Official 2007 Live Draft Thread

[Rastak]

Mike Shanahan on the NFLN said he was targeting Harrell when the Packers took him. That probably would have negated the need to get fleeced by the Vikings in that trade in round 4. So I owe you guys a thank you!

[chain_gang]

So are we going to get a TE?


I'd like to see that, but I'm kind of worried about our CB position being ignored. I would have liked to have seen them address CB earlier in the draft, like with the James Jones picks. If Harris or Woodson go down for an extended period we could be screwed, especially since we don't know what we have in Blackmon, and Dendy i just can't see being a starter. Hopefully TE, CB, and possibly another CB in the sixth round. The one CB from New Hampshire sounds like a good pick Corey Graham. He can bump, play zone, and return kicks.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/graham_corey


Courtney Brown, CB from Cal Poly sounds like an interesting prospect too. He sounds like quite an athlete.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/brown_courtney


I'd be happy if we got either of these guys, or even both for that matter and see if one sticks.

[Rastak]

Da Bears take a CB and S



Kevin Payne
S | (6'0", 220, 4.6) | LOUISIANA MONROE

Scouts Grade: 53

Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position Selected by: Chicago Bears
Round: 5
Pick (Overall): 30(167)
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Strengths: A versatile prospect with experience at running back, wide receiver, free and strong safety, as well as punter and return specialist on special teams. Possesses adequate height and good bulk. He is a fluid athlete for his size. Fills hard versus the run and will throw his body around. He is tough and aggressive. Shows good initial power as a hitter. Pursuit angles and recognition skills continue to improve. He has a great work ethic and is the type that will do everything he can to contribute in different areas to earn his roster spot.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal speed. Was able to overcome it at lower-level DI college but lack of acceleration will be a much bigger factor in the NFL. He lacks ideal experience at safety and still has much room to improve in terms of footwork and recognition skills. He also needs to do a better job of breaking down and wrapping up as a tackler in space. Lacks ideal mental capacity and there are some concerns regarding his potential to handle complex schemes and get his teammates lined up as a safety in the NFL.

Overall: Payne was redshirted in 2002. He then started all 12 games as a redshirt freshman in 2003 at running back, carried 248 times for 976 yards (3.9 average) and six touchdowns, caught 41 passes for 488 yards (11.9 average) and three more scores, completed a 35-yard touchdown pass, was selected to the All-Sun Belt second team, and was named the conference's Freshman of the Year. In 2004, he played in eight of 11 games with seven starts before breaking his arm against North Texas which ended his season. For the year, Payne carried 74 times for 261 yards (3.5 yards) and two touchdowns, and caught 12 passes for 103 yards (8.6 average) and one more touchdown. He moved to safety during spring practice in 2005 and then started all 11 contests in the fall, earning second team All-Sun Belt honors, and recorded 87 total tackles, four tackles for loss, two interceptions, one fumble recovery, and one forced fumble. In 2006, Payne amassed 98 total tackles, three tackles for loss, one sack, four interceptions, three pass breakups, and one forced fumble. During the 2005 and 2006 seasons, he also returned 24 kickoffs for 605 yards (25.2 average) and three punts for nine yards.
Payne is a versatile athlete with good size and toughness at the safety position. While he made strides as a senior, Payne still is a raw safety that must improve his tackling consistency and recognition skills in coverage. He also lacks ideal top-end speed, which limits his range. In our opinion, Payne is an intriguing developmental project worthy of consideration in the fourth-to-fifth round range.



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[Brando19]

He's got a 9 minute YouTube video just as good as Meachem's or Bowe's, it's all first downs and touchdowns. He was pretty impressive, every catch was a Michael Vick bail out pass or him making something from nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVvPDJdFAp8

Pat Kirwan on Sirius just said he's studied Clowney and he's probably going to end up being a 4th or 5th WR for the Packers.

[Rastak]

Corey Graham
CB | (5'11", 195, 4.43) | NEW HAMPSHIRE

Scouts Grade: 48 Selected by: Chicago Bears
Round: 5
Pick (Overall): 31(168)
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Strengths: Shows good top-end speed and flashes the ability to run with most receivers. Shows good awareness, shows strong grasp of spacing and can cover a lot of ground in zone coverage. Plays with a mean streak, uses hands fairly well and can slow receivers down at the line of scrimmage. Possesses above-average size and doesn't shy away from contact. Reads quarterback's eyes, has strong hands and is a playmaker in coverage that can produce with the ball in hands. Times jumps well and is tall enough to compete for jump balls. Takes adequate pursuit angles, flashes the ability to slip blocks in space and plays with a non-stop motor. Reads blocks well, shows a second gear in the open field and is a dangerous return man.

Weaknesses: Takes too long to change directions, doesn't explode out of cuts and is more effective dropping into zone coverage than is matching up man-to-man. Appears stiff when forced to turn and run and has to get a good jam in at the line of scrimmage to hold own on an island. Takes too long to shed blocks and occasionally creates running lanes by running around blockers rather than stacking them up at the point of attack. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to make the jump to the NFL.

Overall: Graham saw action in nine games as a true freshman in 2003 eventually taking over as a starter due to injuries and collected 47 total tackles, and three interceptions. In 2004, he registered 110 total tackles, four interceptions including one returned for a touchdown, 17 passes defended, three forced fumbles, and one fumble recovery. Graham then earned second team All-Atlantic 10 honors in 2005 as a defensive back and kick returner after finishing with 104 total tackles, three interceptions, nine passes defended, and two fumble recoveries. In 2006, Graham started the first seven contests and collected 41 total tackles, two interceptions, and one pass defended before suffering a broken fibula that ended his season. Over the past three seasons, Graham has returned 65 kickoffs for 1,757 yards (27 average) and two touchdowns and he also returned 10 punts for 102 yards (10 average) and one touchdown in 2006.
Graham is a small-school prospect who lacks ideal agility but he can make an impact in the return game and there is a lot to like about his upside at corner. In fact, he has the size, speed and physical style of play to develop into a sub-package contributor in the right scheme. Graham projects as a second-day pick.



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[RashanGary]

Negatives: Has a slight frame with a small bubble, smooth skin, marginal chest thickness and little room for additional growth … Capable of retaining plays, but needs several reps to do so … Lacks the bulk to face up to defenders when blocking in-line, as he will generally be pushed back or run over … Needs to get a clean release off the line, as his lack of bulk and power can see him get rerouted by the more physical cornerbacks … Can get in and out of his break point, but then starts to coast too often, which lets the defensive back recover … Can outrun most defenders, but once the opponent latches on to him, the battle is over.

WHAT THE F!!

[chain_gang]

Damn Bears

[Rastak]

Negatives: Has a slight frame with a small bubble, smooth skin, marginal chest thickness and little room for additional growth … Capable of retaining plays, but needs several reps to do so … Lacks the bulk to face up to defenders when blocking in-line, as he will generally be pushed back or run over … Needs to get a clean release off the line, as his lack of bulk and power can see him get rerouted by the more physical cornerbacks … Can get in and out of his break point, but then starts to coast too often, which lets the defensive back recover … Can outrun most defenders, but once the opponent latches on to him, the battle is over.

WHAT THE FUCK!!



LOL.........I agree, WTF!!!!!!

[Tony Oday]

Negatives: Has a slight frame with a small bubble, smooth skin, marginal chest thickness and little room for additional growth … Capable of retaining plays, but needs several reps to do so … Lacks the bulk to face up to defenders when blocking in-line, as he will generally be pushed back or run over … Needs to get a clean release off the line, as his lack of bulk and power can see him get rerouted by the more physical cornerbacks … Can get in and out of his break point, but then starts to coast too often, which lets the defensive back recover … Can outrun most defenders, but once the opponent latches on to him, the battle is over.

WHAT THE FUCK!!


lol they missed he has a perdy mouth ;)


LOL.........I agree, WTF!!!!!!

[BallHawk]

The one CB from New Hampshire sounds like a good pick Corey Graham.

He was drafted by the Bears about 10 picks ago. However, Brown is still available.

[CyclonePackFan]

Negatives: Has a slight frame with a small bubble, smooth skin, marginal chest thickness and little room for additional growth … Capable of retaining plays, but needs several reps to do so … Lacks the bulk to face up to defenders when blocking in-line, as he will generally be pushed back or run over … Needs to get a clean release off the line, as his lack of bulk and power can see him get rerouted by the more physical cornerbacks … Can get in and out of his break point, but then starts to coast too often, which lets the defensive back recover … Can outrun most defenders, but once the opponent latches on to him, the battle is over.

WHAT THE F!!

Men don't have smooth skin, Greg. Didn't you know that?

[Bretsky]

He seems to let things fall to him nicely and trade down if his guys are not there; but he chooses not to anticipate, make a bold move, and/or trade up when players that can really help him fall.


Either that, or his board looks nothing like yours.

If you read the Packer beat writers article, they noted that GB had those guys very highly rated but chose not to trade up. It was in the chat and it's not beyond them to actually interview with Packer Personnell people with more inside information than we have

[mraynrand]

Negatives: Has a slight frame with a small bubble, smooth skin

Aww, Baby, that would not be a negative for your Onion NFL analyst, Smoove B. I would love to have the smooth skin so I could freak with my baby doggie style.

http://homepages.theonion.com/PersonalPages/sB/images/smoove_b.jpg

[RashanGary]

What the hell is going to happen? Is he going to get a rug burn easier than the next guy? Is he going to turn men on in the locker room?

What exactly does smooth skin have to do with anything?

[Rastak]

What the hell is going to happen? Is he going to get a rug burn easier than the next guy? Is he going to turn men on in the locker room?

What exactly does smooth skin have to do with anything?


Maybe it's a gay publication doing the reviews......maybe it allows him to slip out of tackles easier.....either way, good catch.

[Tarlam!]

Clowney interview:

"I am a football player that also ran track. Track helped me stay in shape"

On best attribute: "My best attribute is my speed. I ran 4.36 with a bad hamstring. My hands could be better, but that might be true of all WR's"

On his ability/ hands: "I am very confident in my abilities. Whatever coach needs, I will do, WR, ST anything!"

On Rouse: "Rouse is a funny guy, happy-go-jolly, like me. As an athlete, he's a head banger! When he hits you, he makes sure you know it was him"

On the massacre: "I had friends in those classes, it was tough. It's tough for the program, it all could of been prevented. Nobody I knew was killed, but one of my friends was running late for class and couldn't get in cause the doors were chained."

On draft position "I was told I'd be a first day pick. 3rd round, maybe even sneak into the the 2nd. It was tough watching all these names getting called, names i never even heard of!"

On being upset: "I get to go to GB, with a HOF QB and show what I can do. I am not upset"

[green_bowl_packer]

This is the exact reason Edward James Olmos could hack it in the NFL.

[Bretsky]

Negatives: Has a slight frame with a small bubble, smooth skin, marginal chest thickness and little room for additional growth … Capable of retaining plays, but needs several reps to do so … Lacks the bulk to face up to defenders when blocking in-line, as he will generally be pushed back or run over … Needs to get a clean release off the line, as his lack of bulk and power can see him get rerouted by the more physical cornerbacks … Can get in and out of his break point, but then starts to coast too often, which lets the defensive back recover … Can outrun most defenders, but once the opponent latches on to him, the battle is over.

WHAT THE F!!


LMAO; I haven't seen one of those in a while

[FritzDontBlitz]

What the hell is going to happen? Is he going to get a rug burn easier than the next guy? Is he going to turn men on in the locker room?

What exactly does smooth skin have to do with anything?

maybe having smooth skin helps the criticism slide off easier? :shock:

[Rastak]

Wow, Ravens take Troy Smith.....




Troy Smith
QB | (6'0", 225, 4.62) | OHIO STATE

Scouts Grade: 70

Flags: (B: BULK/SIZE) Lacks size/bulk for position(C: CHARACTER) Problems on and off the field
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Strengths: Possesses a thick and sturdy build. Is athletic and strong. Shows good body control and balance. Maintains very good endurance and stamina. He has made huge strides as a passer. He has shortened up his delivery and has improved his overall mechanics. He displays very good arm strength and can drive the ball down the field. His field vision continues to improve with experience. He has undergone a complete transformation in terms of his patience within the pocket. He will make his progression reads and trust the protection around him. He is showing better timing and touch as a passer. Shows good touch on underneath routes. Makes quick decisions and does a good job of avoiding sacks. He is still a dual-threat quarterback prospect with the speed and elusiveness to burn defenses with his feet. Is a threat to run, showing excellent vision, initial quickness and burst for the position. He gets set quickly and shows quick feet in the pocket. Buys a lot of second-chance passing opportunities with his feet. Is an efficient passer when on the run and is extremely difficult to defend when he breaks contain. He is instinctive and competitive. Shows natural leadership skills and is the type of player that teammates trust in the clutch. He had several character issues early on in his career but he reportedly has matured tremendously.

Weaknesses: Possesses marginal height. Will have trouble finding passing windows from within the pocket and he has too many passes batted down. He has a tendency to get sloppy with his mechanics. Occasionally will throw from his back foot and also will revert to windmill delivery when he gets lazy. He will occasionally take too long to make his progression reads and will be late on some throws, as a result. Character is still a significant concern. He was suspended from the Alamo Bowl in 2004 after accepting money from a booster. He also was charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct (with Santonio Holmes) after an on-campus fight broke out involving five women in a parking lot. He was later found guilty of the charge. He missed the Miami (Ohio) game and did not start vs. Texas in 2005 as a result of an earlier suspension.

Overall: Smith was the last recruit signed by Ohio State in the winter of 2002 and was redshirted. In 2003 as a redshirt freshman, he saw action in 11 games as a return specialist and slash-back. He began the 2004 season as the backup to Justin Zwick but started the seventh game after Zwick was injured the previous week. Smith started five games that season, passing for a total of 891 yards, eight touchdowns, and three interceptions (all against Purdue), while also rushing for 339 yards on 82 attempts with two touchdowns. Smith was suspended for two games (finale in 2004 and opener in 2005) as a result of accepting illegal benefits from a booster. He was also convicted of misdemeanor disorderly conduct, along with teammate Santonio Holmes, stemming from a fight in a campus parking lot. In 11 games during the 2005 season, Smith completed 63-percent of his passes for 2,282 yards, 16 touchdowns, and four interceptions. He also carried the ball 136 times for 611 net yards and 11 touchdowns that season. Smith then accumulated numerous honors in 2006, including the Heisman trophy, after completing 65.3-percent of his passes for 2,542, 30 touchdowns, and just six interceptions while also rushing for 204 yards and one more score.
Few prospects in the 2007 NFL draft class improved their stock as much as Smith did during his senior season. Smith has refined his passing skills and improved his overall decision making as a quarterback. He is still capable of beating defenses with his feet, but Smith has proven to be a much more patient passer this season. His character issues and marginal height still serve as red flags. He also continues to be too erratic as a pocket passer. However, in our opinion, Smith's strong arm, poise, athleticism and competitiveness make him worth the risk late on Day 1.



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[RashanGary]

James Campen really liked that OLman.

This kid is a little smallish but they said he could easily get up to 315 without even noticing it.

The nice thing is that we're drafting him 2 years before we really need him so that when one of our Tackles leaves we'll acctually have an NFL ready replacement and we won't have to spend 50 million dollars to move on.

Who would have thought that drafting for BPA could ever pay off. I mean, it makes no sense right?

[BooHoo]

smooth skin = maybe it takes him a shorter time to get into his uniform so he doesn't have to show up at the stadium as early as other players. :?:

[Rastak]

I think the Vikings will be on the clock next due to the Broncos trade....I like Kenny Scott or Brandon Siler......

[TennesseePackerBacker]

If he lasts I bet we grab David Irons in one of the 3 picks, also one of them gets traded

[Scott Campbell]

Late day 1? I didn't think anyone had him rated that high.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Late day 1? I didn't think anyone had him rated that high.

Didn't say he was great value, this is pretty much where people expected him, maybe rd. 4 or 5 at most.

[BallHawk]

Vikes get Rufus Alexander. Very solid pick.

[mraynrand]

Wow, Ravens take Troy Smith.....


I'm certain that offensive genius coaching the Ravens will be able to wave his magic wand and make a star out of Smith, just like he did with, uh, with .... well, I uh ... oh hell, nevermind.

[Rastak]

Damn, I was just about to say Rufus Alexander would also work......I wish I typed faster....not a bad pick.


Rufus Alexander
OLB | (6'0", 228, 4.69) | OKLAHOMA

Scouts Grade: 66

Flags: (B: BULK/SIZE) Lacks size/bulk for position
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Strengths: A playmaking WLB prospect with good quickness. A ball-hawk with natural instincts. At his best in space and makes plays from sideline-to-sideline as a run defender. Plays the game hard and is a reliable wrap-up tackler. He diagnoses plays quickly and does a great job of working up the field. He makes a lot of plays in the backfield. Shows adequate upfield burst vs. the run and when turned loose a pass rusher.

