Official 2007 Live Draft Thread

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Trading back to 23 will take us out of the top tier of talent, if we don't sit where we are and pick we'll basically be getting an early 2nd rounder at 23.

[b bulldog]

Please trade down for more picks

[4and12to12and4]

Revis was by far better than Hall, and some idiot team will give us what the jets gave carolina for him, let them have him.

[b bulldog]

We are in that talent level already

[VermontPackFan]

Staley to the Steelers maybe? Bowe?


I think the Steelers will take Branch

[motife]

Steelers take Hall? or Staley?

Lawerence Timmons

you may be right.

3 - 4 defenses can't have too many LB's.

[RashanGary]

This is sort of scary.

[Packnut]

I'm getting that nauseus feeling in my gut.

[b bulldog]

Timmons is a great 3-4 OLB

[Reggie 92]

They have Casey Hampton, they have no need for Branch

[4and12to12and4]

this is a longshot, and wont happen, but wouldnt it be unreal if Quinn dropped to Miami's second pick? That would be hilarious.

[b bulldog]

wE BETTER NOT EVEN THINK OF THE WOTHLESS bRANCH

[Fosco33]

78 users online and rising! Not bad Harv!

Nice job MTP and to everyone for their color commentary.

[Rastak]

Scouts inc take on 9 - 11



9. Miami Dolphins
The pick: Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State
Scouts take: Can you say curveball? Let's start with the good because it's easier to get out of the way. Ginn Jr. is a playmaker with blazing speed. He can go the distance every time he touches the ball whether it's on returns or catching the ball on offense. And the truth is the Dolphins need help at receiver and in the return game with Wes Welker now with New Englans. Now let's get to the bad. First off, passing on Quinn was a huge mistake. Even if Miami is going to trade for Trent Green, he is a dinosaur by NFL standards and there are obviously concerns about his ability to stay healthy.



Bringing in Quinn as an insurance policy and an outstanding heir apparent would have been the right move. Secondly, there are no guarantees Ginn Jr. will develop into a quality No. 2 receiver. While he has excellent speed, he ran just three routes at Ohio State so he has a tremendous amount of work to do in that area.

10. Houston Texans
Pick acquired from Atlanta
The pick: Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
Scouts take: The Texans had a more pressing need at corner and both of the top two were still on the board at the No. 10 pick. Either Darrelle Revis or Leon Hall would be great values at this pick and fill a more pressing need. That has to be noted but Okoye is still an excellent pick and the reason is great defenses are built from the inside out.



Okoye has excellent initial quickness, good strength and the frame to comfortably add weight. He can get after the passer and disrupt running plays in the backfield. In addition, defensive tackle is also a need and Okoye should compete for a starting role.

11. San Francisco 49ers
The pick: Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss
Scouts take: Most draft analysts worried San Francisco wasn't interested in Willis because the organization didn't bring him in for a visit but why bring him in when you know you are going to take him? Willis played for Noland and the 49er staff at the Senior Bowl and they named him team captain that week. Chances are that's when San Francisco started to lean toward taking him and any doubts they had were likely erased during film studies. Willis needs to work on reading routes and possibly add some bulk to his frame but he has few other weaknesses.



A stout run defender, he takes the shortest path to the ball and wraps up upon contact. Willis can also match up with most backs and tight ends when he drops into coverage. Finally, he is a leader on the field and a hard worker off it. In other words, he is the kind of player defenses are built around and he immediately improves San Francisco's defense.

[Sparkey]

timmons to pitt

[BallHawk]

Steelers take Hall? or Staley?

Lawerence Timmons

Good Call.

[Brando19]

they took timmons.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ideally, for me, we take Nelson or Meachem (unless a Moss trade is in the works), trade for Michael Turner, or trade down. Anybody get the feeling our next pick with be OT Joe Staley. I actually like him quite a bit--especially for our scheme. He's impressive, but it wouldn't be very sexy.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Come on TT - Quinn

[BallHawk]

TRADE! TRADE! TRADE! TRADE! TRADE!

[motife]

7 Brady Quinn QB
9 Leon Hall CB
15 Alan Branch DT
16 Greg Olsen TE
17 Dwayne Bowe WR
19 Robert Meachem WR
20 Joe Staley OT
22 Jarvis Moss DE
23 Anthony Spencer DE
25 Aaron Ross CB
26 Ben Grubbs G
27 Paul Posluszny OLB
28 Reggie Nelson S
29 Justin Harrell DT
30 Ryan Kalil C
31 Chris Houston CB
32 Dwayne Jarrett WR

[Rastak]

Steelers take Hall? or Staley?

Lawerence Timmons


Good call! Timmons to the Steelers....



Lawrence Timmons
OLB | (6'0", 234, 4.66) | FLORIDA STATE

Scouts Grade: 91



Strengths: A gifted natural athlete. He possesses adequate size and the frame to get bigger. Displays fluid hips and good change-of-direction skills. He is a sideline-to-sideline playmaker versus the run. Displays excellent closing burst and is a big hitter for his size. He possesses outstanding initial quickness and is a huge threat when turned loose off the edge as a pass rusher. He has a knack for shooting the correct gap and blowing up plays in the backfield. Displays very good range in coverage when he diagnoses the play quickly enough. Also possesses the speed and athleticism to match up one-on-one versus the NFL's premier running backs in coverage.

Weaknesses: Still lacks ideal playing experience. Must improve his recognition skills and do a better job of diagnosing play. He needs to improve his hand usage in order to get off blocks quicker. Must improve his strength in order to match up better in the phone booth. He lacks ideal awareness in coverage. He will get caught peeking in the backfield and takes too many false steps.

Overall: Timmons appeared in all 12 games as a true freshman during the 2004 season, registering 12 total tackles and one tackle for loss. In 2005, he played in all 13 contests as the team's No. 2 strong-side outside linebacker, a third-down rush-end, and on special teams, tallying 36 total tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, three sacks, two forced fumbles, and one fumble recovery. Timmons then started all 13 games in 2006 and recorded 79 total tackles, 18 tackles for loss, five sacks, one interception, one fumble recovery, and two blocked kicks to earn honorable mention All-ACC accolades from the media.
While his workout results were not quite as impressive as expected, Timmons still possesses a very good combination of size, speed and athleticism. The early-entry prospect could have used another season in college to polish his skills and improve his strength. However, he showed a great deal of upside in his only season as a fulltime starter in 2006. Timmons is versatile enough to home a fit in a 3-4 scheme, but we believe his best fit will be at "WILL" linebacker in the NFL. Regardless, he should quickly develop into a playmaking starter and he's entirely too talented to slip out of the first round.



