing my ass off when he said 'see ya at dinner' to a shocked Hurley and Sawyer.

[oregonpackfan]

How would Faraday and Charlotte (is that her name) know that Ben planned on killing people on the Island so they had to stop that nuclear reactor thing. Was Ben going to kill everyone and start things all over again?

I'm curious to know who on the boat is Ben's inside contact. Could it be Walt's dad? It has to be someone left the show in the first two season's.

Ben walked because Locke honored their agreement. Locke wants to keep the island protected as much as Ben does. It's the enemy of my enemy is my ally thought process that has those two working together at times.

yea i think Michaels on the boat

That is my suspicion as well. I think Michael never make it off the island with Walt. He was just tricked by Ben into thinking he had freedom.

[GrnBay007]

Time for Lost!!