Weaknesses: Is undersized with marginal strength. Also lacks adequate top-end speed for his size and position. Has room on his frame to add bulk, but must do so without losing quickness. He looks to avoid contact too frequently. At times he will take some poor angles and leave his defense vulnerable. He gets engulfed by bigger blockers in the phone booth. Needs to do a better job of using his hands to get off blocks. Displays decent range in coverage and knocks down a lot of passes, but he does not possess good ball skills.

Overall: Alexander was redshirted in 2002 and had off-season knee surgery. He then appeared in one game in 2003 and made two total tackles and forced one fumble. In 2004, Alexander started 10 of 12 games, finishing the year with 74 total tackles, seven tackles for loss, two sacks, one interception, three forced fumbles, and three fumble recoveries. He started all 12 games in 2005 and earned consensus first team All-Big 12 honors after making 102 total tackles, 17 tackles for loss, five sacks, one interception, two forced fumbles, one fumble recovery, and nine pass breakups. Alexander again started all 14 games in 2006, earning a first team All-American (coaches) selection, his second straight first team All-Big 12 honor, and the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year award, after recording 118 total tackles, 12 tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks, one interception, and four forced fumbles.
Alexander is one of the toughest prospects in the 2007 class to evaluate. He was a playmaking WLB at the highest collegiate level, which makes him appear to be more athletic and physical than he really is. After studying him closer, though, Alexander is undersized with marginal strength and below-average foot-speed. In our opinion, Alexander is worth nothing more than a late first-day pick and could easily slip to the second-day of the draft.



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[Bretsky]

James Campen really liked that OLman.

This kid is a little smallish but they said he could easily get up to 315 without even noticing it.

The nice thing is that we're drafting him 2 years before we really need him so that when one of our Tackles leaves we'll acctually have an NFL ready replacement and we won't have to spend 50 million dollars to move on.

Who would have thought that drafting for BPA could ever pay off. I mean, it makes no sense right?


Your sarcasm with all this BPA stuff is funny. TT is doing what he should do now; trying to find depth and hopefully pluck one or two starters down the road. The picks could be great or they could turn out to be shit.

Your rosy assumption is just as off base as the one screaming for TT's head
We won't know for a couple years. Hopefully TT is right more than he is wrong and adding extra picks gives him a bigger room for error in general

[TennesseePackerBacker]

This has to be one of the deepest LB drafts in awhile and we haven't picked one yet.

[Rastak]

Coowboys take a Kicker....





Nick Folk
PK | (6'1", 225, 4.95) | ARIZONA

Scouts Grade: 36
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Strengths: Has a strong leg, can connect on long-range field goal attempts and gets good distance on kickoffs. Confident and shown the ability to come through in high-pressure situations. Has experience punting and is versatile.

Weaknesses: Though has improved in this area misses some field goal attempts inside 40 yards and accuracy is somewhat inconsistent. Kicks the ball too low at times and is vulnerable to getting blocked.

Overall: Folk arrived at Arizona in 2002 and was redshirted. In 2003, he played in 10 games, taking over as the fulltime place-kicker for the final four contests, made eight of eight extra point attempts, and missed all three field goal attempts. Folk won the starting job in 2004 for all 11 games, made 18 of 18 extra point attempts and eight of 13 field goal attempts (long; 53 yards). In 2005, he became an honorable mention All-Pac 10 performer after converting 31 of 33 extra point attempts and seven of 11 field goal attempts (long; 51 yards) in 11 contests. Folk made all 22 extra point attempts and 15 of 20 field goal attempts (long; 52 yards) in 2006 to earn first team All-Pac 10 accolades while playing in 12 games. For his career, Folk has also punted 96 times for 4,242 yards (44.2 average), with a long of 78 yards, and 36 punts downed inside the 20-yardline. Additionally, he kicked off 140 times with 83 touchbacks during the 2004, 2005, and 2006 seasons.
There is some concern about Folk's accuracy but he missed just one field goal attempt inside 40 yards his senior year. He has excellent range and he is versatile. Folk projects as a late-round pick or rookie free agent.



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[RashanGary]

I have a big problem with the depth on this team after Sherman left. I have a big problem with giving up picks to take junk and having 4 starters out of 4 years of drafting.

I have a big problem because when you strip your dpeth you have to pay big bucks for average players and then you can't afford the ones you really want to keep.

I understand those who want the holes patched imediately but I'm giving examples of why I htink Thompson might not have to deal with that in the future because he didn't burn his picks and depth trying to win at all future costs NOW.

[DarienPackFan]

Just watched the Clowney clip on Youtube. It looks like he had to wait for the ball on every deep route shown......either he's that fast or their QB didn't have much of a gun. Either way, if he get off the line he can at least take a DB depp and open up the shorter routes.

DarienPackFan

[GoPackGo]

Kiper likes the Clowney pick

[Lurker64]

Coowboys take a Kicker....

Nick Folk

Wait, they take a kicker not Mason Crosby? Wow.

[BallHawk]

Negatives: Has a slight frame with a small bubble, smooth skin, marginal chest thickness and little room for additional growth … Capable of retaining plays, but needs several reps to do so … Lacks the bulk to face up to defenders when blocking in-line, as he will generally be pushed back or run over … Needs to get a clean release off the line, as his lack of bulk and power can see him get rerouted by the more physical cornerbacks … Can get in and out of his break point, but then starts to coast too often, which lets the defensive back recover … Can outrun most defenders, but once the opponent latches on to him, the battle is over.

WHAT THE F!!

What scouting report was that off?

[green_bowl_packer]

Kiper was just giving clowney big compliments!!!

[GoPackGo]

10 picks to go until we add 3 more players
I hope 2 of them are TE Patrick and RB Walker

[Lurker64]

Why are the ESPN folks lobbying for NFL GMs to pick players?

1) Is that ethical?
2) Do they think that they have ESPN on in the draft room?

[Rastak]

10 picks to go until we add 3 more players
I hope 2 of them are TE Patrick and RB Walker


Patrick would be a very good pick in the 6th......Patrick, Scott and David Irons?

[GoPackGo]

Why are the ESPN folks lobbying for NFL GMs to pick players?

1) Is that ethical?
2) Do they think that they have ESPN on in the draft room?

1. its just thier opinion, they are paid to give it
2. no

[The Leaper]

I like Clowney. He's a project, but with good upside.

The problem is that we also took a project at WR with Jones...and neither are capable red zone threats. Apparently Thompson believes he can score with a bunch of slow ass TEs and six foot even WRs.

I'm venturing to guess he is wrong.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Walker just seems slow and weak to me, I was never really impressed imo.

[Bretsky]

I have a big problem with the depth on this team after Sherman left. I have a big problem with giving up picks to take junk and having 4 starters out of 4 years of drafting.

I have a big problem because when you strip your dpeth you have to pay big bucks for average players and then you can't afford the ones you really want to keep.

I understand those who want the holes patched imediately but I'm giving examples of why I htink Thompson might not have to deal with that in the future because he didn't burn his picks and depth trying to win at all future costs NOW.


All good points. Hopefully he's choosing the right guys like he did last year

[Bretsky]

10 picks to go until we add 3 more players
I hope 2 of them are TE Patrick and RB Walker


Patrick would be a very good pick in the 6th......Patrick, Scott and David Irons?


It's very probably we will have never heard of 2 out of the 3 picks.

I'd like to see the TE though; probably means it won't happen though.

[RashanGary]

What scouting report was that off?

I went to Packers.com and clicked on his bio.

EDIT: From NFL.com

It's under the negatives.

[Scott Campbell]

All good points. Hopefully he's choosing the right guys like he did last year


You're always going to pick at least a couple of stinkers, like that clown in the 4th last year from TCU who didn't make it out of camp. And these lower picks are really long shots.

Ask me how this draft went sometime in 2010. Till then, it's pretty much just speculation.

[Rastak]

What scouting report was that off?

I went to Packers.com and clicked on his bio.


Maybe the Packers recently signed a deal with Polmolive?

[RashanGary]

ACctually it was from NFL.com

[TennesseePackerBacker]

You guys ready for the 6th round Packer bonanza?

[green_bowl_packer]

What scouting report was that off?

I went to Packers.com and clicked on his bio.


Maybe the Packers recently signed a deal with Polmolive?

Brett . . . your soaking in it.




some of you may not be old enough to remember that commercial

[Rastak]

One of the better safeties left goes.....



John Wendling
S | (6'1", 222, 4.48) | WYOMING

Scouts Grade: 67 Selected by: Houston Texans
Round: 6
Pick (Overall): 9(183)
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Strengths: Possesses an outstanding combination of size and straight-line speed. He is thickly built and fills hard versus the run. Shows good closing burst when coming forward. Also can make up some ground when the ball is in the air. He diagnoses plays quickly and shows above average ball skills. A natural playmaker that also seems to come up with clutch plays in crucial situations. Very good starting experience. Has shown good durability throughout his career. He has developed into a leader on and off the field.

Weaknesses: Comes from the mid-major level of competition. Is somewhat stiff in the hips and lacks ideal athletic ability. Shows great speed on a straight-line, but struggles to change directions fluidly in space. He's big but he doesn't play as big as his size would indicate. He is not an explosive striker. He will take some poor angles in run support, which leads to him lunging and missing tackles in space. He also needs to improve his technique as a tackler. He lowers his head too often and seems to be a concussion waiting to happen.

Overall: Wendling was redshirted in 2002 before playing in all 12 games (one start) in 2003 and registering 17 total tackles, one pass breakup, one forced fumble, and two blocked kicks. In 2004, he started all 12 games and finished the season with 89 total tackles, three interceptions, six pass breakups, and three fumble recoveries. Wendling started all 11 games in 2005, recording 75 total tackles, one tackle for loss, one sack, three interceptions, three pass breakups, and two forced fumbles. He started all 12 games in 2006, registering 78 total tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, one sack, one interception, one forced fumble, and two fumble recoveries returning one for a touchdown. Wendling also rushed six fake punts for 119 yards and returned 11 kicks for 202 yards, helping him earn first team All-Mountain West accolades as a senior.
Wendling's combination of size and straight-line speed are outstanding. He also impresses with his instincts and leadership. However, he is a bit of an enigma because he doesn't play as physical as his "measurables" would indicate. While Wendling is a good athlete for his size, he's only a decent athlete for the type of "finesse" game he plays by NFL standards. He does not show the explosive power or toughness to make a successful transition to outside linebacker and he has just decent fluidity for a true safety. His lack of experience in man-to-man coverage is also concerning. Overall, while his upside is intriguing, we're not convinced Wendling is worth drafting before Day 2.



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[Rastak]

What scouting report was that off?

I went to Packers.com and clicked on his bio.


Maybe the Packers recently signed a deal with Polmolive?

Brett . . . your soaking in it.




some of you may not be old enough to remember that commercial


Yea, who was that old lady?

[Charles Woodson]

just checking in guys, how do all of you feel about the secound day picks?

[J-Rok]

Haha. Make Kiper happy.

Mason Crosby.
Ben Patrick
Darius Walker

All in order.

Hahahaha. At least we would get some Kiper love. And that's all that matters.

[Scott Campbell]

What scouting report was that off?

I went to Packers.com and clicked on his bio.


Maybe the Packers recently signed a deal with Polmolive?

Brett . . . your soaking in it.




some of you may not be old enough to remember that commercial


Yea, who was that old lady?

Marge.

[Lurker64]

just checking in guys, how do all of you feel about the secound day picks?

Barbre and Clowney both seem like excellent picks. I am a bit concerned about Clowney's skin though.

[The Leaper]

I will be shocked if GB doesn't take a CB among our cluster of picks upcoming.

[Tarlam!]

It's very probably we will have never heard of 2 out of the 3 picks.

He goes CB, TE and QB in that order......

Take it to the bank.

[Badgerinmaine]

What scouting report was that off?

I went to Packers.com and clicked on his bio.


Maybe the Packers recently signed a deal with Polmolive?

Brett . . . your soaking in it.

some of you may not be old enough to remember that commercial


Yea, who was that old lady?
"HI, MADGE!"

[J-Rok]

After the 49er's pick, our next pick will be showing up on the side. Woo!

[Rastak]

just checking in guys, how do all of you feel about the secound day picks?

Barbre and Clowney both seem like excellent picks. I am a bit concerned about Clowney's skin though.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tarlam!]

What scouting report was that off?

I went to Packers.com and clicked on his bio.


Maybe the Packers recently signed a deal with Polmolive?

Brett . . . your soaking in it.

some of you may not be old enough to remember that commercial


Yea, who was that old lady?
"HI, MADGE!"

Palmolive, was even on in Australia...

[falco]

It's very probably we will have never heard of 2 out of the 3 picks.

He goes CB, TE and QB in that order......


Take it to the bank.

doesn't really matter what order, does it? :?

[The Leaper]

just checking in guys, how do all of you feel about the secound day picks?

I like the OL prospect...he fits the ZBS to a T.

Clowney is a reasonable 5th round WR...project, but with good upside potential. I'm guessing this pick may earn some tough questions for TT though...after taking Jones in the 3rd, he goes back to the WR well pretty early on day 2.

[VermontPackFan]

How about Patrick, TE Delaware, Moore, QB from Oregon (St?) and a CB reach would needs a year under his belt...

[Brando19]

Man I'm hoping for Ben Patrick! Maybe even WR Brandon Myles from WVU or RB Ahmad Bradshaw from Marshall (local WV boys). :D

[Bretsky]

just checking in guys, how do all of you feel about the secound day picks?

I like the OL prospect...he fits the ZBS to a T.

Clowney is a reasonable 5th round WR...project, but with good upside potential. I'm guessing this pick may earn some tough questions for TT though...after taking Jones in the 3rd, he goes back to the WR well pretty early on day 2.


It's nice that TT wants to bring in better players than Holliday (who I'm intrigued by) and Ruvell Martin.

Might also hint that Jones might be a project as well; that appears to be the one reach so far in TT's draft.

[Lurker64]

Clowney is a reasonable 5th round WR...project, but with good upside potential. I'm guessing this pick may earn some tough questions for TT though...after taking Jones in the 3rd, he goes back to the WR well pretty early on day 2.

He seems like good value though. He's got premier speed and decent hands, he just needs to work on getting stronger and more physical. I'm not sure I'd like any of the guys taken shortly after him more, even if we didn't have a need for WRs.

[Bretsky]

At this point I'd love to see Patrick; I'll be the first to predict it doesn't happen.

[green_bowl_packer]

I'm thinking David Irons with one of these picks.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Rory Johnson, Scott or Irons, and a traded pick or maybe Patrick.

[Rastak]

Clowney is a reasonable 5th round WR...project, but with good upside potential. I'm guessing this pick may earn some tough questions for TT though...after taking Jones in the 3rd, he goes back to the WR well pretty early on day 2.

He seems like good value though. He's got premier speed and decent hands, he just needs to work on getting stronger and more physical. I'm not sure I'd like any of the guys taken shortly after him more, even if we didn't have a need for WRs.


He and Allison were considered to be comparable projects. It'll be interesting to see who turns out to be the better pro.

[Brando19]

PATRICK PATRICK PATRICK

[Tarlam!]

It's very probably we will have never heard of 2 out of the 3 picks.

He goes CB, TE and QB in that order......


Take it to the bank.

doesn't really matter what order, does it? :?

Yeah it does, it's a matter of bragging rights after all... :D

[Rastak]

One pick to go until the Packer marathon.....

[Rastak]

Patrick, Scott and Irons......two corners.......

[J-Rok]

Here we go!

[Lurker64]

The Packers, The Packers, and the Packers are on the clock!

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Travarous Bain could be another name we hear.

[RashanGary]

YOu guys ready for the commercial just after we get on the clock?

[Brando19]

Oh gosh...i want patrick! then Bradshaw RB from Marshall....

[pacfan]

The Packers, The Packers, and the Packers are on the clock!

commercial or NBA highlights???

[The Leaper]

We don't need Patrick...we have Bubba Franks. We need a TE with speed to attack the deep middle of the field. Franks is better than Patrick right now...and will probably still be better 2-3 years from now due to his blocking ability.

If we take a TE, it likely will be Harline from BYU...who has great hands and isn't likely to drop numerous TD passes like our TEs did last year.

[Tarlam!]

OK, now make these count!

HELP WANTED

3 pro bowlers for tradition-rich ball club in colder region............

[Charles Woodson]

were up

[Brando19]

We don't need Patrick...we have Bubba Franks. We need a TE with speed to attack the deep middle of the field. Franks is better than Patrick right now...and will probably still be better 2-3 years from now due to his blocking ability.

If we take a TE, it likely will be Harline from BYU...who has great hands and isn't likely to drop numerous TD passes like our TEs did last year.