* Player biographies are provided by Scouts Inc.

[b bulldog]

sTALEY WOULD BE AN EXCELLANT PICK HERE

[green_bowl_packer]

Rosenhaus what a douche!!!

[esoxx]

Timmons is a reach, bust pick.

[RashanGary]

I'm getting that nauseus feeling in my gut.

It's rare that I agree with you but the Bowe stuff and now this; I htink I might be on the same page with you.

This is just scary. Nobody expects the Packers to take Quinn but Thompson is just nutty enough ot stick iwth his board even when it makes no sense.

I'm a big fan of BPA but this is where I draw the line. YOu can't take a QB right now with this high of a pick. Maybe CLE can get something worked out where we get their #1 next year and #2 this year.

[Packgator]

So Packgator...you think Miami might try and work something out with GB for Quinn when number 16 comes?

I don't think Miami has enough ammo.

[b bulldog]

Meachem vs Bowe

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

sTALEY WOULD BE AN EXCELLANT PICK HERE

No Thanks.

[Brando19]

OLSEN OLSEN OLSEN

[Rastak]

Ideally, for me, we take Nelson or Meachem (unless a Moss trade is in the works), trade for Michael Turner, or trade down. Anybody get the feeling our next pick with be OT Joe Staley. I actually like him quite a bit--especially for our scheme. He's impressive, but it wouldn't be very sexy.


Nelson and Meachem would be good picks.

[Reggie 92]

Wow, I like Quinn but screw the future...trade down Teddie and stockpile picks!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I wouldn't mind Bowe. I like Meachem better for what we need though.

[4and12to12and4]

Guarantee We will get Meach or we will trade down



trade down tt

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I want Quinn or Nelson.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

you guys ready for Hall or Branch?

[BallHawk]

1. Meachem
2. Trade Down
3. Bowe

In that order.

Please no Hall, Branch, Olsen.

I'm on the fence with Quinn.

[Bretsky]

you guys ready for Hall or Branch?


NOOOOOOOOOO


MEACHEM OR TRADE DOWN

[MasonCrosby]

well it seems no two people can really agree on the pick...

[pacfan]

we are on the clock, we might be able to figure out what TT plan is.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

you guys ready for Hall or Branch?


NOOOOOOOOOO


MEACHEM OR TRADE DOWN

I would love Meachem, I just don't think it's going to happen.


:!: Remember, TT is a Best Player Available guy..

[Carolina_Packer]

hmm, tough to say what's going to happen

[Packnut]

I'm getting that nauseus feeling in my gut.

It's rare that I agree with you but the Bowe stuff and now this; I htink I might be on the same page with you.

This is just scary. Nobody expects the Packers to take Quinn but Thompson is just nutty enough ot stick iwth his board even when it makes no sense.

I'm a big fan of BPA but this is where I draw the line. YOu can't take a QB right now with this high of a pick. Maybe CLE can get something worked out where we get their #1 next year and #2 this year.

You and I agreeing can't be good! :lol:

[swede]

I'll have to be talked into feeling good about our pick by an enthusiastic TT at this point. No one sexy fell to 16.

[Brando19]

Something's tellin me it's Quinn....i'm gonna be sick...

[Freak Out]

Damn Steelers.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Almost here.............

[BallHawk]

My Heart Rate is inhuman at this point.

I will stick my head in the oven if we draft Branch.

[MasonCrosby]

maybe we can flip Rodgers to KC or Cleveland...?

[Rastak]

Something's tellin me it's Quinn....i'm gonna be sick...


Why? Favre could very well be done after this year...maybe not but it could happen. Quinn should be a good QB in the NFL.

[esoxx]

Would be foolish not to take Quinn. We are not set at QB. Favre is on his last legs and Rodgers has shown nothing even in his limited chances. If you you're building a team but don't have the QB you're hosed. Unlike Rodgers, Quinn is accurate. He's the best player on the board at the most valuable position. Take him. Hell, you can even trade him after you do but he's a value commodity right now.

[Carolina_Packer]

Hopefully the Chefs are trying to trade with us.

[Fosco33]

Ok, NFLN - you take a break now! I swear ESPN did this a few years back - why us?

[BallHawk]

If we draft Quinn, Rodgers will be traded by the end of today.

[MateoInMex]

Sup people. First chance to check in today.

Greg Olsen?

[Tarlam!]

BPA = Brady Quinn

[4and12to12and4]

please trade down for moss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !1

[Bretsky]

Don't take Quinn

QB's in the first are 50-50 at best

Meachem or trade this pick to somebody who wants Quinn or Hall

[MJZiggy]

Hey Mateo!! I took a shot on Bowe.

[woodbuck27]

ROUND 1
# Sel# Team Player Pos. Ht. Wt. School
1 1 Oakland Russell, JaMarcus QB 6-6 263 Louisiana State
2 2 Detroit Johnson, Calvin WR 6-4 237 Georgia Tech
3 3 Cleveland Thomas, Joe OT 6-6 313 Wisconsin
4 4 Tampa Bay Adams, Gaines DE 6-5 260 Clemson
5 5 Arizona Brown, Levi OT 6-4 328 Penn State
6 6 Washington Landry, LaRon FS 6-2 205 Louisiana State
7 7 Minnesota Peterson, Adrian RB 6-2 218 Oklahoma
8 8 Atlanta (from Houston) Anderson, Jamaal DE 6-6 279 Arkansas
9 9 Miami Ginn Jr., Ted WR 6-0 180 Ohio State
10 10 Houston (from Atlanta) Okoye, Amobi DT 6-2 287 Louisville
11 11 San Francisco Willis, Patrick ILB 6-1 240 Mississippi
12 12 Buffalo Lynch, Marshawn RB 5-11 217 California
13 13 St. Louis Carriker, Adam DE 6-6 292 Nebraska
14 14 N.Y. Jets (from Carolina) Revis, Darrelle CB 6-0 197 Pittsburgh
15 15 Pittsburgh Timmons, Lawrence OLB 6-3 232 Florida State

Green Bay Packers on the clock !!

Take Robert Meachem please. :)

[TennesseePackerBacker]

DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE

[swede]

Sup people. First chance to check in today.