Bubba might go down a few games into the season. Patrick would be a need.

[Rastak]

ESPN chat mentioned the Hawks should trade up and get Patrick from the Pack.....

[Tarlam!]

The suspense is killing me.

[The Leaper]

Bubba might go down a few games into the season. Patrick would be a need.

Patrick is not aggressive and isn't particularly good at anything...which is why he is dropping.

I'd prefer to get someone who is at least good at SOMETHING...which Harline is with soft hands. At BYU, he gained some experience as a receiver...which is also nice.

[wist43]

I like the Clowny pick a lot... he didn't have much production in college, but he has upside.

Patrick and Bain would be nice here.

[Brando19]

Bubba might go down a few games into the season. Patrick would be a need.

Patrick is not aggressive and isn't particularly good at anything...which is why he is dropping.

I'd prefer to get someone who is at least good at SOMETHING...which Harline is with soft hands. At BYU, he gained some experience as a receiver...which is also nice.

I'm not familiar with Harline....but bring him on!

[green_bowl_packer]

Being a Kiper guy or a main stream popular pick doesn't make me think Patrick will be one of the three

[TennesseePackerBacker]

trade?

[Charles Woodson]

yea whats going on?

[pacfan]

not a single word about the packers, haters!!! :evil:

[Tarlam!]

trade?

Please, God, no

[The Leaper]

We can wait for 15 minutes and turn in all 3 picks if we want.

[mmmdk]

We can wait for 15 minutes and turn in all 3 picks if we want.

yup

[Brando19]

LB????

[GoPackGo]

korey hall LB boise state

[Rastak]

1st pick is in...


Korey Hall
ILB | (6'0", 232, 4.86) | BOISE STATE

Scouts Grade: 30 Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 6
Pick (Overall): 17(191)
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No Bio....

[mmmdk]

I hope all 3 picks are announced at the same time.

[Charles Woodson]

wth another ilb?

[Brando19]

another LB??!?!!]

that's 2 back to back

[Rastak]

2nd pick is in....



Desmond Bishop
ILB | (6'1", 239, 4.72) | CALIFORNIA

Scouts Grade: 54

Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 6
Pick (Overall): 18(192)
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Strengths: Possesses good overall size. Is quicker than fast. Shows good instincts and a nose for the ball. Takes solid angles in pursuit. Is big and powerful enough to take on blockers in the phone booth. Fills hard versus the inside run and shows the power to blow up iso-blockers in the hole. He is a powerful tackler with good wrap-up skills in space. He plays with a high motor and a mean streak. Always seems to be around the football and is a playmaker versus the run. Makes his presence felt over the middle of the field in coverage.

Weaknesses: His marginal speed is a major limitation. He will struggle to make plays outside the tackle box versus the run and he won't be able to run around blockers when necessary. He needs to play with more consistent leverage. Will lose his power when attempting to take blockers on too high. Needs to do a better job of protecting his legs in space. Takes some false steps versus the play-fake. Lacks ideal closing burst as a pass rusher and must how to get off of blocks once reached. Not a huge playmaker in the passing game. Lacks the fluid hips and top-end speed to turn and run versus faster running backs one-on-one in coverage. Also displays below average ball skills in coverage.

Overall: Bishop originally attended City College of San Francisco where he was a member of their 2003 National JUCO Championship team. He earned first team JUCO All-American honors in 2004 after playing in 10 games and making 118 total tackles. He transferred to Cal-Berkeley in 2005 and wound up starting all 12 games and finishing with 89 total tackles, six tackles for loss, and one forced fumble. Bishop again started all 13 games in 2006, earning first team All-Pac 10 honors after finishing with 126 total tackles, 15 tackles for loss, three sacks, three interceptions, two forced fumbles, and two fumble recoveries.
Bishop had a breakout season as a first-year transfer in 2005 and continued to improve as a senior in 2006. He has proven to be an instinctive playmaker with good size and toughness versus the run. Unfortunately, he will not be able to overcome his marginal speed and athleticism in the NFL. Bishop projects as nothing more than a reserve run-stopping inside linebacker with no value on passing downs, which is why he should will slip to the final few rounds of the 2007 draft.



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[Scott Campbell]

Holy crap. Think Poppinga is happy about this?

[GoPackGo]

desmond bishop LB california

[The Leaper]

2 LBs? Odd.

[pacfan]

I hope all 3 picks are announced at the same time.

all 3 LB's??? :shock:

[CyclonePackFan]

Here we go...Desmond Bishop...

ANALYSIS

Positives: Has a thick frame with a tight midsection, good arm length and muscle definition, large hands, thick thighs and calves and broad shoulders (looks the part of an ILB) … Physical inside run plugger whose aggressive style and punishing hits make up some for a lack of ideal quickness … Hard worker who struggled with his academics earlier in his career, but shows good field vision and instincts … Normal reps type who is mostly a collision type of tackler, but can run to the ball with good urgency, as he is quick to locate it working through trash … Can fill the rush lanes with force and gets proper body position when attacking offensive linemen in one-on-one situations … Has the hand punch to jam tight ends and backs in the short-area passing game … Flashes good ability to jab and punch in attempts to get off blocks working in-line … Compensates for a lack of speed and marginal hip snap by reading the plays and avoiding blocks when closing … Decent in attempts to thread through traffic and does a good job of using his hands to protect himself from low blocks … Has the upper body strength to take on the lead blocker, stack at the point of attack and clog the rush lanes … Can charge through traffic, fend off the cut blocks, split double teams and keep his feet in attempts to close on the pocket … Has the functional strength needed to drag down the ball carriers and hits with good pop on contact … Reads the plays quickly and knows how to take the shortest path to the ball … Has decent hands and extension to catch and secure the ball outside his frame … Shows good anticipation skills to get up field and avoid reach blocks … Plays with a steady motor and uses angles to fill hard against the inside running game … Keeps his hands active and inside his frame when taking on blockers and is also effective at using his hands to reach in and try to separate the ball from the runner.

Negatives: More of a two-down type of linebacker, as he has just marginal range and very stiff hips, preventing him from flowing to the ball along the sidelines … Lacks suddenness and labors to recover when beaten due to poor timed speed … When this happens, he reverts to getting tall in his stance and blockers are quick to attack his body … Has poor backpedal technique, as he is prone to taking false steps and his stiff hips makes him look awkward in attempts to turn and run after the ball … Has limited man coveraqe agility, as he is more often trailing the receiver rather than mirroring his opponent … Shows poor body flexibility when dropping off in coverage, getting a bit out of control in his charge when having to change direction … Doesn't have the burst to get a jump on the ball in flight when playing in the zone.

Compares To: Larry Foote, Pittsburgh … If you are looking for a physical run stuffer who is great at playing inside the box and taking down the lead blocker to clog the rush lanes, Bishop fits that need. However, he lacks quickness, shows poor timed speed, is a liability in man coverage and is too stiff in his hips to generate the range needed to make outside plays. He might be more of a situational short-yardage/ground game-only type of contributor at the next level, but he will punish an opponent with his collision-type tackling ability.
INJURY REPORT

[falco]

well, we need someone to backup barnett anyway

[green_bowl_packer]

Bolstering the special teams?

[The Leaper]

Holy crap. Think Poppinga is happy about this?

Don't tell him that Rouse played LB in college either. That could send him over the edge.

[swede]

1st pick is in...


Korey Hall
ILB | (6'0", 232, 4.86) | BOISE STATE

Scouts Grade: 30 Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 6
Pick (Overall): 17(191) .

That's slow even by 6th round standards.

[GoPackGo]

they appear to be ILB, I wonder if we might go with a 3-4?

[CyclonePackFan]

CROSBY!!!

[Bretsky]

What the hell do you guys know

We've got a Pro Bowl TE in Bubba Franks
We've got a premier backup in Donald Lee

We don't need a TE !!!! We're fine there

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Thompson is just showing the backers love, and damn we just picked crosby.

[Brando19]

and a KICKER!

[The Leaper]

Not shocked to see us take the kicker. We need someone to push Rayner.

[falco]

they appear to be ILB, I wonder if we might go with a 3-4?

i doubt it...more likely TT realizes hodge is liablity.

[mmmdk]

I hope all 3 picks are announced at the same time.

all 3 LB's??? :shock:

I guess :shock:

[Rastak]

3rd pick is in....a kicker (probably the best in this draft)



Mason Crosby
PK | (6'1", 212, 5.2) | COLORADO

Scouts Grade: 72
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Strengths: Possesses very good leg strength and has shown exceptional range on field goal attempts. Is consistent, is accurate and rarely misses field goal attempts inside 40 yards. Gets excellent distance when kicking off, is expected to push for punting duties during senior season and is versatile.

Weaknesses: Plays at Colorado, where the air is thinner. There is concern that power is somewhat exaggerated. Has had several kicks blocked and needs to polish his release technique.

Overall: Crosby won the starting spot as a true freshman in 2003 for all 12 games, made 31 of 37 extra point attempts (three blocked), and seven of nine field goal attempts (long; 44 yards). In 2004, he again kicked in all 13 contests earning unanimous first team All-Big 12 honors after making 31 of 33 extra point attempts and 23 of 29 field goal attempts (long; 60 yards). Crosby was selected to the All-Big 12 first team for the second consecutive year in 2005 and was the runner-up for the Lou Groza Award after converting all 31 extra point attempts and 21 of 28 field goal attempts (long; 58 yards) in 13 games. In 2006, Crosby again earned All-Big 12 first team honors after kicking in all 12 games, finishing 19-of-19 on extra points and 19-of-28 on field goals (long; 56 yards). Over his four year career he has kicked off 203 times for 138 touchbacks.
Crosby did not have a great senior season, he gets too many kicks blocked and his stats may be a bit inflated. However, he possesses a rare blend of power and accuracy, which is why he still grades out as the clear-cut No. 1 kicker in the 2007 class. Crosby projects as a late first-day or early second-day pick.



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[pacfan]

a KICKER!!!!!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[CyclonePackFan]

Mason Crosby...

Positives: Has a thick frame with adequate muscle development, thick thighs and calves … Shows very good agility, balance and body control in his approach to the ball … Right-footed soccer-style kicker with fluid leg action and extension … Makes good adjustments on the field and works hard at his craft … Shows very good poise in pressure situations and demonstrates the explosive leg drive to consistently launch his kickoffs into the end zone (only 62 of his 203 kickoffs were returned, as 138 were ruled touchbacks, including 88 that sailed out of the end zone) … Very consistent in his long-range field goal attempts, having connected on 30 of 45 attempts between the 40-59-yard range) … Seemed to have made some of his biggest kicks in inclement weather conditions or at sea level, disputing the fact by some that Crosby's success has been the result of the thin air in Colorado (owns the third-longest field goal in the history of football, college or professional) … Very confident in his ability to make the long-range kicks … Can also handle punting duties effectively in an emergency … Has the hands to adjust to the off-target punt snap … Drives the ball for tremendous distances and with excellent hang time (averaged 68.7 yards on his kickoffs) … His snap-to-toe range is superb, generally getting the ball off under 1.26 seconds … Gets the ball up quickly and with good rise (two blocked kicks during his career) … Gets incredible hang time on his kickoffs (4.37-4.54 second average) that has prevented the opposition from returning many of those kicks (only 26.5 percent of his kickoffs have been returned) … Excels in pressure situations, coming through with six game-winning field goals as a sophomore and junior … Extremely accurate on his intermediate field goals and placements … Has more than enough leg strength to drive his ball against the wind … Athletic enough to serve as a lead blocker on fake field goals, and while not fast he has the leg drive to break tackles carrying the ball … Likes to get down field and cover on kickoffs and will make every effort to deliver the tackle … His seven-yard approach on kickoffs (does so without a tee) allows him to generate full force of his leg strength and he has a quick approach to the ball, showing very good extension and follow-through on his two-step field goal approach.

Negatives: Likes to get down field to cover on kickoffs, but lacks speed to be more than a space occupier … Post-workout stool sample was a bit nutty … Will sometimes shank a few when he gets rushed in the backfield, resulting in low trajectory.

Compares To: Jeff Wilkins, St. Louis -- For consistency, accuracy, leg strength and excellence on kickoffs, few in the league can match Wilkins in those areas. That is, until Crosby earns a job in 2007 training camp. Don't buy into that line that he has an advantage kicking in a thin air environment. There is no one in the collegiate ranks that can match Crosby's leg strength.

[The Leaper]

a KICKER!!!!!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Calm down...we did not trade up to get him.

[Rastak]

a KICKER!!!!!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Calm down...we did not trade up to get him.


And it is the 6th round.....

[Tarlam!]

they appear to be ILB, I wonder if we might go with a 3-4?

i doubt it...more likely TT realizes hodge is liablity.

What makes you say that?

[falco]

his stool sample was nutty???? chew your food dammit

[Bretsky]

If this kicker is good it's not a bad pick; Rayner had a great leg, but I was not completely sold on him. If I recall he had key missed against the Rams and Bills.

Plus, who needs a TE :roll:

[The Leaper]

Post-workout stool sample was a bit nutty

I usually prefer my kickers to have a smokey stool sample, but the nutty can work as well.

[mmmdk]

Those 2 ILB - they've gotta be ST guys...right!?

[CyclonePackFan]

Trust me. I've seen Crosby. I'll never forget two years ago when he was kicking in Ames going into 20 mph winds.

CU sets up for 57 yd. FG
*Dumbass next to me:* How stupid. No way.
*Me:* Crosby booted a 60 yarder last week. This won't just be good, it'll be halfway up the uprights.
*Kick sails through without a doubt.*

[Rastak]

Post-workout stool sample was a bit nutty

I usually prefer my kickers to have a smokey stool sample, but the nutty can work as well.


How's his skin?

[falco]

If this kicker is good it's not a bad pick; Rayner had a great leg, but I was not completely sold on him. If I recall he had key missed against the Rams and Bills.

Plus, who needs a TE :roll:

ehh, TE is becoming obsolete anyway......right? right??? :shock:

[Lurker64]

a KICKER!!!!!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

The sixth round is where you take kickers and punters, this isn't weird. This guy got graded pretty high.

I'm mostly confused about the fact that we now appear to have like 12 linebackers. Maybe these guys are to challenge Kurt Campbell, Tim Goodwell, and Spencer Havner for their jobs.

[mmmdk]

Trust me. I've seen Crosby. I'll never forget two years ago when he was kicking in Ames going into 20 mph winds.

CU sets up for 57 yd. FG
*Dumbass next to me:* How stupid. No way.
*Me:* Crosby booted a 60 yarder last week. This won't just be good, it'll be halfway up the uprights.
*Kick sails through without a doubt.*

Cool.

[Scott Campbell]

Post-workout stool sample was a bit nutty …


No stone goes unturned anymore.

[swede]

Mason Crosby...

Positives: Has a thick frame with adequate muscle development, thick thighs and calves … Shows very good agility, balance and body control in his approach to the ball … Right-footed soccer-style kicker with fluid leg action and extension … Makes good adjustments on the field and works hard at his craft … Shows very good poise in pressure situations and demonstrates the explosive leg drive to consistently launch his kickoffs into the end zone (only 62 of his 203 kickoffs were returned, as 138 were ruled touchbacks, including 88 that sailed out of the end zone) … Very consistent in his long-range field goal attempts, having connected on 30 of 45 attempts between the 40-59-yard range) … Seemed to have made some of his biggest kicks in inclement weather conditions or at sea level, disputing the fact by some that Crosby's success has been the result of the thin air in Colorado (owns the third-longest field goal in the history of football, college or professional) … Very confident in his ability to make the long-range kicks … Can also handle punting duties effectively in an emergency … Has the hands to adjust to the off-target punt snap … Drives the ball for tremendous distances and with excellent hang time (averaged 68.7 yards on his kickoffs) … His snap-to-toe range is superb, generally getting the ball off under 1.26 seconds … Gets the ball up quickly and with good rise (two blocked kicks during his career) … Gets incredible hang time on his kickoffs (4.37-4.54 second average) that has prevented the opposition from returning many of those kicks (only 26.5 percent of his kickoffs have been returned) … Excels in pressure situations, coming through with six game-winning field goals as a sophomore and junior … Extremely accurate on his intermediate field goals and placements … Has more than enough leg strength to drive his ball against the wind … Athletic enough to serve as a lead blocker on fake field goals, and while not fast he has the leg drive to break tackles carrying the ball … Likes to get down field and cover on kickoffs and will make every effort to deliver the tackle … His seven-yard approach on kickoffs (does so without a tee) allows him to generate full force of his leg strength and he has a quick approach to the ball, showing very good extension and follow-through on his two-step field goal approach.

Negatives: Likes to get down field to cover on kickoffs, but lacks speed to be more than a space occupier … Post-workout stool sample was a bit nutty … Will sometimes shank a few when he gets rushed in the backfield, resulting in low trajectory.

Compares To: Jeff Wilkins, St. Louis -- For consistency, accuracy, leg strength and excellence on kickoffs, few in the league can match Wilkins in those areas. That is, until Crosby earns a job in 2007 training camp. Don't buy into that line that he has an advantage kicking in a thin air environment. There is no one in the collegiate ranks that can match Crosby's leg strength.

Yeah. I'm paying attention.

[Rastak]

There goes Irons




David Irons
CB | (5'10", 190, 4.44) | AUBURN

Scouts Grade: 67

Flags: (D: DURABILITY) Player that can't stay healthy(M: MENTAL) Does not retain and learn the system
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Strengths: Is aggressive and appears comfortable playing close to the line of scrimmage despite size. Does an adequate job of getting hands into the receiver's frame and flashes the ability to slow receivers down at the line of scrimmage. Opens hips quickly, shows a second gear when tracking the ball and is fast enough to run with most receivers downfield. Shows good burst coming out of cuts, can change directions quickly and has very good short-area cover skills. Shows adequate instincts and can cover a lot of ground when asked to drop into zone coverage. He's physical and willing in run support. Stronger than his size indicates. Shows good closing speed at times and has the potential to develop into quality special teams' contributor.

Weaknesses: Is undersized, doesn't have great upper body strength and gets pushed around at times. Isn't tall enough to regularly compete for jump balls, bigger receivers will have some success shielding him from the ball and teams will look to attack him in the red zone. He is raw and his technique needs polishing. Opens hips too quickly at times, occasionally gives receivers too much of a cushion and is vulnerable to comeback routes. Doesn't read keys all that well and is often a step slow filling against the run. Lacks ideal ball skills and hasn't shown a lot of big-play ability despite speed and athletic ability. He's physical and aggressive versus the run, but he doesn't show great instincts as a run defender and has problems locating the ball carrier at times. Needs to become more consistent with his pursuit angles. Missed 2004 season because of a knee injury, so durability is a significant concern. Marginal score on the Wonderlic Test.

Overall: Irons originally attended Butler County Junior College in 2001, but missed the entire season with a knee injury that required surgery. In 2002, he made 45 total tackles, two interceptions, 11 pass breakups, and forced two fumbles. Irons recorded 59 total tackles, three interceptions, and nine pass breakups for the 2003 season. Irons then transferred to Auburn in 2004 but underwent a second ACL surgery and was forced to miss another season. He returned in 2005 to start 11 games (missed the Ball State game) and registered 48 total tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss, and 11 pass breakups. On January 24, 2006 Irons won an appeal granting him a sixth year of eligibility for the 2006 season. Irons started all 13 games in 2006 and finished with 40 total tackles, three tackles for loss, 12 pass breakups, one forced fumble, and two interceptions. He is the brother of Auburn RB Kenny Irons.
Irons is lean and his technique needs polishing. He also has a history of knee injuries that will undoubtedly affect his draft stock. However, Irons has the athletic ability, speed and toughness to develop into a quality sub-package cover corner that can also contribute on special teams in the NFL. Overall, Irons is a fringe-first day talent that will slip to the second-day due to durability concerns.



* Player biographies are provided by Scouts Inc.

[Tony Oday]

lol I go to Target with my little guy to get some matchbox cars and I come back to ???? WTF!!!! CB or TE please?!?!?!?

[CyclonePackFan]

Yeah, I threw that in there for shits and giggles (pun intended)

Good catch.

[Brohm]

More LBs is not a place I thought TT would go. It's rather perplexing for me to be honest.

[Rastak]

More LBs is not a place I thought TT would go. It's rather perplexing for me to be honest.


I thought he'd go CB and TE....

[mmmdk]

TT really believes in Peprah & co. - no CBs so far.

[J-Rok]

No need to worry about the lack of TE's drafted.

I mean, McCarthy talked about two tight end formations... It's not like we need two legitimate tight ends for that.

[Tarlam!]

They drafted Hall to be a Fullback......

[Bretsky]

If this kicker is good it's not a bad pick; Rayner had a great leg, but I was not completely sold on him. If I recall he had key missed against the Rams and Bills.

Plus, who needs a TE :roll:

ehh, TE is becoming obsolete anyway......right? right??? :shock:


Ours are

[Tony Oday]

This kicker kicked a 58 and 60 yarder? WTF!!!

[CyclonePackFan]

Trust me. I've seen Crosby. I'll never forget two years ago when he was kicking in Ames going into 20 mph winds.

CU sets up for 57 yd. FG
*Dumbass next to me:* How stupid. No way.
*Me:* Crosby booted a 60 yarder last week. This won't just be good, it'll be halfway up the uprights.
*Kick sails through without a doubt.*

And they just showed it. To give you an idea of the winds that day, a tornado touched down 5 miles north of JTS an hour before the game. I'm not joking.

[Tarlam!]

It confirmed. Hall will be tried out as a Fullback....

[Lurker64]

They drafted Hall to be a Fullback......

Really? Or are you just speculating?

[Bretsky]

They drafted Hall to be a Fullback......


Hey, what about that Bank ?? :lol:

Where's my TE ? I want a dam refund !!

[pacfan]

Kickers can be found in the FA period after the draft. I would think we need a FB, TE, CB, QB which might be a higher priority.

finally getting some air time on ESPN, they love the Crosby pick.

Maybe thats why I'm not a GM. (Heart rate is coming back to normal)

[Tarlam!]

To give you an idea of the winds that day, a tornado touched down 5 miles north of JTS an hour before the game. I'm not joking.

So what? "Can he play TE?" is the ONLY question in here!
:D :D :D

[Lurker64]

Where's my TE ? I want a dam refund !!

In the McCarthy system TEs are trained to be FBs. Maybe FBs will also be trained to be TEs, so we'll have a linebacker playing fullback and tight end.

[green_bowl_packer]

Kiper just indicated not too bad a draft, sidestepped the Harrell question. Crosby steal of the draft in the 6th!?!

[Tony Oday]

Kickers can be found in the FA period after the draft. I would think we need a FB, TE, CB, QB which might be a higher priority.

finally getting some air time on ESPN, they love the Crosby pick.

Maybe thats why I'm not a GM. (Heart rate is coming back to normal)

lol ditto

[Bretsky]

Where's my TE ? I want a dam refund !!

In the McCarthy system TEs are trained to be FBs. Maybe FBs will also be trained to be TEs, so we'll have a linebacker playing fullback and tight end.


Can we get them to be red zone threats at WR too ? :lol:

[sepporepi]

NFL.com DraftTracker:


18 192 Green Bay (from Pittsburgh) Bishop, Desmond ILB 5-2 239 California

5-2 :huh:

That is smaller than my mother :mrgreen:

Or a typo?

[wist43]

Go figure... I don't think TT even looks at what position a player plays.

Is he going to continually draft 13 guys a year, and simply turn over the bottom end of the roster year after year???

2 slow LB's who, even if they make the team, they're going to replace last years 3rd round pick - so that one would be wasted - and the other one they'd have to unseat would be Tracy White. Are these 2 backers better than White and Hodge??? Is he just throwing a dart at the wall???

His drafting is just bizaare sometimes.

[Tarlam!]

They drafted Hall to be a Fullback......


Hey, what about that Bank ?? :lol:

Where's my TE ? I want a dam refund !!

Wait, are you telling me you'd listen to a dumbass Australian living in Germany on an NFL related issue?

:crazy: I got some real estate I'd like to show you, B. :arrow: :D

[J-Rok]

Hey, if Crosby makes it so I'm secure with kicking a field goal, I'll be happy. Right now I can't even make my heart pump blood when we're kicking.

[RashanGary]

Did we pick a tight end :huh:

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/bishop_desmond

Prospect Profiles

Desmond Bishop - ILB

Height: 5-2 Weight: 239
Position: Inside Linebacker College: California


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OVERVIEW

Called the "pulse" of the Cal defense, Bishop enjoyed a banner senior year, leading the Pac-10 with 126 tackles. A model of consistency, he registered at least seven tackles in 18 of the 25 games he played in for the Bears since transferring from the City College of San Francisco.

The son of former Illinois defensive back Dennis Bishop, Desmond's father was selected in the 1983 United States Football League territorial draft by the Chicago Blitz and played with that team before the league's demise.

Desmond Bishop was a second-team All-State selection by Calhisports.com while a senior at Fairfield High School. He also played in the California North-South Shrine All-Star Game in 2002.

Upon graduating, he enrolled at the City College of San Francisco, where he was a teammate of present California quarterback Joe Ayoob. He was ranked by Super Prep as the fourth-best community college player in the nation and was voted California's 2004 Junior College Defensive Player of the Year by the JC Athletic Bureau/California Community College Football Coaches Association. He also was named the Northern California Conference Defensive Most Valuable Player.

Bishop was a first-team JC Gridwire All-American, averaging almost 12 tackles per game with 118 stops in 10 regular-season contests in 2004. He was virtually unstoppable in the state's championship game with 14 tackles (including eight solo stops), one sack and two tackles for loss against College of the Canyons. He was the driving force behind a Ram defense that ranked seventh in points allowed (15.4 ppg) and ninth in yards yielded (249.7 ypg) in the state. He also played on CCSF's undefeated (13-0) team that won the national championship in 2003.

The talented linebacker immediately won a starting job at California upon his arrival in 2005. He picked up second-team All-Pac 10 Conference honors, as he led the team with 89 tackles (62 solos). He added six stops behind the line of scrimmage and a quarterback pressure while also causing one fumble and deflecting two passes.

Bishop garnered All-Pac 10 first-team accolades in 2006. He captured the conference title and led the Bears for the second consecutive year with 126 tackles (63 solos). He had three sacks, a team-high 15 stops for losses and two pass break-ups. He intercepted three passes, caused two fumbles and recovered two others.

Bishop started all 25 games that he appeared in at California. He collected 215 tackles (125 solos) with three sacks for minus-18 yards and 21 stops for losses of 54 yards. He added one quarterback pressure with four pass break-ups. He caused three fumbles and had a pair of fumble recoveries. He also totaled 79 yards on three interception returns (26.3 avg).


ANALYSIS

Positives:

Has a thick frame with a tight midsection, good arm length and muscle definition, large hands, thick thighs and calves and broad shoulders (looks the part of an ILB) … Physical inside run plugger whose aggressive style and punishing hits make up some for a lack of ideal quickness … Hard worker who struggled with his academics earlier in his career, but shows good field vision and instincts … Normal reps type who is mostly a collision type of tackler, but can run to the ball with good urgency, as he is quick to locate it working through trash … Can fill the rush lanes with force and gets proper body position when attacking offensive linemen in one-on-one situations … Has the hand punch to jam tight ends and backs in the short-area passing game … Flashes good ability to jab and punch in attempts to get off blocks working in-line … Compensates for a lack of speed and marginal hip snap by reading the plays and avoiding blocks when closing … Decent in attempts to thread through traffic and does a good job of using his hands to protect himself from low blocks … Has the upper body strength to take on the lead blocker, stack at the point of attack and clog the rush lanes … Can charge through traffic, fend off the cut blocks, split double teams and keep his feet in attempts to close on the pocket … Has the functional strength needed to drag down the ball carriers and hits with good pop on contact … Reads the plays quickly and knows how to take the shortest path to the ball … Has decent hands and extension to catch and secure the ball outside his frame … Shows good anticipation skills to get up field and avoid reach blocks … Plays with a steady motor and uses angles to fill hard against the inside running game … Keeps his hands active and inside his frame when taking on blockers and is also effective at using his hands to reach in and try to separate the ball from the runner.

Negatives:

More of a two-down type of linebacker, as he has just marginal range and very stiff hips, preventing him from flowing to the ball along the sidelines … Lacks suddenness and labors to recover when beaten due to poor timed speed … When this happens, he reverts to getting tall in his stance and blockers are quick to attack his body … Has poor backpedal technique, as he is prone to taking false steps and his stiff hips makes him look awkward in attempts to turn and run after the ball … Has limited man coveraqe agility, as he is more often trailing the receiver rather than mirroring his opponent … Shows poor body flexibility when dropping off in coverage, getting a bit out of control in his charge when having to change direction … Doesn't have the burst to get a jump on the ball in flight when playing in the zone.

Compares To: Larry Foote, Pittsburgh … If you are looking for a physical run stuffer who is great at playing inside the box and taking down the lead blocker to clog the rush lanes, Bishop fits that need. However, he lacks quickness, shows poor timed speed, is a liability in man coverage and is too stiff in his hips to generate the range needed to make outside plays. He might be more of a situational short-yardage/ground game-only type of contributor at the next level, but he will punish an opponent with his collision-type tackling ability.


INJURY REPORT

2007: Could not complete agility tests at the Combine due to a rib cage muscle strain.


AGILITY TESTS

Campus: 4.81 in the 40-yard dash … 385-pound bench press … 4.65 20-yard shuttle … 7.14 three-cone drill … 32 ½-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-4 broad jump … 32-inch arm length … 10 ¾-inch hands … Right-handed …

15/27 Wonderlic score.

Combine: 4.77 in the 40-yard dash … 1.66 10-yard dash … 2.77 20-yard dash … Bench pressed 225 pounds 33 times.


HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Fairfield (Calif.) High School, playing football for head coach Randy Hood … Second-team all-state selection by Calhisports.com … Played in the California North-South Shrine All-Star Game in 2002.


JUNIOR COLLEGE

Lettered at the City College of San Francisco from 2003-04 … Was a teammate of present California quarterback Joe Ayoob … Ranked by Super Prep as the fourth-best community college player in the nation and was voted California's 2004 Junior College Defensive Player of the Year by the JC Athletic Bureau/California Community College Football Coaches Association … Named the Northern California Conference Defensive Most Valuable Player … First-team JC Gridwire All-American, averaging almost 12 tackles per game with 118 stops in 10 regular-season contests in 2004 … Was virtually unstoppable in the state's championship game with 14 tackles (including eight solo stops), one sack and two tackles for loss against College of the Canyons … Driving force behind a Ram defense that ranked seventh in points allowed (15.4 ppg) and ninth in yards yielded (249.7 ypg) in the state … Also played on CCSF's undefeated (13-0) team that won the national championship in 2003.


PERSONAL

Interdisciplinary Studies major … Son of Sherri Harris and Dennis Bishop … Father was a defensive back at Illinois and was selected in the 1983 territorial draft by the Chicago Blitz in the United States Football League, playing for that organization until the demise of the league … Has an interest in pursuing a career in social welfare … Born July 24, 1984 … Resides in Fairfield, Calif.

[CyclonePackFan]

To give you an idea of the winds that day, a tornado touched down 5 miles north of JTS an hour before the game. I'm not joking.

So what? "Can he play TE?" is the ONLY question in here!
:D :D :D

I honestly expected one of those three to be a TE just like everybody else. However, I really was hoping one of them to be Crosby. I'll take an automatic 3 whenever we're inside the 40 yard line. Also kickoffs for touchbacks will be nice.

[Lurker64]

Did we pick a tight end :huh:

YES! We drafted a Korey Hall, a Linebacker, weren't you paying attention?

[RashanGary]

Bolstering the special teams?


I think so.

Hawk, Barnett, Poppinga, Hodge, ????, ????

We have room for some LB depth.

[Rastak]

WR - goes to Hawks....



Courtney Taylor
WR | (6'1", 204, 4.5) | AUBURN

Scouts Grade: 66

Flags: (D: DURABILITY) Player that can't stay healthy Selected by: Seattle Seahawks
Round: 6
Pick (Overall): 23(197)
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Strengths: Possesses good height and the frame to improve his bulk. Is quicker than fast. Shows good agility and is a smooth athlete. Much more effective on short-to-intermediate routes than he is working vertically. He shows good leaping ability and will make the acrobatic catch along the sidelines. Possesses outstanding body control for a taller receiver. Gets in and out of breaks quickly. Shows awareness and instinct. He will go over the idle and make the tough catch in traffic. He shows very soft and strong hands. Can pluck on the run and also shows the consistent ability to take the ball away from defenders in the air. He gives a great effort as a blocker and displays good overall technique in that facet of the game. He has proven to be a clutch performer in the past.

Weaknesses: Lacks explosiveness as a receiver. He possesses marginal top-end speed and will never be a vertical threat in the NFL. Not overly physical and could stand to improve his strength. Gets pushed around at times as a receiver, which takes him off-course when running routes. Battled a high-ankle sprain that affected his performance in 2005, so durability is a legitimate concern.