Greg Olsen?

or Meacham or Hall or Branch or..God help us...Quinn.

[4and12to12and4]

i know were getting meach, i wish we'd trade with raiders

[Bretsky]

If we draft Quinn, Rodgers will be traded by the end of today.


We can't get a whole lot for the guy right now

[Rastak]

Sup people. First chance to check in today.

Greg Olsen?


What up beer rat?


I'm guessing Nelson.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Trade for Turner
Meachem
Nelson
Trade down (get someone like Rice or Olsen later)
Bowe

[Jimx29]

lololol.....looks like this is about the 1st or 2nd time quinn has ever had a suit and tie on :D

[Brando19]

Cleveland is trying to move up to land Quinn.

[superfan]

My first choice - trade this pick for Michael Turner.

My second choice - take Meacham.

[esoxx]

It just sucks that TT picked Arod to begin with and now Quinn sitting right there and we're in a bind. No-brainer otherwise. That pick's still f*cking things up.

[4and12to12and4]

Trade for Turner
Meachem
Nelson
Trade down (get someone like Rice or Olsen later)
Bowe

i agree if we cant trade for moss

[woodbuck27]

Sup people. First chance to check in today.

Greg Olsen?


What up beer rat?


I'm guessing Nelson.

A pretty good player. :)

[pacfan]

Sup people. First chance to check in today.

Greg Olsen?


What up beer rat?


I'm guessing Nelson.

ESPN is saying cleveland is making calls about moving up, and they put Quinn on the spot with Suzy Kolber

[MateoInMex]

Hey Ziggy!! Nice to see you on here today. I'm happy to be out of the Garbage Can and hanging out here.

8-)

[crosbiegrad]

They better pick quick here, I gotta get going to my soccer game and I think Im gonna be late waiting. Sorry guys but I am from across the pond and soccer is the first love!!!

[swede]

Okay, now I think we must be trading down. This is taking a long time.

[Bretsky]

It just sucks that TT picked Arod to begin with and now Quinn sitting right there and we're in a bind. No-brainer otherwise. That pick's still f*cking things up.

Yes it does

Superfan,
Nice to see ya in here

[Jimx29]

If we draft Quinn, Rodgers will be traded by the end of today.not out of the question that he could still go to Oakland as backup

[TennesseePackerBacker]

My first choice - trade this pick for Michael Turner.

My second choice - take Meacham.


I'd love it, but how does the Chargers signing him to a 1 year contract the other day figure in to that?

[BallHawk]

If we draft Quinn, Rodgers will be traded by the end of today.not out of the question that he could still go to Oakland as backup

It's very unlikely, though.

[superfan]

Gotta love the "Go Pack Go" chant by the pack fans...

[4and12to12and4]

hey mateo, if that pic is yer girl, you are one lucky man

[swede]

My first choice - trade this pick for Michael Turner.

My second choice - take Meacham.


I'd love it, but how does the Chargers signing him to a 1 year contract the other day figure in to that?

You can only trade guys under contract.

[woodbuck27]

This is taking awhile so TT may be trading down?

[motife]

If we draft Quinn, Rodgers will be traded by the end of today.not out of the question that he could still go to Oakland as backup

If that happens, it's time to do an intervention, and haul Al Davis off to the old folks home. He needs to be institutionalized.

[esoxx]

Imagine the chaos in the Packers War Room right now. Talk about pressure. This pick and decision to maybe trade out is huge.

[Carolina_Packer]

Bretsky, my parents both graduated from Fort and I grew up the first 10 years in Edgerton...what's up?

[MateoInMex]

Kiper just reiterated what Bretsky said.

[Rastak]

This is taking awhile so TT may be trading down?


That's his MO.....

[superfan]

My first choice - trade this pick for Michael Turner.

My second choice - take Meacham.


I'd love it, but how does the Chargers signing him to a 1 year contract the other day figure in to that?

The way I understand it, the Chargers could not trade Turner if he wasn't signed. Some have speculated that they signed him for the sole purpose of trading him.

[4and12to12and4]

like i said, meach or trade down you watch

[pacfan]

My first choice - trade this pick for Michael Turner.

My second choice - take Meacham.


I'd love it, but how does the Chargers signing him to a 1 year contract the other day figure in to that?

by signing Turner if allows SD to trade Turner w/o the 1st and 3rd requirement.

its looking like Quinn (ESPAN and NFLN), citing BPA

[Brando19]

THE PICK IS IN

[MateoInMex]

Muh Man Rastak 8-)

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, my parents both graduated from Fort and I grew up the first 10 years in Edgerton...what's up?


That's awesome !

Been here for a long time; this place is exciting today

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!

[woodbuck27]

Best players on the board are Quinn and Hall.

[swede]

Who is it?

[Sparkey]

THE PACKERS SELECT ........ JUSTIN HARREL

[Brando19]

WTF!??!!

[superfan]

Harrell, crap. Did not want that pick.

[Jimx29]

WTFF????

[Fosco33]

BOOOOO

[Bretsky]

You gotta be fucking kidding me

:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

[motife]

Justin Harrell...

a curve ball....

[BallHawk]

You've gotta be kidding me.

[esoxx]

LMFAO!!!!

[MateoInMex]

Justin Harrel? TT has got to be thinking he's trading for Moss now.

[Packnut]

Yep, real need pick there. I tried to get on the Thompson bandwagon but FUCK HIM

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[woodbuck27]

No way !!! It's Justin Harrel ??

[Rastak]

Pack takes Justin Harrell......hmmmmmmmm



Justin Harrell
DT | (6'4", 300, 5.04) | TENNESSEE

Scouts Grade: 90



Strengths: Is tall with adequate bulk and even more room on his frame to get bigger. He caries his weight extremely well and is a fluid athlete for his size. Shows good initial quickness and the ability to disrupt the run consistently. Is able to change directions quickly and also shows some closing burst for such a big defender. He is big enough to hold his ground versus the run when he gets good positioning and stays low. He displays above average lower body strength to clog a gap versus the run. He can push the pocket and uses long arms to disrupt the vision of opposing quarterbacks. He showed impressive leadership and toughness with his willingness to play through a biceps tear during the Florida game as a senior in 2006.

Weaknesses: He has never been very productive as a pass rusher. He seems to lack awareness and instincts in that regard. He also needs to use his hands better in order to get off of blocks. He is stout versus the run but lacks explosive upper body strength to jar offensive linemen initially. Durability is a significant issue after partially torn biceps injury cost him the final 10 games of his senior season in 2006. He also missed time with leg and ankle injuries in 2003 and another ankle injury in 2004.

Overall: Harrell was redshirted in 2002. In 2003, he missed the first five games with a broken ankle and then appeared in the remaining eight games, registering 10 total tackles and one tackle for loss. Harrell underwent right leg surgery midway through spring practice in March, 2004. He returned in the fall, played in all 13 games, starting the first 11 before being removed from the Kentucky game (ankle injury) and then held out of the starting lineup for the final two games. Harrell finished that season with 26 total tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, 12 quarterback hurries, two forced fumbles, and two fumble recoveries. He started all 11 games in 2005 and recorded 39 total tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks, two forced fumbles, and two interceptions, returning one for a touchdown. Harrell played in and started just three games in 2006, finishing with seven total tackles and 1.5 tackles for loss. He ruptured a biceps tendon against Air Force (9/9) but played the following week against Florida before shutting it down for the season.
Harrell is an impressive athlete for his size and he also displays good natural strength. He has never been a great pass rusher and he's also coming off a partially torn biceps that forced him out for the final 10 games of his senior season. However, his rehab went extremely well and he's not expected to have any lingering affects from the injury. From what we saw of Harrell prior to the injury, he has the potential to develop into a very good two-down starter in the NFL. We think he's worth drafting late in the first or early in the second round of the 2007 draft.



* Player biographies are provided by Scouts Inc.

[pacfan]

Who is it?

what a waste.

[mmmdk]

DEFENSE!!!

[TennesseePackerBacker]

He's a hell of a player, I've gotten to watch him the past couple years. The kid has a ton of heart, he was Gilbert-esqe against Florida.

I'm very happy, way to go TT.

[MasonCrosby]

i don't like this pick....not at all...

[swede]

Who the frickin hockeysticks is Harrell?

[VermontPackFan]

Gotta love the pick...Go pack.

[ahaha]

Maybe now we can package Corey Williams in a trade for Moss.

[Brohm]

TT overslept and some other fucktard is making the picks :shock:

[Brando19]

TT needs to get butt raped if he doesn't trade for Moss! What an idiot.

[Tony Oday]

WTF are you fricken kidding me?

[Bretsky]

WHY DOES THIS SHIT NOT SURPRISE ME

RB
WR
TE
S


THANKS SNAPPER

[Rastak]

You gotta admit, it's not possible to predict what TT might do.

[superfan]

Could not drafting WR mean a Moss deal is in the works?

[mmmdk]

He's a hell of a player, I've gotten to watch him the past couple years. The kid has a ton of heart, he was Gilbert-esqe against Florida.

I'm very happy, way to go TT.

I agree, I hope he's the real deal - way to go TT.

DEFENSE!!!

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Big time reach. Wow i hate it.

[Fosco33]

Why not a TE or WR? I don't get TT at all :oops:

[Freak Out]

This some kind of a joke?
Server is hammered.

[packinpatland]

Guess TT is telling Favre 'see ya'

[Charles Woodson]

what makes me mad is that Reggie Nelson was on the board

[Tarlam!]

YEEEEEES!

What ba STUD!!!!

:oops:

[GrnBay007]

I knew "WTF" would be popular today. :P

[esoxx]

You couldn't have traded down for that???

You choked Ted, you choked!!!

Pretty hilarious.

As for Quinn, we'll see how Arod does and compare it to Quinn. I have a feeling Packer fans will look back and say "what if?"

Justin "f*cking" Harrell at 16! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[motife]

I trust Ted Thompson.

These mock drafts are BS.

I'm looking forward to Harrell.

Makes Corey Williams available for trade.

[MJZiggy]

Could not drafting WR mean a Moss deal is in the works?

does Oakland happen to need a DT???

[MasonCrosby]

i don't understand...

[packinpatland]

Could not drafting WR mean a Moss deal is in the works?

I sure hope this is the reason.

[VermontPackFan]

Big time reach. Wow i hate it.

Not a reach at all, this guy would have been a top 6-8 pick if he had not torn his bicep this year. Think Casey Hampton, Steelers. This guys is going to be a rock next to Pickett.

Way to go TT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rastak]

You couldn't have traded down for that???

You choked Ted, you choked!!!

Pretty hilarious.

As for Quinn, we'll see how Arod does and compare it to Quinn. I have a feeling Packer fans will look back and say "what if?"

Justin "f*cking" Harrell at 16! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA


Maybe he tried to trade down but couldn't? I still would have drafted Nelson first.

[Jimx29]

Justin Harrel? TT has got to be thinking he's trading for Moss now.Ya gotta be hoping now....even the Mosss haters

[Rastak]

Big time reach. Wow i hate it.

Not a reach at all, this guy would have been a top 6-8 pick if he had not torn his bicep this year. Think Casey Hampton, Steelers. This guys is going to be a rock next to Pickett.

Way to go TT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kind of like when Udeze fell to the Vikes?

[Bretsky]

You couldn't have traded down for that???

You choked Ted, you choked!!!

Pretty hilarious.

As for Quinn, we'll see how Arod does and compare it to Quinn. I have a feeling Packer fans will look back and say "what if?"

Justin "f*cking" Harrell at 16! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA


:smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack:
:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:
:beat: :beat: :beat: :beat: :beat: :beat: :beat: :beat:

[MateoInMex]

Who the f**k let Charmin in the Packers draft room?

Seriously, I don't know much about Harrell. TT's MO is get the best guy available, and most "Experts" are saying Harrell wasn't the best guy available.

[swede]

You can't tell me everybody in that room was saying, "Let's pick that kid from Tennessee that's always injured."

[LL2]

This either means they couldn't find someone to trade for Arod or they believe in Arod. One of the two.

[TheCheese]

Dont really know too much about the guy, but I like the fact we choose defense, I trust in his scouting department but I think we could of traded down a couple spots and got him.

[Brohm]

Something must be up, depth is nice but we got a wee bit too much at DT right now.

[BallHawk]

Looking at the bios of this kid, he is not somebody you draft on production. He's got a lot of potential and he could've been top 10 if he was healthy.

What a curveball. Wow.

Let''s see what else is in the mix, though. There's a lot more draft let and this shows that TT isn't the same guy we thought he was.