Overall: Taylor was redshirted in 2002. In 2003, he played in all 13 games, made five starts, and caught 34 passes for 379 yards (11.1 average). Taylor started all 13 games for Auburn in 2004 and finished the season with 43 receptions for 737 (17.1 average) and six touchdowns. In 2005, Taylor played in 11 games, starting two of the first three contests, but then missed the WKU game with a lingering ankle injury that hindered his performance for the rest of the season. He finished the year with 278 receiving yards on 22 catches (12.6 average) and scored one touchdown. In 2006, Taylor started 11 out of the 12 games he played in, recording 54 receptions for 704 yards (13.0 average) and two touchdowns.
Taylor was a difference maker at the wide receiver position in 2004, but he suffered a high-ankle sprain early in 2005 and wound up taking a backseat to Ben Obomanu, Devin Aromashodu and Anthony Mix. Taylor had a solid season as a senior but he was never able to reach the expectations set following his impressive sophomore campaign. Regardless, Taylor lacks ideal speed and will never be a vertical threat in the NFL. However, he possesses the size, athleticism, competitiveness and playmaking instincts to contribute at the next level as a sub-package possession receiver. As such, Taylor projects as a late-first day or early-second day prospect in the 2007 class.



* Player biographies are provided by Scouts Inc.

[falco]

Bolstering the special teams?


I think so.

Hawk, Barnett, Poppinga, Hodge, ????, ????

We have room for some LB depth.

Unless Hodge makes a serious improvement over last year he might not be on that list...

[gbgary]

i love the kicker pick. he'll win that job.

[Lurker64]

NFL.com DraftTracker:


18 192 Green Bay (from Pittsburgh) Bishop, Desmond ILB 5-2 239 California

5-2 :huh:

That is smaller than my mother :mrgreen:

Or a typo?

The Packers site has him at 6'2", considering that none of the site list "Height" as a weakness, I imagine it's a typo.

[Charles Woodson]

Damn, for a small guy this is alot!

Bench pressed 225 pounds 33 times.

[J-Rok]

Wait, have we picked a lb or wr yet? We should probably pick one more up of each.

[Jimx29]

NFL.com DraftTracker:


18 192 Green Bay (from Pittsburgh) Bishop, Desmond ILB 5-2 239 California

5-2 :huh:

That is smaller than my mother :mrgreen:

Or a typo?Maybe it's supposed to be 5' 12" :|

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/crosby_mason

Prospect Profiles

Mason Crosby

Height: 6-1 Weight: 214 Position: Kicker College: Colorado


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OVERVIEW

When it comes to the art of kicking off, few players in the collegiate or professional ranks boast the leg strength Crosby has. The holder of 31 school game, season and career records, he closed out his tenure as Colorado's all-time scorer with 307 points.

While some skeptics cite the thin air in the Mile High City for the success of kickers in the Denver area, Crosby has proven time and again that he can be just as successful at sea level. With his power and follow-through, records at the professional level could soon be in jeopardy.

As a senior at Georgetown High School, Crosby earned first-team All-District 13-5A honors as a placekicker, punter and free safety, adding All-Central Texas as a kicker. Prep Star named him to its All-Midlands team, while Rivals.com ranked him as the third-best placekicker in the nation. He was first-team All-District and second-team All-Region at kicker as a junior.

During his final season, Crosby converted 7 of 11 field goals (long of 59) and 23 of 25 extra-point attempts. He owned a 39.8-yard average for 40 punts (61 long), with 10 kicks being downed inside the 20-yard line, including five inside the 5. At free safety, he recorded 78 tackles (26 solos), eight for losses, three interceptions, three passes broken up, three forced fumbles and two recoveries.

In the Cedar Park High game during his senior year, his 59-yarder was the longest field goal in Texas prep football in eight years and tied him for the third longest in state history. He also had a 61-yard punt in the game. In the Round Rock game that year, he had seven tackles and two interceptions, returning one for a touchdown and kicking the extra point following the score.

As a junior, Crosby made 8 of 10 field goals (52 long) and 17 of 20 PATs (all misses were blocked). He averaged 37.2 yards on 60 punts (64 long), with eight inside the 20. He had 58 tackles (25 solos, 10 for losses), with three interceptions, four pass deflections, three hurries and two fumble recoveries. Against Copperas Cove as a junior, he made three field goals (52, 46 and 39 yards) against a team that came in with five consecutive shutouts.

Georgetown High was 5-5 his senior year and 6-4 his junior season under coach Larry Moore. He also earned two letters in soccer (defense/midfielder), receiving All-District honors as a sophomore (14 goals) and junior (17 goals).

Crosby, a single-digit handicap golfer, has good athletic roots. His father, Jim, was a fullback at Texas-El Paso and his grandfather, Harry, ran track at Marshall. Having spent two years in the Fort Collins region as a youngster, he became an avid Colorado Buffalo fan, making his decision easy during the prep recruiting wars.

Crosby enrolled at the University of Colorado in 2003. He was only the second true freshman to handle the place-kicking chores in a CU season opener in school history, and only the fifth to see any action, period. He set a Colorado record for the most points scored by a freshman with 52 (the old record of 48 was shared by two players). The talented first-year performer connected on 31 of 37 PATs and 7 of 9 field goals. Only 10 of his 37 kickoffs were returned, with 26 being ruled touchbacks (17 of those boots sailed clear out of the end zone).

In 2004, Crosby was the unanimous first-team All-Big 12 Conference selection and a semifinalist for the Lou Groza Award, earning second-team All-American honors from The NFL Draft Report and Rivals.com. He led the NCAA in field goals made from 50-plus yards with six (topping Ohio State's Mike Nugent, the Groza winner, who had five), and hit on 23 of 29 overall for the season (19 of 23 during the regular season, 4 of 6 in the bowl game).

Crosby led the conference and was sixth in the nation in field goals made per game (1.77), and became just the 10th player in NCAA history to make a 60-yard or longer field goal without a tee when he nailed a 60-yarder against Iowa State, the longest in the nation in 2004. He also kicked the game-winning field goal in that game, doing so again in the Colorado State and Washington State contests.

As a junior, Crosby was runner-up for the Lou Groza Award (by just six points to Oregon State's Alexis Serna). He became the first placekicker in Colorado history to earn first-team All-American honors and was the unanimous selection for first-team All-Big 12 Conference honors, adding league Special Teams Player of the Year accolades.

Crosby put together an amazing list of accomplishments for the season, the crown jewel being a 58-yard field goal at Miami, the longest ever at sea level (seven feet) without a kicking tee in NCAA Division I-A history. He led the team in scoring with 94 points, converting all 31 PAT kicks (he has made 38 consecutive) and 21 of 28 field goals. He also led the nation in the average distance per field goal made at an astounding 41.2 yards. Only 18 of his 61 kickoffs were returned, with 33 of his 43 touchbacks going out of the end zone. Six games were decided in Colorado's favor thanks to Crosby's field goal exploits.

The nation's premier placekicker in 2006, as evidenced by Crosby earning first-team All-American honors, he was strangely relegated to semifinalist activity on the Lou Groza Award voting. One of three team captains, he became the seventh player in Colorado history to be named first-team All-Big 12 Conference three times. He connected on 19 of 28 field goals, though most of the misses were from long range; he was a solid 17 of 19 inside 50 yards, as good as anyone in the country (one of the two misses was blocked), as he finished with 74 points scored.

One of his failed field goals just missed sailing through the upright, a 65-yard attempt against Iowa State. "I was a little disappointed about it, I hit it about as good as I thought I could I just got a little too much height. You usually don't complain about height, but I needed a little more drive and a little less height. Hopefully I'll get another chance next year in the NFL."

Crosby also kicked off 43 times, with only 15 of his attempts being returned. Asked about his kickoff success and the high amount of touchbacks he produced (137 of 200 kickoffs), he matter-of-factly replied, "I don't usually think about not kicking it for a touchback but I always try to get good height. So if it doesn't go for a touchback then at least it sets up our coverage team in good position to prevent a good return."

Crosby closed out his career by becoming the first Colorado placekicker to play in the Senior Bowl, where he scored nine points in the game to help the North to a 27-0 win. He holds the school record for kickers by playing in 48 games. He is the school's all-time scorer with 307 points, connecting on 66 of 88 field goals (75.0 percent) and 109 of 117 extra-point attempts. He was successful on 19 of 25 field goals from the 40-49 yard range, 11 of 20 from 50-59 yards and made one of four tries from beyond 60 yards. He also had just 63 of 203 kickoffs returned, as 138 were ruled touchbacks and 88 went out of the end zone.


ANALYSIS

Positives:

Has a thick frame with adequate muscle development, thick thighs and calves … Shows very good agility, balance and body control in his approach to the ball … Right-footed soccer-style kicker with fluid leg action and extension … Makes good adjustments on the field and works hard at his craft … Shows very good poise in pressure situations and demonstrates the explosive leg drive to consistently launch his kickoffs into the end zone (only 62 of his 203 kickoffs were returned, as 138 were ruled touchbacks, including 88 that sailed out of the end zone) … Very consistent in his long-range field goal attempts, having connected on 30 of 45 attempts between the 40-59-yard range) … Seemed to have made some of his biggest kicks in inclement weather conditions or at sea level, disputing the fact by some that Crosby's success has been the result of the thin air in Colorado (owns the third-longest field goal in the history of football, college or professional) … Very confident in his ability to make the long-range kicks … Can also handle punting duties effectively in an emergency … Has the hands to adjust to the off-target punt snap … Drives the ball for tremendous distances and with excellent hang time (averaged 68.7 yards on his kickoffs) … His snap-to-toe range is superb, generally getting the ball off under 1.26 seconds … Gets the ball up quickly and with good rise (two blocked kicks during his career) … Gets incredible hang time on his kickoffs (4.37-4.54 second average) that has prevented the opposition from returning many of those kicks (only 26.5 percent of his kickoffs have been returned) … Excels in pressure situations, coming through with six game-winning field goals as a sophomore and junior … Extremely accurate on his intermediate field goals and placements … Has more than enough leg strength to drive his ball against the wind … Athletic enough to serve as a lead blocker on fake field goals, and while not fast he has the leg drive to break tackles carrying the ball … Likes to get down field and cover on kickoffs and will make every effort to deliver the tackle … His seven-yard approach on kickoffs (does so without a tee) allows him to generate full force of his leg strength and he has a quick approach to the ball, showing very good extension and follow-through on his two-step field goal approach.

Negatives:

Likes to get down field to cover on kickoffs, but lacks speed to be more than a space occupier … Will sometimes shank a few when he gets rushed in the backfield, resulting in low trajectory.

Compares To: Jeff Wilkins, St. Louis -- For consistency, accuracy, leg strength and excellence on kickoffs, few in the league can match Wilkins in those areas. That is, until Crosby earns a job in 2007 training camp. Don't buy into that line that he has an advantage kicking in a thin air environment. There is no one in the collegiate ranks that can match Crosby's leg strength.


INJURY REPORT

2002: Suffered a right knee meniscus tear during his senior year in high school.


AGILITY TESTS

Campus: 5.2 in the 40-yard dash … Right-footed soccer-style kicker … Right-handed … 29-inch arm length … 8½-inch hands … 25/39 Wonderlic score.


HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Georgetown (Texas) High School, playing football for head coach Larry Moore … Earned first-team All-District 13-5A honors as a placekicker, punter and free safety, adding All-Central Texas as a kicker … Prep Star named him to its All-Midlands team, while Rivals.com ranked him as the third-best placekicker in the nation … First-team All-District and second-team All-Region at kicker as a junior … During his final season, Crosby converted 7 of 11 field goals (long of 59) and 23 of 25 extra-point kicks … Owned a 39.8-yard average for 40 punts (61 long), with 10 kicks being downed inside the 20-yard line, including five inside the 5-yard line … At free safety, he recorded 78 tackles (26 solos), eight for losses, three interceptions, three passes broken up, three forced fumbles and two recoveries … In the Cedar Park High game during his senior year, he made the longest field goal in Texas prep football in eight years when he drilled a career-best 59-yarder; it tied him for the third longest in state history. He also had a 61-yard punt in the game … In the Round Rock game that year, he had seven tackles and two interceptions, returning one for a touchdown and kicking the PAT following the score … As a junior, Crosby made 8 of 10 field goals (52 long) and 17 of 20 PATs (all misses were blocked) … Averaged 37.2 yards on 60 punts (64 long), with eight inside the 20. He had 58 tackles (25 solos, 10 for losses), with three interceptions, four pass deflections, three hurries and two fumble recoveries … His best career games included vs. Copperas Cove as a junior, when he made three field goals (52, 46 and 39 yards) against a team that came in with five consecutive shutouts … The team was 5-5 his senior year and 6-4 his junior season … Also earned two letters in soccer (defense/midfielder), receiving All-District honors as both a sophomore (14 goals) and junior (17 goals).


PERSONAL

Graduated with a bachelor's degree in Communication in December 2006 … Single-digit handicap golfer. Many kickers have interesting rituals or superstitions, his is to hit at least 60 golf balls at a driving range two days before a game … Very active in his community, including local mission and church youth group work … Father, Jim, was a fullback at Texas-El Paso in the mid-1970s … Grandfather, Harry Crosby, ran track at Marshall … Born Sept. 3, 1984 in Lubbock, Texas … Resides in Georgetown, Texas.

[RashanGary]

The VT got some award for being the leader on defense for 2 years in a row. Harrell was said to be the leader of the Tennessee defense, this LB is the "pulse of Cal's D"

We're going to have a lockerroom of leaders and guys who love football. Draft day always raises my koolaid level. I'm pretty excited to see this group added to last years group of guys who fit the same description.

[Rastak]

Nice pick by the Falcons....




Doug Datish
OC | (6'4", 302, 5.13) | OHIO STATE

Scouts Grade: 64
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Strengths: A mobile technician. Shows good speed to the second-level as a blocker and stays under control in space. Displays good balance and body control. Plays with a mean streak and is physical at the point of attack. Plays with a great motor, shows adequate range and looks to throw blocks downfield. Possesses adequate size and has the frame to add even more bulk. Shows adequate lateral mobility and can be effective playing in a zone blocking scheme. Has experience lining up at tackle as well as guard and is versatile.

Weaknesses: Shows good mobility in space but doesn't have great initial quickness and is going to have problems preventing penetration working against explosive one-gap defenders. Plays too high at times and is vulnerable to powerful bull rushers. While he has quick feet, he can be overaggressive and lunges at times, making him vulnerable to double moves. Doesn't roll hips into blocks, doesn't deliver a violent initial punch and isn't going to knock many defenders back.

Overall: Datish was redshirted in 2002. He appeared in four games during the 2003 season as a backup and on special teams. In 2004, Datish received 10 starts, nine at guard, and one at center against Michigan State (11/6). He then became the Ohio State's starter at left tackle for the 2005 season. However, Datish was the team's starting center for all 13 games in the 2006 season.
Datish doesn't have great explosiveness but he has the versatility, frame, quickness and tenacity to develop into a solid starting center in the NFL. He has continued to make significant strides as a senior, which is why Datish's draft stock has improved to the third-or-fourth round range of the 2007 class. At the very least, Datish should serve as backup to multiple positions along the offensive line in the pros.



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[J-Rok]

Haha, 5'12?!?!? That's not so bad. One more inch and he's 6 foot tall.

[Lurker64]

Haha, 5'12?!?!? That's not so bad. One more inch and he's 6 foot tall.

The NFL site also has him at 6'2", so I'm pretty sure it's just a typo.

[J-Rok]

Haha, I was just joking around. I really doubt they'd put 5'12 up instead of just 6'0.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=28

Inside Linebackers

2007 Inside Linebacker Rankings

Posted on Mar 06, 2007 by Matt Miller

1. Patrick Willis, ILB, Mississippi, 6'1, 242
2. Brandon Siler*, ILB, Florida, 6'2, 241
3. David Harris, ILB, Michigan, 6'2, 243
4. H.B. Blades, ILB, Pittsburgh, 5'11, 236
5. Jon Abbate*, ILB, Wake Forest, 5'10, 231

6. Desmond Bishop, ILB, California, 6'2, 239

Note: He's listed here as 6' 2''. Here's hoping !! :)

Desmond Bishop, California (MLB) (6-1 7/8, 239; 4.82)

Bishop worked out at the Combine, but did not run the shuttles or jumped.

He ran 4.81 and 4.83 in the 40, 4.65 in the short shuttle, and 7.14 in the cone drill. He also had a 32¼-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot-4 long jump and did 33 lifts. He plays well against the run, but has problems in space.

He gives very good effort, but the question is whether he can play all three downs.