[Jimx29]

I'm to stunned.....need to go do some yard work to recover :?

[motife]

You couldn't have traded down for that???

You choked Ted, you choked!!!

Pretty hilarious.

As for Quinn, we'll see how Arod does and compare it to Quinn. I have a feeling Packer fans will look back and say "what if?"

Justin "f*cking" Harrell at 16! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA


Maybe he tried to trade down but couldn't? I still would have drafted Nelson first.

Everyone knows the Packers would NOT take Quinn.

No reason to trade up with the Packers.

takes 2 to tango.

[woodbuck27]

Defensive Tackles

2007 Defensive Tackle Rankings

Posted on Mar 06, 2007 by Matt Miller

1. Alan Branch*, DT, Michigan, 6'6, 324
2. Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville. 6'2, 302
3. Quinn Pitcock, DT, Ohio State, 6'2, 299
4. Justin Harrell, DT, Tennessee, 6'4, 300
5. Brandon Mebane, DT, California, 6'1, 309
6. DeMarcus Tyler, DT, North Carolina State, 6'2, 306

[packinpatland]

I'm going out to mow the lawn.
Sure do feel deflated right now.

[b bulldog]

Kiper has stated numerous times that without his injury last season, he is a top 10 pick.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I trust Ted Thompson.

These mock drafts are BS.

I'm looking forward to Harrell.

Makes Corey Williams available for trade.

Why trade williams, whats wrong with depth. Moss shouldn't be more than a 4th. Please let this Harell guy be good.

[superfan]

Maybe he tried to trade down but couldn't? I still would have drafted Nelson first.

Completely agree here. Since nearly all the time was spent, probably trying to work a deal.

[pittstang5]

i don't understand...

I agree!

I was praying they'd trade trade down.

[Carolina_Packer]

Were you in love with our run defense last year? If we get a better push on the D-line, it takes pressure off the DB's.

[RashanGary]

I trust Ted Thompson.

These mock drafts are BS.

I'm looking forward to Harrell.

Makes Corey Williams available for trade.

I agree with everything except I love the idea of having a ton of depth so I don't think we need to trade Williams at all. Injuries are more common at DT than any other position it seems and depth is a veyr valuable thing.

Harrell fell off a bit with that Injury but Thompson has done a very good job with his picks. It sounds like he loves football from the guys that watched him play and he's a pretty damn intimidating fellow. WE should let this play out.

I'll admit; I was scared shitless about Quinn.

[b bulldog]

This must mean that the Moss trade will go down.

[motife]

Defensive Tackles

2007 Defensive Tackle Rankings

Posted on Mar 06, 2007 by Matt Miller

1. Alan Branch*, DT, Michigan, 6'6, 324
2. Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville. 6'2, 302
3. Quinn Pitcock, DT, Ohio State, 6'2, 299
4. Justin Harrell, DT, Tennessee, 6'4, 300
5. Brandon Mebane, DT, California, 6'1, 309
6. DeMarcus Tyler, DT, North Carolina State, 6'2, 306

Again, the mocks are BS.

I like an eclectic pick like this.

[Packgator]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

[Bretsky]

I CANNOT FATHOM HOW THE SNAPPER COULD NOT HAVE PULLED HIS HEAD OUT OF HIS SHELL, TRADED DOWN, AND GOT THE SAME DAM GUY.

IT'S BETTER NOT TO UNDERSTAND

TT HAS BROKEN ME

[cpk1994]

Who the f**k let Charmin in the Packers draft room?

Seriously, I don't know much about Harrell. TT's MO is get the best guy available, and most "Experts" are saying Harrell wasn't the best guy available.But the "Experts also said this guy would have been a top 10 pick if he had not been injured.

[pacfan]

what bullshit. Wolf said he failed Favre by not getting him weapons, TT is following the same MO.

fuck, somebody check on Ballhawk he might be sucking exhaust fumes in the garage

[Charles Woodson]

Days like these i wish that i lived in Green Bay to blow up TT's car. i mean why?

Meachum, Nelson, even olsen..... :shtf: :shtf: :shtf: :beat: :beat: :bang: :bang: :shtf: :shtf: :shtf: :whaa: :whaa: :whaa: :whaa: :whaa: :whaa: :whaa: :whaa: :whaa: :crazy:

[VermontPackFan]

Kind of like when Udeze fell to the Vikes?[/quote]

Enlighten us O'wise man...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well, out of the blue a bit. Harrell is a guy that I've liked quite a bit (a top 10 pick before his injury). We'll see. Pretty surprised, but not totally unhappy because I've said that you take a DL if you think the guy can be a real difference maker. The guy better be damned good though. I wonder if this means a Moss deal is indeed going down. Here's hoping for Sidney Rice or Brian Leonard in round 2.

My DL rankings that I posted a couple of days ago. I actually had Harrell ranked above Branch.


1. AMOBI OKOYE
2. JUSTIN HARRELL
3. ALAN BRANCH
4. QUINN PITCOCK
5. BRANDON MEBANE
6. DEMARCUS TYLER
7. MARCUS THOMAS
8. RAY McDONALD
9. TURK McBRIDE
10. KAREEM BROWN
11. DEREK LANDRI
12. ANTONIO JOHNSON

[b bulldog]

Our D was ranked 25th in points allowed

[4and12to12and4]

well, maybe Jennings, Robinson, Driver, and the young guns that played great in the finale at Chicago is enough for TT. Who knows? They were pretty impressive in that game when given the opportunity, and remember, Robinson is a Pro Bowl kick returner, and a better receiver than ANY receiver left on the board here in the draft. So, I dont hate the pick, defensive line is SO important. They are saying that he was in the top ten if not for the injury. If thats true, good scouting TT.

[LL2]

I'm to stunned.....need to go do some yard work to recover :?

That's really bad! :shock:

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Oh where there is smoke there is fire, Moss could very well be a Packer today. TT is building a great defense, noone on here may know this, being big 11 country and all. The Vols run defense was horrible last year, and it was mainly because Harrel was lost. Who do you think helped shut down Marshawn Lynch when Cal played them the first game, or Florida the 3rd game.

[RashanGary]

Kiper has stated numerous times that without his injury last season, he is a top 10 pick.

He's very intriguing that is for sure. He's not known because of the injury but he sounds like a guy with a ton of upside and he loves football according to that tennessee guy here.

[Bretsky]

TOO BAD THE JET'S DIDN'T CALL US

[green_bowl_packer]

If he didn't get hurt he's a top ten pick. This is kind of crafty on TT's part. I saw the game where he played hurt, he's good. Not to mention, number 92 from Tennessee.

[packinpatland]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

[Brohm]

Maybe it will turn out like the Bills pick last year. Everyone thought the safety was a reach, and turned out to be a stud

[Charles Woodson]

KEITH KIDD: With 16th pick Green Bay selects Justin Harrell. Green Bay is a true value team, they rely heavily on their player stack, and Harrell was easily the best player on the board. The addition of Harrell continues to the youth movement of the defensive side. Thompson is building this team around a tough defense. I thought the pick here could have been Alan Branch or a playmaking WR. Harrell is an impresive athlete for his size, but has never been a really effective inside pass rusher. But he has potenital to develop into a good two down player in the NFL. It is a little bit of a reach in our view since he was ranked 30th on our board.

from the espn chat

[b bulldog]

Harrell above braqnch isn't saying much. He has been coming on real fast these past few weeks.

[motife]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

How did the Bears get to the Super Bowl last year? Not with offense.

[Brando19]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

And returning.

[Packgator]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

One of the highlites ESPN showed was a interception for a TD. So to answer your question.........pretty good!

[packerbacker1234]

if we can't score we can't win.

The only thing that will be a saving grace to me for TT this draft is a trade for moss.


Truly, I give up defending him.

[Packnut]

We have a much larger need at Saftey. DT is one of the stronger parts of this team. This is a stupid pick. The kid has been injured way to much. This is just another example of Teddy's incompetence. If this pick does'nt open some eyes, then people are gonna be in for a rude awakening when we go 8-8 in 2008.

With all the needs we have, I figured no way in hell Teddy could screw this up. Well, foolish me cause he screwed up big-time.

[RashanGary]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

Thanks for the insight. It seems like the guys who have seen him play love him.

[woodbuck27]

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2007 MOCK DRAFT 6.0 presented by PFT

APRIL 27, 2007

ROUND ONE


1. Oakland Raiders: JaMarcus Russell, quarterback, LSU.

2. Atltanta Falcons (from Lions, projected): Calvin Johnson, wide receiver, Georgia Tech.

3. Cleveland Browns: Joe Thomas, offensive tackle, Wisconsin.

4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gaines Adams, defensive end, Clemson.

5. Arizona Cardinals: Amobi Okoye, defensive tackle, Louisville.

6. Washington Redskins: Jamaal Anderson, defensive end, Arkansas.

7. Minnesota Vikings: LaRon Landry, safety, LSU.

8. Detroit Lions (from Falcons, projected): Patrick Willis, linebacker, Mississippi.

9. Miami Dolphins: Brady Quinn, quarterback, Notre Dame.

10. Houston Texans (from Falcons): Darrelle Revis, cornerback, Pitt.

11. San Francisco 49ers: Alan Branch, defensive tackle, Michigan.

12. Buffalo Bills: Adrian Peterson, running back, Oklahoma.

13. St. Louis Rams: Adam Carriker, defensive end, Nebraska.

14. Carolina Panthers: Robert Meachem, wide receiver, Tennessee.

15. Pittsburgh Steelers: Levi Brown, offensive tackle, Penn State.

16. Green Bay Packers: Marshawn Lynch, running back, California.

17. Jacksonville Jaguars: Reggie Nelson, safety, Florida.

18. Cincinnati Bengals: Leon Hall, cornerback, Michigan.

19. Tennessee Titans: Ted Ginn, Jr., wide receiver, Ohio State.

20. New York Giants: Aaron Ross, cornerback, Texas.

21. Denver Broncos: Justin Harrell, defensive tackle, Tennessee. ***

*** Picked by Green Bay Packers at #16 in College draft Sat. 28 Apr. 2007.

22. Dallas Cowboys: Ben Grubbs, guard, Auburn.

23. Kansas City Chiefs: Eric Wright, cornerback, UNLV.

[Bretsky]

DENVER JUST TRADED UP

HEY TED, SOMEBODY WAS LOOKING TO TRADE UP

[b bulldog]

I'm still happy we didn't get Lynch

[esoxx]

Harrell wasn't close to BPA.

Also wasn't position of need when we have so many other glaring holes.

Plus he's got injury baggage.

Awesome.

[Packgator]

This is a stupid pick. The kid has been injured way to much.

What injuries are you referring to? I'm aware of the one........do you know something we don't?

[packerbacker1234]

Safety is a not a need for me. I feel underwood and culver can get the job done.

I was exspecting Quinn, WR, TE, or hell, a damn trade. Maybe even a CB. WTF is a DT doing in round one on a team full of them.

[swede]

Okay.

Calming down now.

Cleveland had nothing to give us, so we couldn't have traded with them.

I don't see how the injuries are not a concern with this kid. He's always rupturing muscles and having foot and ankle injuries.

I do like the attention to the middle of the defensive line, I guess.

I will swallow hard and trust TT. Too bad we've got no picks while another 30 players go off the board.

[4and12to12and4]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

And returning.

Who f'n cares. We don't need a receiver at that spot that won't even make the team over the guys we have.

[MJZiggy]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

Lol...but not really :shock:

[Rastak]

Kind of like when Udeze fell to the Vikes?

Enlighten us O'wise man...[/quote]


A great College player who had an injury and fell, not all that complicated really. Thus far he's been a serviceable but has been hurt. Thus far, not worthy of his pick. I detect a bit of smartass Vermont. I'm pointing out the obvious comparison, at least to me.

He might be great for all I know.

[AtlPackFan]

I gotta go and have a good cry somewhere...

I'm trying to look at the plus side of this but this is depressing. If he wanted to go defense, fine. Then what about Griffin, Nelson,,,,

[woodbuck27]

We have a much larger need at Saftey. DT is one of the stronger parts of this team. This is a stupid pick. The kid has been injured way to much. This is just another example of Teddy's incompetence. If this pick does'nt open some eyes, then people are gonna be in for a rude awakening when we go 8-8 in 2008.

With all the needs we have, I figured no way in hell Teddy could screw this up. Well, foolish me cause he screwed up big-time.

It's ALL about retiring Brett Favre.

If you see or believe that then TT's non actions make perfect sense.

He's not a good GM for us.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

We'll pick a WR in the 2nd or trade for Moss. Rice will probably be there at pick 16 in rd. 2, he would have been a top 20 pick next year.