7. Anthony Waters, ILB, Clemson, 6'2, 245
8. Justin Durant, ILB, Hampton, 6'1, 230
9. Nate Harris, ILB, Louisville, 6'0, 230
10. Zak DeOssie, ILB, Brown, 6'4, 250
11. Thaddaeus Washington, ILB, Colorado, 5'11, 245
12. Justin Warren, ILB, Texas A&M, 6'2, 245
13. Mark Zalewski, ILB, Wisconsin, 6'1, 232

14. Korey Hall, ILB, Boise State, 6'0, 236

15. Zach Diles, ILB, Kansas State, 6'0, 240
16. George Hall, ILB, Purdue, 6'0, 240
17. Blair Phillips, ILB, Oregon, 6'1, 244
18. Dedrick Harrington, ILB, Missouri, 6'3, 248
19. Oscar Lua, ILB, Southern California, 6'1, 240
20. Quinton Culberson, ILB, Mississippi State, 6'0, 236
21. Kelvin Smith, ILB, Syracuse, 6'2, 240
22. Marvin Mitchell, ILB, Tennessee, 6'3, 249
23. Johnny Baldwin, ILB, Alabama A&M, 6'1, 232
24. Zach Latimer, ILB, Oklahoma, 6'1, 237
25. Cameron Jensen, ILB, Brigham Young, 6'2, 247
26. Matt Muncy, ILB, Ohio, 6'0, 242
27. Keyonvis Bouie, ILB, Florida International, 6'1, 224

[Rastak]

6 picks left in round 6....I think the Vikes and Pack both have two picks in the 7th....there are still some pretty good players left.....

[Lurker64]

Since nobody's posted it yet, here's something about our new LB/TE/FB extraordinaire, Korey Hall, note that he did play RB in high school so trying him out at FB isn't completely out of nowhere.

Korey Hall | Linebacker | Boise State | 6'1" - 230 lbs.

2006 SEASON
Named second-team All-America by the Sporting News...Named Western Athletic Conference Defensive Player of the Year, as well as earning first-team All-WAC honors...Named quarterfinalist for the Lott Trophy...Named the Broncos most outstanding defensive player...Moved into second in all-time tackles in the Western Athletic Conference and fourth in Boise State history...Finished the regular season with 105 tackles (one shy of career best), 6.5 tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks, a team-best six interceptions, one pass breakup and one fumble recovery...First among the nation's linebackers in career interceptions...Finished season third in the WAC in tackles (8.8 per game) and in interceptions (0.50 per game)...Named WAC Defensive Player of the Week after making eight tackles and picking off two passes against Utah...Finished with double-digit tackles four times, at New Mexico State, against Hawaii and Oregon State and at Wyoming...Had a season-high 15 tackles, a sack and an interception at New Mexico State...Finished with 12 tackles and a fumble recovery against Hawaii, had 11 tackles and 1.5 sacks at Wyoming and 10 tackles and 1.5 tackles for loss with an interception against Oregon State...Had nine tackles against Louisiana Tech, Idaho (with an interception), and Utah State with 1.5 tackles for loss against the Aggies...Made seven tackles at Nevada and six tackles with a tackle for loss against Sacramento State...Finished with five tackles and an interception against Fresno State and four tackles and a sack at San Jose State...Named second-team preseason All-American by NationalChamps.net...Named to the preseason watch lists for the Rotary Lombardi Award, the Bronko Nagurski Trophy and the Lott Trophy...Named WAC Preseason Defensive Player of the Year in a vote of the league's media...Named the WAC Preseason Defensive Player of the Year by The Sporting News and Blue Ribbon...Named to The Sporting News and Blue Ribbon preseason All-WAC teams...Named the 10th-best inside linebacker in the country heading into the season by The Sporting News.

2005 SEASON
Named first-team All-WAC for the second consecutive season after leading the Broncos with 106 tackles, 5.0 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, two interceptions and three pass breakups...Had double-digit tackles five times for the Broncos, including a career-high 15 against Boston College in the MPC Computers Bowl....Finished with 12 tackles at Oregon State...Had 11 tackles and 1.5 sacks at Utah State...Made 10 tackles at both Fresno State and Louisiana Tech...Recorded eight tackles at Georgia and seven tackles against Hawai'i, San Jose State, New Mexico State and Idaho...Picked off passes against Nevada and Hawai'i...Named preseason honorable mention All-America and first-team All-WAC by Street & Smith's and first-team All-WAC by Athlon Sports...Named to the 2005 Bronko Nagurski Trophy Watch List, the 2005 Rotary Lombardi Award Watch List and the 2005 Chuck Bednarik Award Watch List...Named the nation's 12th-best inside linebacker by The Sporting News.

2004 SEASON
Named first-team All-WAC after finishing second on the team with 85 tackles, first with 8.5 tackles for loss, two sacks and three interceptions...Named to the Collegefootballnews.com All-WAC team...Finished 12th in the WAC in tackles with 7.1 per game...Named the WAC Defensive Player of the Week twice...The first award came after he picked off three passes (one for a touchdown) against Oregon State, while making four tackles...The three interceptions were the second most in a single game during the season...Second player of the week award came after he had 11 tackles, two sacks, and 2.5 tackles for loss against BYU...Finished with double digit tackles three times to run his career total to five...Had a season-high 15 tackles at San Jose State, including a tackle for loss...In addition to the 11 tackles against BYU, also had 12 tackles the next week against SMU with 1.5 tackles for loss...Tallied nine tackles against Louisville in the AutoZone Liberty Bowl, and had eight tackles and a sack at UTEP, while recording seven tackles against Hawai'i and six against Fresno State with 0.5 tackles for loss.

2003 SEASON
Named honorable mention All-WAC as a freshman after finishing third on the Bronco team with 92 tackles, including 7.5 tackles for a loss and 2.5 sacks...Recorded double-digit tackle games twice...Set a career-high with 10 tackles at Oregon State, with 2.5 tackles for loss, and then broke it with 11 tackles against Fresno State...Had nine tackles against UTEP, eight against Wyoming and seven against Idaho, Nevada, Hawai'i and TCU in the Broncos' 34-31 win at the PlainsCapital Fort Worth Bowl.

2002 SEASON
Redshirted during the 2002 season, his first with the Bronco program.

HIGH SCHOOL
One of the top prep players in the state of Idaho as a senior...Named the 2A Player of the Year after making 113 tackles and three quarterback sacks on defense, while rushing for 714 yards and scoring 16 touchdowns on offense...Named first-team all-conference at both linebacker and running back, received the league's Player of the Year award in 2001, and led team to the state championship game...A four-year starter at Glenns Ferry High School and team captain during senior year...Finished prep career with 359 tackles and 2,802 yards rushing...Earned first-team all-conference and second-team all-state honors on offense and defense during junior year...As a sophomore, again earned first-team all-conference honors on offense and defense...Also an outstanding wrestler placing second in state championships as a senior...A member of the National Honor Society, and was also on the Honor Roll...High school football coach was Joel Hermann.

[MadtownPacker]

Rastak - You are a sick SOB! You really love this draft shit huh?

Well, Im not feeling it like yesterday but that is likely due to my huge disappointment in not getting moss. I will now go back to hating him and hoping his career ends soon.

As for day 2 I have to say I like the depth on defense but they better become a scoring defense cuz the O needs some help.

[Tony Oday]

Dont worry we may get a 7th round TE ;)

[Rastak]

Rastak - You are a sick SOB! You really love this draft shit huh?

Well, Im not feeling it like yesterday but that is likely due to my huge disappointment in not getting moss. I will now go back to hating him and hoping his career ends soon.

As for day 2 I have to say I like the depth on defense but they better become a scoring defense cuz the O needs some help.


Yea, the draft is cool. Hey Mad, I ain't buying it. You showed your true colors, you love Randy Moss. You gotta keep that viking in your sig, I really dig it.

[Joemailman]

Just checking in, so sorry if I'm rehashing something here, but did Ben Patrick break his leg or something?

[J-Rok]

We may get TWO 7th round TE's.

[Rastak]

Just checking in, so sorry if I'm rehashing something here, but did Ben Patrick break his leg or something?


I guess he must have.....pretty strange drop....

[Tony Oday]

I bet we could trade one of the 7th rounders to get...Keith Jackson ;) hehe

Here's to TT in finding the next gem in the 7th round...3 times...

[Rastak]

We are in the home stretch......7th round begins....

[Joemailman]

I bet we could trade one of the 7th rounders to get...Keith Jackson ;) hehe

Here's to TT in finding the next gem in the 7th round...3 times...

Hey Tony, how you and Merlin getting along? :wink:

[Tony Oday]

Well I banished him to king aurhtur's court ;)

[Rastak]

I bet we could trade one of the 7th rounders to get...Keith Jackson ;) hehe

Here's to TT in finding the next gem in the 7th round...3 times...

Hey Tony, how you and Merlin getting along? :wink:



God that's a scary avatar.....

[woodbuck27]

http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=20

Wide Receivers

2007 Wide Receiver Rankings

Posted on Mar 06, 2007 by Matt Miller

1. Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech, 6'5, 239
2. Dwayne Jarrett*, WR, Southern California, 6'4, 219
3. Robert Meachem*, WR, Tennessee, 6'2, 214
4. Dwayne Bowe, WR, Louisiana State, 6'2, 221
5. Ted Ginn*, WR, Ohio State, 5'11, 178
6. Anthony Gonzalez*, WR, Ohio State, 6'0, 193
7. Jason Hill, WR, Washington State, 6'0, 204
8. Sidney Rice*, WR, South Carolina, 6'3, 200
9. Steve Smith, WR, Southern California, 6'0, 197
10. Craig Davis, WR, Louisiana State, 6'1, 207
11. Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, Texas-El Paso, 5'11, 186
12. Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina, 6'0, 192
13. Dallas Baker, WR, Florida, 6'3, 208

14. James Jones, WR, San Jose State, 6'1, 207

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/jones_james

Prospect Profiles

James Jones Height: 6-1 Weight: 207 Position: Wide Receiver
College: San Jose State


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OVERVIEW

The consummate team player, the coaching staff took full advantage of Jones' athletic ability and versatility in 2006. He not only went on to lead the team in receptions, but he also showed a strong throwing arm for the option pass, natural hands to handle punt-return duties and an ability to keep the defenses honest by getting good yardage on the reverse. He went on to score by catching, running and throwing the ball during his final year.

Jones was the 2001 league Most Valuable Player as a senior at Gunderson High School. He was a first-team All-Central Coast Section choice and played in the 2002 Santa Clara County North-South All-Star Game. In addition to football, he lettered in basketball and track, registering a personal best of 6-foot-8 in the high jump.

Deciding to stay local, Jones enrolled at San Jose State in 2002, spending the season on the scout team. He saw minimal action in nine games in 2003, but caught only one pass for 8 yards while recording three tackles. He started six of 11 contests as a sophomore, ranking second on the team with 25 receptions for 317 yards (12.7 average) and a touchdown. He added 80 yards on 11 punt returns (7.3 avg.) and recorded one solo tackle.

As a junior, Jones started just three games but he still finished second on the team with 30 catches for 278 yards (9.3 avg.) and one touchdown. He picked up 48 yards on eight carries (6.0 avg.) and 106 yards on 20 punt returns (5.3 avg.). He also totaled five tackles (four solos) on special teams.

The second-team All-Western Athletic Conference choice was named team MVP in 2006. He led the team with a career-high 70 receptions, gaining 893 yards (12.8 avg.) with 10 touchdowns. He rushed 11 times for 76 yards (6.9 avg.) and a score and returned 11 punts for 121 yards (11.0 avg.). He also connected on 2 of 6 passes for 57 yards and a touchdown.

In 44 games at San Jose State, Jones started 21 contests. He caught 126 passes for 1,496 yards (11.2 avg.) and 12 touchdowns. He gained 126 yards with a score on 24 reverses (9.53 avg.) and completed 3 of 7 passes (42.9 percent) for 58 yards and a touchdowns. Jones made nine tackles (six solos) on special teams and returned 42 punts for 307 yards (7.3 avg.).


ANALYSIS

Positives: Solidly built athlete with a lean, yet defined frame, showing good upper body muscle definition, long arms and large, soft hands … Lacks explosion off the snap but does a good job of accelerating throughout his route … Can fill in as a long snapper in an emergency … Runs with good balance and shows above average hand/eye coordination … Can make the tough catches in traffic and then run around defenders with the ball … Has a smooth, gliding running motion, but does not generate an explosive pull-away burst … Does a nice job of scanning the field to find the open area … Uses his hands well to get a push off the defender up field … Will extend and grab for the ball, showing consistent hand skills … Fights for the ball in traffic, generally coming up with it due to his determined attitude and leaping ability … Has the body control and timing on his leaps to compete for the ball at its high point … Best when utilized on hitches as he has the strength to turn a short toss into valid yardage … Makes good body adjustments tracking the ball in flight … Fluid in and out of his breaks and is alert to coverages, settling into the field's soft areas nicely … Shows good urgency getting down field as the gunner on the coverage units.

Negatives: Lacks great timed speed or a second gear to separate … Tends to look lackadaisical going for the ball at times … Needs to develop better shake moves to escape defenders at the line … Rounds his cuts and has had ball concentration lapses as he needs to be more conscious of securing the ball before running with it … Lacks a separation burst and needs to develop better moves to sell the route and surprise the defensive back … For his size, he seems too passive when it comes to blocking, lacking the ability (or desire) to sustain and finish his blocks … Takes soft angles out of his breaks and defensive backs generally stay with him through the route … Even though he has good weight-room strength, it fails to translate to the field, as he will be stopped on initial contact.

Compares To: Ben Obomanu, Seattle Seahawks … Even though he lacks blazing speed, Jones manages to get to most balls thrown his way … He is better suited for hitches and short-area routes but needs to be crisper in his open-field cuts … He is a marginal blocker and not really elusive, as he won't be one that can be used to threaten the deep secondary … However, he reads defenses well and has a knack for finding soft areas on the field.


INJURY REPORT

No injuries reported.


AGILITY TESTS

Campus: 4.59 in the 40-yard dash … Bench pressed 225 pounds 21 times … 35-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-6 broad jump … 32½-inch arm length … 9¾-inch hands … Right-handed.

Combine: 4.6 in the 40-yard dash … 1.63 10-yard dash … 2.67 20-yard dash … 4.2 20-yard shuttle … 11.58 60-yard shuttle … 7.06 three-cone drill … 34-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-11 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 22 times.


HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Gunderson (San Jose, Calif.) High School, playing football for coaches Jay Carrasco and Chris Bolding … 2001 league Most Valuable Player as a senior at Gunderson High School … First-team All-Central Coast Section choice and played in the 2002 Santa Clara County North-South All-Star Game … In addition to football, he lettered in basketball and track, registering a personal best of 6-foot-8 in the high jump.


PERSONAL

Sociology major … Born March 31, 1984 in San Jose, Calif.





15. Chansi Stuckey, WR, Clemson, 5'10, 197
16. Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn, 6'2, 204
17. Rhema McKnight, WR, Notre Dame, 6'1, 211
18. Brandon Myles, WR, West Virginia, 6'1, 189
19. Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane, 6'1, 207

20. David Clowney, WR, Virginia Tech, 6'0, 188

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/clowney_david

Prospect Profiles

David Clowney Height: 6-0 Weight: 184 Position: Wide Receiver College: Virginia Tech


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OVERVIEW

David Clowney is a two-sport athlete who excelled in track at Virginia Tech and was the lone senior on a young Hokies' receiving unit. The coaching staff was confident that David would take his place among college football's elite in 2006, but the speedy receiver underwent an emergency appendectomy in September that sidetracked his quest to lead Tech in its march for a national title.

David was a Class 5A All-State honorable mention as a senior receiver at Atlantic High School, earning four letters on the gridiron. He also competed as a safety, leading the team to an undefeated regular season during his final year. Clowney garnered All-Palm Beach County honors from The Palm Beach Post and Sun-Sentinel, as he totaled 25 catches for 576 yards (23.0 avg) and a county-best ten touchdowns in 2002. He returned three kickoffs for 245 yards (81.7 avg) and a pair of scores and also made one of the season's biggest plays, a 95-yard touchdown catch against Ely in the regional finals that year.

Clowney added 39 receptions as a junior, coming up with three receptions for 120 yards and two touchdowns vs. Wellington High. He also lettered as a sprinter on the track team. He was a state finalist in the 200 meters and a regional finalist in the 100 meters. David added two more letters as a guard on the basketball squad.

He enrolled at Virginia Tech in 2003, seeing action in twelve games as a reserve receiver. David gained 67 yards on five receptions (13.4 avg) and a touchdown. He also recovered a fumble that season.

Despite starting only one of twelve games in 2004, Clowney ranked fourth on the team with 20 catches for 263 yards (13.2 avg) and two touchdowns. He gained 45 yards on a pair of kickoff returns, but lost 20 yards when he was tackled behind the line of scrimmage on a reverse. He also competed for the school's indoor track team. He posted a season-best 60-meter dash time of 6.87 in the Big East Conference Prelims and finished second in that event at the Virginia Tech Invitational.

Clowney started twelve games on the right side of the field in 2005, coming up with a team-high 34 receptions for 619 yards (18.2 avg) and three touchdowns. He also returned one kickoff for 30 yards. In outdoor track, David ran the 100- and 200-meter dashes and helped set a school indoor record with a time of 6.94 in the 60 meters at the Atlantic Coast Conference Championships.