What's so great about this pick is now we have 2 run-stuffing DT's and we have pass rushing DT's to bring in on nickel downs.

[mmmdk]

Big time reach. Wow i hate it.

Not a reach at all, this guy would have been a top 6-8 pick if he had not torn his bicep this year. Think Casey Hampton, Steelers. This guys is going to be a rock next to Pickett.

Way to go TT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right on - only the injury had Harrell drop. He's a leader and a warrior - lockerroom general and shows the goods on the field too.

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS - REMEMBER THAT...ALWAYS! Pack D was # 1 in latest SB win year; Lombardi era had defense too. Defense rules.

[Packnut]

IF your gonna draft a DT in the first rd, he had better be able to collapse the pocket. This kid can't and never will. It's his major weakness. The reason the Bears DT's are so good is because they excel at inside pressure. Any idiot knows, QB's hate inside pressure.

[The Leaper]

I am not a fan of this pick...mostly because I think Harrell is too much like Pickett. However, with guys like Hawk and Barnett signed long term, we need big bodies up front to let them make plays with their speed.

Thompson clearly feels this guy has premium top 10 ability. I think I prefer Harrell to Okoye or Branch in terms of short term potential...but if we were going to go defense, I would've preferred Willis or Nelson.

[motife]

KEITH KIDD: With 16th pick Green Bay selects Justin Harrell. Green Bay is a true value team, they rely heavily on their player stack, and Harrell was easily the best player on the board. The addition of Harrell continues to the youth movement of the defensive side. Thompson is building this team around a tough defense. I thought the pick here could have been Alan Branch or a playmaking WR. Harrell is an impresive athlete for his size, but has never been a really effective inside pass rusher. But he has potenital to develop into a good two down player in the NFL. It is a little bit of a reach in our view since he was ranked 30th on our board.

from the espn chat

DEFENSE!!

DEFENSE!!!

Gimmee a D!! Gimmee an E!!

[b bulldog]

The game is won in the trenches and DT is a very important position. I was actually hoping we would trade with the Browns for their number two and Braylon Edwards.

[BallHawk]

Did a little research on Harrell and found this.


Last man to wear No. 92, Reggie White's jersey. "That was for a reason," Angelo said. "Very talented guy. In the end, he could be the best DT." Would have started for three seasons but suffered a torn biceps in Week 3 of 2006 and had surgery. "He's a two-gap nose tackle," said Ross. "Not going to give you a lot of pass rush, range and stuff. If you want somebody just to sit in there and plug it up in the middle, he's the guy." Finished with 82 tackles (14 for loss) and four sacks. His Wonderlic score of 24 was high among top D-tackles. "Good use of hands to shed, good short pursuit, real tough and doesn't take downs off," one scout said. "More of a bull rusher and a pocket pusher."

[LL2]

I'm still happy we didn't get Lynch

Me too!

[Rastak]

Broncos move up....but for whom?

[Charles Woodson]

what the fuck, broncos why couldnt u contact us??!?!?!??!?!

[esoxx]

You couldn't have traded down for that???

You choked Ted, you choked!!!

Pretty hilarious.

As for Quinn, we'll see how Arod does and compare it to Quinn. I have a feeling Packer fans will look back and say "what if?"

Justin "f*cking" Harrell at 16! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA


Maybe he tried to trade down but couldn't? I still would have drafted Nelson first.

Yeah, just the team behind them trades down. What a f*cking choke job.

[MateoInMex]

So if Harrell's injury cost him a Top 10 pick, can anyone explain to me what exactly a ruptured bicep tendon is?

I take it it's not nearly as disastrous as MCL tear. If a collarbone was red flagging a bunch of scouts, wouldn't a ruptured bicep tendon be considered worse than a collarbone?

Anyone on here a doctor involved w/sports medicine.

[4and12to12and4]

You guys are underestimating how good Robinson could be, and Jennings in his second year, not to mention the young guys we have that played well in the Bears game. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE. The offense will be there if the o line continues improving. if Brett has time, he can make a star out of ANY of the receivers we already have. Period.

[Merlin]

And with the 16th overall pick, the Packers select Justin Harrell. LMFGDAO........hahahahahahaha

BPA? NOT~!

Let's draft the only position we are DEEP IN GOOD PLAYERS IN!!!!

We didn't draft for NEED
We didn't draft BPA

WTF did we even select for??????

The guy played 2-3 games last season and sat with an injury. Those types of players ARE NOT FIRST ROUND PICKS!

I am officially done watching the draft, just like in 2005 when we drafted Rodgers 1s, I am going to drink beer and burn an effigy to Ted Thompson...

FIRE THOMPSON NOW!

[swede]

Did a little research on Harrell and found this.


Last man to wear No. 92, Reggie White's jersey. "That was for a reason," Angelo said. "Very talented guy. In the end, he could be the best DT." Would have started for three seasons but suffered a torn biceps in Week 3 of 2006 and had surgery. "He's a two-gap nose tackle," said Ross. "Not going to give you a lot of pass rush, range and stuff. If you want somebody just to sit in there and plug it up in the middle, he's the guy." Finished with 82 tackles (14 for loss) and four sacks. His Wonderlic score of 24 was high among top D-tackles. "Good use of hands to shed, good short pursuit, real tough and doesn't take downs off," one scout said. "More of a bull rusher and a pocket pusher."

Sounds like Gilbert.

[Bretsky]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

And returning.

Who f'n cares. We don't need a receiver at that spot that won't even make the team over the guys we have.


Wow

We have two starting calibur WR's. That's it. Then we have #5 guys and a player that may or may not get reinstated.

We need a WR a hell of a lot more than we needed another DL.

[superfan]

Denver gave up their 3rd and 6th to move up 5 spots. Wish we could have gotten a 3rd and 6th to move pack to their pick.

[Charles Woodson]

Broncos move up....but for whom?

jarvis moss

[Rastak]

Broncos take Jarvis Moss! A first round grade DE....



Jarvis Moss
DE | (6'6", 250, 4.7) | FLORIDA

Scouts Grade: 92



Strengths: A tall, rangy athlete. Displays very good first-step quickness and top-end speed. He shows the ability to turn the corner on a consistent basis and closes quickly as a pass rusher. Extremely fluid and smooth; he changes directions without losing much time in transition. He shows the ability to get offensive tackle's off-balance with his quick double moves. He plays with a good motor and will make plays from behind in pursuit. He does play with decent leverage and will try to stay low when taking on bigger blockers in the running game.