David started five of twelve games he played in during the 2006 campaign. He missed the Cincinnati clash after undergoing an emergency appendectomy on September 21st, but was back on the field nine days later. Clowney led the team with 34 catches for 424 yards (12.5 avg), but did not have any touchdowns. He had two kickoff returns for 44 yards and recorded three tackles (two solos) while recovering his own fumble.

In 49 games at Virginia Tech, Clowney started eighteen times. He hauled in 93 passes for 1,373 yards (14.8 avg) and six touchdowns. He gained 119 yards on five kickoff returns (23.8 avg), but was stopped twice for losses totaling minus 25 yards on two reverses. David recorded three tackles (two solos) and recovered two fumbles.


ANALYSIS

Positives:

Has a lean, angular frame with room to carry more bulk without it affecting his quickness … Has adequate power to fight through the jam and get into position to make the tough catches in a crowd … Not big, but is a slippery route runner whose suddenness causes defenders to struggle in attempts to get their hands on him in attempts to reroute … Blessed with the elusiveness and second gear to escape the initial tackler and separate in the open field … Shows fluid change of direction agility and despite his slight frame, he utilizes his explosion to defeat the jam … Does a nice job of gearing down and dropping his weight when working through a crowd … Has the plant-&-drive agility coming out of his breaks to get under the deep pass … Has the explosion to instantly gobble up the cushion and will win most foot races in the open … Sinks his pads with fluidness and is deceptive with his acceleration, as he looks effortless gliding towards the ball … Stays in control getting in and out of his break point … Has the quick vertical burst and lateral agility to come back for the poorly thrown pass … Shows good awareness for locating the soft spots in the zone, dropping his weight to settle underneath … Can generate that second gear needed to make the over-the-shoulder grabs … Uncovers and finds space when working in the short area and can drive off on the slant due to his quickness … Has large, natural hands and shows proper technique extending to catch outside his frame … Does not hesitate going for the ball in a crowd (but lacks the size and strength to dominate) … Shows a steady stride and burst throughout his route progression … Even with his blazing speed, he knows how to regulate so he does not outrun the deep throws … His hard planting agility lets him separate from the crowd after the catch … Has good pluck-&-snatch ability, doing a good job of making body adjustments to the ball in flight … Can get in and out of his break point, doing a nice job of driving off on slants when working in the short area … Keeps his feet working along the sidelines and will catch with his hands outside his framework … Very elusive runner once he reaches full stride … Has the crisp cutting agility that lets him come out of his breaks without having to throttle down … Adequate cut blocker who uses his hands well vs. second level defenders and despite a lack of bulk, he works hard to sustain, especially when blocking for the running game … Can add some value as an emergency kickoff returner.

Negatives:

Has a slight frame with a small bubble, smooth skin, marginal chest thickness and little room for additional growth … Capable of retaining plays, but needs several reps to do so … Lacks the bulk to face up to defenders when blocking in-line, as he will generally be pushed back or run over … Needs to get a clean release off the line, as his lack of bulk and power can see him get rerouted by the more physical cornerbacks … Can get in and out of his break point, but then starts to coast too often, which lets the defensive back recover … Can outrun most defenders, but once the opponent latches on to him, the battle is over.

Compares To: Kevin Curtis, Philadelphia … Clowney has few peers when it comes to gaining separation on deep routes. He might not have the bulk to be a physical type working underneath, but when he makes those over-the-shoulder grabs, he is almost certain to beat his man, thanks to his hard planting agility that lets him slide past the opponent to pick up positive yardage.


INJURY REPORT

2005-Suffered a broken bone in his right hand during spring drills (March 15), but did not miss any practice time.

2006-Sat out the Cincinnati game after undergoing an appendectomy on Sept. 21, but was back on the field nine days later (Sept. 30) to start vs. Georgia Tech. He left that game with 1:40 remaining when he was shaken up after receiving a late hit on an incomplete pass.


AGILITY TESTS

Campus: 4.29 in the 40-yard dash (indoor rubber track) … 4.35 in the 40-yard dash (outside grass field) … 275-pound bench press … 450-pound squat … 226-pound power clean … 6.69 three-cone drill … 36-inch vertical jump … 31 1/8-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands … 18/20 Wonderlic score.

Combine: 4.4 in the 40-yard dash … 1.57 10-yard dash … 2.54 20-yard dash … 4.15 20-yard shuttle … 11.75 60-yard shuttle … 7.0 three-cone drill … 32.5-inch vertical jump … 10'3" broad jump.


HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Atlantic (Delray Beach, Fla.) High, playing football for head coaches Keith Tillman, followed by Chris Bean … Class 5A All-State honorable mention as a senior … Earned four letters on the gridiron as a receiver and safety … Led the team to an undefeated regular season during his final year … Garnered All-Palm Beach County honors from The Palm Beach Post and Sun-Sentinel, as he totaled 25 catches for 576 yards (23.0 avg) and a county-best ten touchdowns in 2002 … Returned three kickoffs for 245 yards (81.7 avg) and a pair of scores and also made one of the season's biggest plays, a 95-yard touchdown catch against Ely in the regional finals that year … Added 39 receptions as a junior, coming up with three receptions for 120 yards and two touchdowns vs. Wellington High … Also lettered as a sprinter on the track team … State finalist in the 200 meters and a regional finalist in the 100 meters … Added two more letters as a guard on the basketball squad.


PERSONAL

Real Estate/Residential Property Management major … Son of Maria and Tracy Bean … Born David Cortez Clowney, IV, on July 7, 1985 in Long Island, N.Y. … Resides in Delray Beach, Fla.



21. Jarrett Hicks, WR, Texas Tech, 6'3, 210
22. Steve Breaston, WR, Michigan, 6'0, 193
23. Vincent Marshall, WR, Houston, 5'8, 175
24. Joel Filani, WR, Texas Tech, 6'2, 211
25. Paul Williams, WR, Fresno State, 6'1, 205
26. Robert Johnson, WR, Texas Tech, 6'0, 211
27. Logan Payne, WR, Minnesota, 6'1, 204
28. Eric Deslauriers, WR, Eastern Michigan, 6'4, 208
29. Yamon Figurs, WR, Kansas State, 5'11, 174
30. Laurent Robinson, WR, Illinois State, 6'2, 199
31. David Ball, WR, New Hampshire, 6'1, 196
32. Mike Mason, WR, Tennessee State, 5'11, 190
33. Chandler Williams, WR, Florida International, 5'11, 184
34. Mike Walker, WR, Central Florida, 6'2, 209
35. Chris Davis, WR, Florida State, 5'10, 181
36. Legedu Naanee, WR, Boise State, 6'2, 225
37. Ryne Robinson, WR, Miami(OH), 5'9, 179
38. Matt Trannon, WR, Michigan State, 6'6, 216
39. James Finley, WR, Oregon, 6'2, 210
40. Jayson Swain, WR, Tennessee , 6'0, 212
41. Jonathan Holland, WR, Louisiana Tech, 6'0, 191
42. Maurice Price*, WR, Charleston Southern, 6'1, 189
43. Najah Pruden, WR, Kent State, 6'3, 185
44. Jordan Kent, WR, Oregon, 6'4, 221
45. Jesse Holley, WR, North Carolina, 6'3, 210
46. Aaron Fairooz, WR, Central Arkansas, 6'6, 209
47. Damien Linson, WR, Central Michigan, 5'11, 188
48. Steve Odom, WR, Toledo, 5'10, 170
49. Deyon Williams, WR, Virginia, 6'3, 196
50. Rayshawn Bolden, WR, West Virginia, 6'5, 215
51. Jemalle Cornelius, WR, Florida, 5'11, 184
52. Paul Thompson, WR, Oklahoma, 6'3, 216
53. Bret Smith, WR, Tennessee, 6'3, 190
54. Evan Moore, WR, Stanford, 6'7, 235
55. Onrea Jones, WR, Hampton, 5'11, 202
56. Ryan Moore, WR, Miami(FL), 6'2, 217
57. DJuan Woods, WR, Oklahoma State, 6'0, 208
58. Syvelle Newton, WR, South Carolina, 6'1, 218
59. Syndric Steptoe, WR, Arizona, 5'8, 194
60. Fontel Mines, WR, Virginia, 6'4, 220
61. Jerard Rabb, WR, Boise State, 6'2, 201
62. Marquay McDaniel, WR, Hampton, 5'10, 205
63. Shaun Herbert, WR, Northwestern, 6'1, 200
64. Reggie Ball, WR, Georgia Tech, 5'10, 203

[VermontPackFan]

Alright boys (fans),,,,who do we take?

Rastak? Here is your moment to shine...I still say Patrick & Moore...

Oppinions?

[VermontPackFan]

And I dont believe in spell check...thanks for asking/.

[chain_gang]

Damn Cowboys. Got a good pick, IMO

[Rastak]

Alright boys (fans),,,,who do we take?

Rastak? Here is your moment to shine...I still say Patrick & Moore...

Oppinions?


Patrick makes perfect sense.....and then Kenny Scott or Anthony Arline, a big 6 foot 1 CB.


I'd like the Vikes to select either CB.

[Lurker64]

I'd be surprised if TT doesn't take a QB here.

[Tony Oday]

Ingel Martin is the man so give up on the Qb ;)

I want a CB TE and OG

[Joemailman]

Pack only has 1 fullback. Come on Jason Snelling

[Lurker64]

Ingel Martin is the man so give up on the Qb ;)

I want a CB TE and OG

Oh, Ingle is going to be a 1st ballot hall of famer without question, but it's the Wolf mold to always draft a QB you can later trade away for picks.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=18

Click on the above link for info. on each RB rated. ( Typ. )

Running Backs

2007 Running Back Rankings

Posted on Mar 06, 2007 by Matt Miller

1. Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma, 6'1, 217
2. Marshawn Lynch*, RB, California, 5'11, 215
3. Brian Leonard, FB/RB, Rutgers, 6'1, 226
4. Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State, 6'1, 233
5. Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn, 5'11, 198
6. Antonio Pittman*, RB, Ohio State, 5'11, 207
7. Michael Bush, RB, Louisville, 6'1, 243
8. Kolby Smith, RB, Louisville, 5'11, 220

9. Brandon Jackson*, RB, Nebraska, 5'10, 210

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/jackson_brandon

Prospect Profiles

Brandon Jackson Height: 5-10 Weight: 210 Position: Running Back
College: Nebraska


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OVERVIEW

Entering the 2006 season, the Cornhuskers were searching through a slew of candidates to replace Cory Ross as their starting I-back. After Jackson underwent surgical procedures on both shoulders during his last two offseasons, the coaching staff was just hoping he would log some playing time during the season.

Little did they realize last August that by the end of the season, Jackson would emerge as the breakaway threat the Huskers desperately sought. Brought along slowly in the first five games, gaining 154 yards in the process, Jackson took over the starting role against Iowa State and went on to amass 835 yards on the ground in his final nine contests.

At Horn Lake High School, Jackson was chosen as the Class 5A Offensive Player of the Year by the Mississippi Coaches Association two consecutive years and was an all-region and all-state selection. He was named to the Dandy Dozen by the Jackson Clarion-Ledger, signifying the top 12 players in the state of Mississippi. Jackson also received all-metro honors in the Memphis area his junior and senior years, and was Horn Lake's MVP as a senior. He played in the Mississippi-Alabama all-star game.

Jackson rushed for 1,200 yards and 11 touchdowns for Horn Lake in 2003, helping the team to a 6-6 record and a trip to the second round of the Class 5A playoffs (largest class). He also had 200 receiving yards and one touchdown reception. As a junior, he rushed for 1,783 yards and 28 touchdowns, and made 20 receptions for 200 yards and two touchdowns. His performance helped Horn Lake to a 10-3 record and an appearance in the second round of the state playoffs.

Jackson lettered four times in track, and had a career-best of 10.6 seconds in the 100 meters. He was sixth at state in the 100 as a senior, and helped the 4x200-meter relay team finish third at state in 2004, while aiding the 4x100 relay team's fourth-place state finish. He was also part of the 4x400-meter relay team that was second at the Class 5A state meet in 2003.

Jackson was the first Nebraska signee from Mississippi since current Philadelphia Eagle running back Correll Buckhalter in 1997, choosing the school over offers from Mississippi State and Memphis. He played in 10 games as a true freshman in 2004, ranking fifth in the Big 12 with 17 kickoff returns for 359 yards (21.1 average). He also finished second on the team with 85 carries for 390 yards (4.6 avg.) and six touchdowns.

April surgery on his shoulder did not improve his condition, and Jackson struggled with the injury throughout the 2005 season. Even though he played in nine games, he was limited to 52 yards on 18 rushing attempts (2.9 avg.). He added 63 yards on six kickoff returns (10.5 avg.) and also had a 5-yard reception.

Even though he saw limited action through the first five games of 2006, Jackson went on to earn All-Big 12 Conference first-team honors. He ranked fifth in the conference with an average of 70.64 yards per game rushing, as he led the team with 989 yards and eight touchdowns on 188 chances (5.3 avg). He showed excellent receiving skills, making 33 catches for 313 yards (9.5 avg) and a pair of scores. He also totaled 157 yards on nine kickoff returns (17.4 avg.).

In 33 games at Nebraska, Jackson started 11 contests. He carried 291 times for 1,431 yards (4.9 avg.) and 14 touchdowns. He gained 318 yards with a pair of scores on 34 receptions (9.4 avg.) and scored 96 points. He also returned 32 kickoffs for 579 yards (18.1 avg.), finishing with 2,328 all-purpose yards, an average of 70.55 yards per game.


ANALYSIS

Positives:

Has a compact, well-defined frame with good chest development, thick thighs and calves and deceptive burst to get out on the perimeter … Cuts sharply and changes directions suddenly … Makes quick decisions on the move, showing the field vision to locate soft areas on the field … Consistent in finding the cut-back lanes and changes direction well, showing the quick feet to side-step trash and break into the second level … Picks up defensive coverage well and is able to see the small cracks and explode through the holes … Even when he doesn't have the luxury of open lanes, he is capable of sinking his pads, redirecting and bouncing wide … Better when working along the perimeter, as he needs room to shift, and displays the balance and body control, along with forward lean, to pick up valid yardage after the initial hit … Aggressive inside runner with the weaving ability to pick-and-slide through traffic, doing a nice job of maintaining balance running through the pile and will keep his feet on the move … When he bounces to the outside, he can generate that accelerated second gear to separate from defenders upfield … Releases off the snap and gets into his routes smoothly in passing situations, showing marked improvement fielding the ball outside the framewor … Falls forward with good body lean and shows a good slide step to make the initial tackler miss … Can get to the corner, cut and break free down the sideline, building to top speed nicely … Runs at the low pad level you look for in a back (doesn't have to gear down to shift) … Has enough valid speed to be split wide in passing situations and is quite effective on swing routes … Lacks pop in his hips, but will face up as a blocker … Showed better patience waiting for his line to create rush lanes in 2006 than he did in the past … Shows no hesitation attacking the crease once he locates it, and has the field intelligence to avoid running into spots … Could use more upper body power, but can deliver a good stiff arm and has the proper pad level to bounce off tackles … Won't explode into tacklers, but has the leg drive to move the pile … One of his better assets is his ability to plant, drive and redirect, showing ease of movement to get past the second level … Has good hip swerve, head fakes and spin moves to set up and elude single tacklers … Knows how to shield the ball from defenders when working in the short-area passing game and has become a proficient underneath receiver due to his natural hands and ability to locate the soft areas in the zone … Can also provide emergency duty as a kickoff returner.

Negatives:

Size is a bit of a drawback, as he has short legs that make it tough for him to simply run over tacklers in tight quarters … While he has good acceleration, he is not really explosive (4.55-second 40-yard dash at the Combine), and along with his short legs he can be run down by defenders in his attempts to go the distance (needs to set up his moves rather than try to enter a foot race) … Has a penchant for carrying the ball exposed working his way up field, and while this has not been much of a problem, he needs to protect the ball better … Has a history of shoulder problems that warrant further medical evaluation … Stamina might be an issue, as he runs hard early in games but tapers off late … Good receiver out of the backfield, but has had several costly drops as he prefers to absorb the ball rather than reach and pluck for it at its high point (poor timing on his leaps).

Compares To: J.J. Arrington, Arizona Cardinals … With only one season of heavy rush load work, Jackson is still a work in progress, but he shows he is a decent underneath receiver with some value as a return specialist … He appears to be very capable of breaking a game open with his speed, but while he flashes brilliance, he also disappears for long stretches on the field, making him appear to be better as a change of pace back than a featured runner … With two shoulder surgeries in two years, his durability is another concern.


INJURY REPORT

2005: Underwent shoulder surgery after April camp.

2006: Underwent additional shoulder surgery (other shoulder/undisclosed) in fall camp.


AGILITY TESTS

Campus: 4.41 in the 40-yard dash … 36-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-1 broad jump.

Combine: 4.55 in the 40-yard dash … 1.56 10-yard dash … 2.62 20-yard dash … 4.14 20-yard shuttle … 11.47 60-yard shuttle … 7.0 three-cone drill … 37-inch vertical jump … 10-foot-2 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 21 times.


HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Horn Lake (Miss.) High School, playing football for head coach Larry Gann … Chosen as the Class 5A Offensive Player of the Year by the Mississippi Coaches Association two consecutive years and was an all-region and all-state selection … Named to the Dandy Dozen by the Jackson Clarion-Ledger, signifying the top 12 players in the state of Mississippi … Also received all-metro honors in the Memphis area his junior and senior years, and was Horn Lake's MVP as a senior … Played in the Mississippi-Alabama all-star game … Rushed for 1,200 yards and 11 touchdowns for Horn Lake in 2003, helping the team to a 6-6 record and a trip to the second round of the Class 5A playoffs (largest class) … Also had 200 receiving yards and one touchdown reception … As a junior, he rushed for 1,783 yards and 28 touchdowns, and made 20 receptions for 200 yards and two touchdowns … His performance helped Horn Lake to a 10-3 record and an appearance in the second round of the state playoffs … Lettered four times in track, and had a career-best of 10.6 seconds in the 100 meters … Sixth at state in the 100 as a senior, and helped the 4x200-meter relay squad finish third at state in 2004, while aiding the 4x100 relay team's fourth-place state finish … Also part of the 4x400-meter relay team that was second at the Class 5A state meet in 2003.


PERSONAL

Sociology major, earning 2004 Big 12 Commissioner's Academic Honor Roll recognition … Volunteer speaker for the 2005 Fall Break Tour of Excellence … Son of Barbara Jackson … Born Oct. 2, 1985, in Chicago, moving to Mississippi in 1996 … Resides in Horn Lake, Miss.



10. Lorenzo Booker, RB, Florida State, 5'10, 191
11. Darius Walker*, RB, Notre Dame, 5'10, 206
12. Dwayne Wright*, RB, Fresno State, 5'11, 228
13. Ramonce Taylor*, RB, Texas, 5'10, 195
14. Selvin Young, RB, Texas, 5'11, 207
14. Chris Henry*, RB, Arizona, 5'11, 230
15. Kenneth Darby, RB, Alabama, 5'10, 212
16. Thomas Clayton, RB, Kansas State, 5'10, 220
17. Deshawn Wynn, RB, Florida, 5'10, 232
18. Garrett Wolfe, RB, Northern Illinois, 5'7, 186
19. Tyrone Moss, RB, Miami(FL), 5'9, 231
20. Nate Ilaoa, RB/FB, Hawaii, 5'9, 245
21. Germaine Race, RB, Pittsburgh State, 5'11, 225
22. Alonzo Coleman, RB, Hampton, 5'10, 205
23. Ahmad Bradshaw*, RB, Marshall, 5'9, 198
24. Danny Ware*, RB, Georgia, 6'0, 225
25. Jon Cornish, RB, Kansas, 5'11, 206
26. Steve Baylark, RB, Massachusetts, 6'0, 225
27. Alvin Banks, RB, James Madison, 5'10, 225
28. Lonta Hobbs, RB, Texas Christian, 5'10, 215
29. Ronnie McGill, RB, North Carolina, 5'11, 213
30. Eldra Buckley, RB, Tennesee-Chattanooga, 5'9, 202
31. Curtis Brown, RB, Brigham Young, 6'0, 203
32. Gary Russell*, RB, Minnesota, 5'10, 229
33. Pierre Thomas, RB, Illinois, 5'11, 210
34. Justise Hairston, RB, Central Connecticut State, 6'1, 210

[Bretsky]

Did we pick a tight end :huh:


TT- Na we feel like we're just fine there and there was nothing on the board that could help us so we decided to take the best available player by our ratings

[MadtownPacker]

Yea, the draft is cool. Hey Mad, I ain't buying it. You showed your true colors, you love Randy Moss. You gotta keep that viking in your sig, I really dig it.Oh trust me, I am gonna have a viking in my sig soon we enough..

Muahahuhahahaha!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :satan: :satan:

[Rastak]

There goes Patrick.....



Ben Patrick
TE | (6'3", 252, 4.74) | DELAWARE

Scouts Grade: 77 Selected by: Arizona Cardinals
Round: 7
Pick (Overall): 5(215)
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Strengths: Possesses adequate height and is thickly built. Shows good quickness and agility for his size. A reliable receiver with good instincts and focus. He catches the ball well and does a good job of plucking on the run. He adjusts well to the poorly thrown ball. He continues to improve in terms of reading coverage and finding soft spots in zone. He gets upfield quickly and shows some burst and shiftiness after the catch -- not a huge threat, but will get available yards. Seems to be at his best when blocking in space. Takes solid angles and does a good job of hitting the moving target. Is thick enough to hold his ground at the point of attack. Works to finish as a blocker. Shows versatility with experience as a TE, H-back and FB when playing for Duke.

Weaknesses: Seems to lack ideal conditioning and could stand to loose some weight. Shows good quickness but lacks ideal top-end speed. Is never going to be a seam-stretching weapon in the NFL. He hasn't spent much time working as an in-line blocker and has been more of an H-back throughout his career. Is big, but lacks explosive upper body power to jar defenders.

Overall: Patrick originally attended Duke in 2002, did not see action, and was redshirted. In 2003, he appeared in 10 games for the Blue Devils with one start, missing the Florida State and Maryland games with injuries. For the season, he caught 17 passes for 218 yards (12.8 average) and one touchdown. Patrick played in all 11 games receiving six starts in 2004 and finished the year making 32 receptions for 311 yards (9.7 average) with one touchdown. He played in 10 of 11 games in 2005 at H-Back registering 30 catches for 252 yards (8.4 average). Patrick transferred to Delaware in February of 2006 because he was displeased with the direction that Duke's football program was headed. He immediately emerged as a dominant player at the small-school level and finished the season as the team's leading receiver with 64 catches for 639 yards with six touchdowns. In 2006, Patricke played in all 11 games and again led the team in receptions with 64 receptions for 649 yards (10.0 average) and six touchdowns while earning first team Atlantic 10 honors.
Patrick's lack of explosiveness -- both as a receiver and blocker -- should prevent him from ever becoming a fulltime starter in the NFL. However, he is worth considering late on Day 1 or early on Day 2 because of his combination of his athleticism, ball skills and toughness. Patrick could develop into a versatile backup that can contribute as an H-Back type on offense, while also providing help on special teams.



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[green_bowl_packer]

Arizona just picked up Ben Patrick.

[Rastak]

Vikings next pick......I'd like Kenny Scott or Chase Johnson.

[Scott Campbell]

45 picks in this round.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

How about Clark Harris?

[Lurker64]

Vikings take the Coastal Carolina QB. Surprised they didn't do it in round two ;)

[VermontPackFan]

Arizona just picked up Ben Patrick.



Disappointing...

Moore and who else? How many 7th rounders do we have? 2 or 3?

[Tony Oday]

Vikings take the Coastal Carolina QB. Surprised they didn't do it in round two ;)

you forget trade up to get this guy in the second ;)

[Rastak]

Vikings take the Coastal Carolina QB. Surprised they didn't do it in round two ;)


Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....



Tyler Thigpen
QB | (6'1", 216, 4.85) | COAST CAROLINA

Scouts Grade: 20 Selected by: Minnesota Vikings
Round: 7
Pick (Overall): 7(217)

[Bretsky]

Arizona just picked up Ben Patrick.


Now why would we pick a TE ? We've got former All Pro Bubba Franks, underacheiving Donald Lee, and maybe we can use one of these LB's or WR's to fill in :lol: :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

Vikings take the Coastal Carolina QB. Surprised they didn't do it in round two ;)


Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....



Tyler Thigpen
QB | (6'1", 216, 4.85) | COAST CAROLINA

Scouts Grade: 20 Selected by: Minnesota Vikings
Round: 7
Pick (Overall): 7(217)


Reach!!!

:P

[Tony Oday]

AJ Hawk is our next TE :)

[Bretsky]

Vikings take the Coastal Carolina QB. Surprised they didn't do it in round two ;)


Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....



Tyler Thigpen
QB | (6'1", 216, 4.85) | COAST CAROLINA

Scouts Grade: 20 Selected by: Minnesota Vikings
Round: 7
Pick (Overall): 7(217)


The Vikings improved their won loss record in 2007 by the picks they made this weekend; great draft for you Ras !

[Scott Campbell]

Scouts Grade: 20


I think they spot you 20 just for tying your shoes.

[Rastak]

Vikings take the Coastal Carolina QB. Surprised they didn't do it in round two ;)


Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....



Tyler Thigpen
QB | (6'1", 216, 4.85) | COAST CAROLINA

Scouts Grade: 20 Selected by: Minnesota Vikings
Round: 7
Pick (Overall): 7(217)


Reach!!!

:P


LOL......a 7th round reach...I like it.... :)

[Joemailman]

Derek Stanley
WR, Wisconsin-Whitewater

War Room analysis
Strengths: Is a great athlete with the quickness and agility to make defenders miss. Is tough. Shows surprising strength and balance to absorb hard hits and keep going. Runs through arm tackles. Has the speed to stretch the field. Runs sharp routes, and shows the burst out of cuts to gain separation. Uses hands and body well to create space and shield defenders. Follows blockers well. Shows the hands to make tough catches look easy. Shows great leaping ability to win jump balls. Works hard as a blocker.

Weaknesses: Is short and thin. Is a durability question because of his lack of size, which also will hinder his ability to break tackles in the NFL. Must improve technique at the snap -- takes a false step with his back foot, hindering ability to get into his route quickly. Lack of size and strength hinders ability to block.

Bottom line: Stanley dominated Division III competition. His lack of size is a definite concern, especially since he looks even smaller on film, but he is tough and consistently plays bigger than his size. He is a dangerous open-field runner and could become a great special teams player -- as a punt and kick return man and gunner on punt coverage. Stanley will not be drafted as high as we have him rated but will make it in the NFL as a slot receiver and special teams player.


Pack gonna bring this guy in as a returner if he doesn't get drafted?

[Lurker64]

Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....

Oh, they look to have had a pretty good draft. I just think the Thigpen pick is weird.

[MasonCrosby]

i'm pumped the packers got mason crosby! now we'll have two young kickers with plenty of leg to battle for the spot...

[Bretsky]

AJ Hawk is our next TE :)


I'm going downstairs to lift weights; I've got good hands, I can square up and find the seam in the zone, I can't run after the catch, but I can block. And I'm cheaper than Bubba :lol:

[Rastak]

Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....

Oh, they look to have had a pretty good draft. I just think the Thigpen pick is weird.


It's the 7th round. They'd rather not try and get him as an UFA I guess. Although, I read that Zygi has given a large budget for undrafted guys....

[Tony Oday]

Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....

Oh, they look to have had a pretty good draft. I just think the Thigpen pick is weird.

Yup they will be better just ask Childress they have a "Kick ass offense" lol

Sorry Ras your team is still going to be the Vikings...unless you go with what your heart really wants to cheer for! :)

[Bretsky]

i'm pumped the packers got mason crosby! now we'll have two young kickers with plenty of leg to battle for the spot...

Yes, I will admit that I do love that pick.

He could be one of the better kickers for many years to come, and I was never that sold on Rayner.

[Scott Campbell]

The Vikings improved their won loss record in 2007 by the picks they made this weekend; great draft for you Ras !


I think so too, and predict they'll win 7 this year.

[Bretsky]

The Vikings improved their won loss record in 2007 by the picks they made this weekend; great draft for you Ras !


I think so too, and predict they'll win 7 this year.


so looks like we'll tie then :lol:

[Rastak]

Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....

Oh, they look to have had a pretty good draft. I just think the Thigpen pick is weird.

Yup they will be better just ask Childress they have a "Kick ass offense" lol

Sorry Ras your team is still going to be the Vikings...unless you go with what your heart really wants to cheer for! :)


Tony, you are guitar rat, what sort of guitar do you have?


As far as football. Vikes will be better on offense next year...(how can they be worse!) Peterson is gonna rock.

[Spaulding]

What about Zabransky (QB from Boise State) or Walker (RB from Notre Dame) - one for development and to push Martin and Walker on a flyer since he fits the ZBS so well?

[Tony Oday]

Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....

Oh, they look to have had a pretty good draft. I just think the Thigpen pick is weird.

Yup they will be better just ask Childress they have a "Kick ass offense" lol

Sorry Ras your team is still going to be the Vikings...unless you go with what your heart really wants to cheer for! :)


Tony, you are guitar rat, what sort of guitar do you have?


As far as football. Vikes will be better on offense next year...(how can they be worse!) Peterson is gonna rock.

Its gutter rat ;)

That is true the Vikes cant get worse on offense. Whats with no Vet QB help? Still trying to figure that out. If they dont bring anyone in and Tavaris wins the job I would have to say you better hope the O line gels and can blow everyone off the ball because that is all you will have.

[Rastak]

Vikes have had a very good draft me thinks. Not sure why they grabbed him though.....

Oh, they look to have had a pretty good draft. I just think the Thigpen pick is weird.

Yup they will be better just ask Childress they have a "Kick ass offense" lol

Sorry Ras your team is still going to be the Vikings...unless you go with what your heart really wants to cheer for! :)


Tony, you are guitar rat, what sort of guitar do you have?


As far as football. Vikes will be better on offense next year...(how can they be worse!) Peterson is gonna rock.

Its gutter rat ;)

That is true the Vikes cant get worse on offense. Whats with no Vet QB help? Still trying to figure that out. If they dont bring anyone in and Tavaris wins the job I would have to say you better hope the O line gels and can blow everyone off the ball because that is all you will have.



Damn, I can't read!



Yea, OL needs help and they didn't draft anyone. They ran the ball pretty well in the later part of the season. They need their WR prospects to pan out and have Williamson get his eyes fixed.

[Joemailman]

Bears are on the clock. WR here?

[Rastak]

Packers are up in 5 picks....so who do you guys want?


I say a CB.....

[Rastak]

Bears are on the clock. WR here?


They went CB two picks ago....

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Packers are up in 5 picks....so who do you guys want?


I say a CB.....

Clark Harrs or Kevin Boss.

[Scott Campbell]

Packers are up in 5 picks....so who do you guys want?


I say a CB.....


That or a TE.

[Tony Oday]

Water boy :)

I would say I would like to see a WR here. Seems that WR have the best chance this late. Another DD, Colston or Houshmanzadeh did I spell that right? I didnt look it up. Championship!

[packrulz]

TT will draft a QB soon, they don't like Favre to throw too much in training camp, plus, they might find a good back up QB.

[Tony Oday]

I thought we had three 7ths?

[J-Rok]

Up next.

[green_bowl_packer]

I thought we had three 7ths?


We gave one back to the Jets (7-235) back to the Jets in the trade down.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I do have a question.

Let's say you have a need at TE. Let's say you have one TE rated as a 1st round grade, one TE rated as a 2nd round grade, and then after that you think all of the TEs are pretty much horseshit and you'd rank all of them as 7th round grades, would you want your team to pick a TE in rounds 4, 5, or 6?

Seriously. I thought about this before the draft. TE is extremely weak. Olsen is a great receiver, but he can't block. He didn't deserve to be the #16 pick. However, both he and Miller were gone by the second round. After that, none of the TEs can run, and everybody's sleeper TE is short by TE standards.

I guess I don't have a problem with not reaching for a TE. Of course, this doesn't explain why Thompson didn't get Eric Johnson or anybody besides what they have. For that, he can be skewered. Hopefully, a TE becomes available. Otherwise, Zac Alcorn and Tory Humphrey better pull a Mark Chmura and be much improved.

[Joemailman]

I thought we had three 7ths?

TT traded a 7th for 2 8ths. :D

[Rastak]

I do have a question.

Let's say you have a need at TE. Let's say you have one TE rated as a 1st round grade, one TE rated as a 2nd round grade, and then after that you think all of the TEs are pretty much horseshit and you'd rank all of them as 7th round grades, would you want your team to pick a TE in rounds 4, 5, or 6?

Seriously. I thought about this before the draft. TE is extremely weak. Olsen is a great receiver, but he can't block. He didn't deserve to be the #16 pick. However, both he and Miller were gone by the second round. After that, none of the TEs can run, and everybody's sleeper TE is short by TE standards.

I guess I don't have a problem with not reaching for a TE. Of course, this doesn't explain why Thompson didn't get Eric Johnson or anybody besides what they have. For that, he can be skewered. Hopefully, a TE becomes available. Otherwise, Zac Alcorn and Tory Humphrey better pull a Mark Chmura and be much improved.



So maybe go CB with this pick?