Weaknesses: He's undersized and gets rag-dolled by bigger blockers that get into his body. He tries to stay low and take on blockers when teams are running at him, but he simply lacks the base to hold ground. He comes with some baggage in terms of durability and character alerts; staff infection in 2005 caused him to lose nearly 40 pounds and one-game suspension in 2006.

Overall: Moss battled hernia problems prior to the start of the 2003 season, dressed for three total contests appearing in one game against Florida A&M (9/13) when he registered five total tackles, but dealt with some more pelvic-area muscle trouble throughout the year and received a medical redshirt. He returned in 2004 after practicing some at linebacker in the preseason but only appeared in the season opener against Eastern Michigan (9/11) as a redshirt freshman. Moss then played in the final 11 games during Florida's 12-game 2005 season, mostly on third-down, and recorded 25 total tackles including nine for loss, 7.5 sacks, one forced fumble, and one fumble recovery. Moss started 13 of 14 games in 2006, missing the Western Carolina game (11/18) because of suspension, and registered 56 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, 7.5 sacks, four forced fumbles, and two blocked kicks.
Moss makes the leap to the NFL after turning in his best season as a junior in 2006. He needs to get bigger and stronger in order to properly defend the run in the NFL. He also comes with some minor character and durability "alerts" that could make some teams uneasy. In all reality, though, Moss is unlikely to slip out of the first round because he possesses the frame, speed and athletic ability to eventually emerge as an impact every-down starter in the NFL. Moss could grow into a role as a 4-3 defensive end or 3-4 rush-linebacker, depending on the team that drafts him. Either way, Moss should contribute immediately as a pass rusher.



* Player biographies are provided by Scouts Inc.

[Packgator]

IF your gonna draft a DT in the first rd, he had better be able to collapse the pocket. This kid can't and never will.

How do you know this? Have you seen him play?

[TheCheese]

IF your gonna draft a DT in the first rd, he had better be able to collapse the pocket. This kid can't and never will. It's his major weakness. The reason the Bears DT's are so good is because they excel at inside pressure. Any idiot knows, QB's hate inside pressure.

How the hell do you know he will never be able collapse the pocket? Maybe because TT drafted him?

[woodbuck27]

Safety is a not a need for me. I feel underwood and culver can get the job done.

I was exspecting Quinn, WR, TE, or hell, a damn trade. Maybe even a CB. WTF is a DT doing in round one on a team full of them.

This is the one area where we had some strength.

So TT doubles down on the DL. He doesn't even go DE.

I'm not at all surprized.

I'm way past being pissed off at this joke we call our GM.

[Bretsky]

Denver gave up their 3rd and 6th to move up 5 spots. Wish we could have gotten a 3rd and 6th to move pack to their pick.


Everybody knows the Turtle likes to trade down; I'm sure he was contacted

[Merlin]

The Packers with the #1 overall pick in the 2008 draft select....

[Rastak]

IF your gonna draft a DT in the first rd, he had better be able to collapse the pocket. This kid can't and never will. It's his major weakness. The reason the Bears DT's are so good is because they excel at inside pressure. Any idiot knows, QB's hate inside pressure.

How the hell do you know he will never be able collapse the pocket? Maybe because TT drafted him?

The same way people know Adrian Peterson will get hurt next year I guess....


:wink: :wink: :wink:

[LL2]

You guys are underestimating how good Robinson could be, and Jennings in his second year, not to mention the young guys we have that played well in the Bears game. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE. The offense will be there if the o line continues improving. if Brett has time, he can make a star out of ANY of the receivers we already have. Period.

I hope your right.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

We'll see with Harvell. For people who know about him, is he a player who is a first year starter or a development type player?

[Packnut]

IF your gonna draft a DT in the first rd, he had better be able to collapse the pocket. This kid can't and never will.

How do you know this? Have you seen him play?

Yes, that is the few times he was healthy. He's a run stuffer plain and simple. He'll hold the point of attack. He's a solid 2nd or 3rd rd pick cause your gonna pull him on 3rd down. The problem is NFL teams do pass on 1st and 2nd down. So your gonna get outside pressure from our DE's and QB's are just gonna step up and throw.

[superfan]

Denver gave up their 3rd and 6th to move up 5 spots. Wish we could have gotten a 3rd and 6th to move pack to their pick.


Everybody knows the Turtle likes to trade down; I'm sure he was contacted

You're probably right, which makes it maddening.

[Merlin]

Pissed off doesn't even begin to describe what I am feeling right now. TT is an idiot. Our defense was one maybe two players away from being great. With a season under their belt they will be much improved in 2007 even if they do nothing with the personnel. Defenses DO NOT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS IF THE OFFENSE CANNOT SCORE A DAMN POINT!

TT had better be trading this wasted pick to a team that actually wanted him.,..

[lod01]

if we can't score we can't win.

The only thing that will be a saving grace to me for TT this draft is a trade for moss.


Truly, I give up defending him.

You'll see plenty of points with Favre, Brandon Jackson, Driver, Moss and Jennings.

[4and12to12and4]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

And returning.

Who f'n cares. We don't need a receiver at that spot that won't even make the team over the guys we have.


Wow







We have two starting calibur WR's. That's it. Then we have #5 guys and a player that may or may not get reinstated.

We need a WR a hell of a lot more than we needed another DL.


Bullshit. Robinson will start and be great. He would start on just about every team in the nfl. So, with him and driver and jennings and all the other young talent that showed up in the last game, Meachum would've suffered the same fate as the other "great return guy" we got in last years draft that is bagging groceries right now.

[motife]

There is no such a thing as a "reach" in this draft.

There's one blue chip player. Calvin Johnson.

About a half dozen red chippers.

Everyone else is pretty even in the first round.

And again, the media position rankings and mocks are by amateurs.

DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!

[LL2]

The way this first rd is shaping up some good offensive players are going to be slipping to the 2nd rd.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not that upset. I've overreacted at draft time before, but the kid is talented. If he stays healthy, maybe he's the stud on the interior that really sets the defense up for success. I'd also let this play out and see if we get a good WR later on (maybe Moss, maybe Rice or somebody like that). Glaring hole at RB, but any guy on the board would have been a major reach. Maybe we can fill the WR hole later. No TE was worth the #16 pick. You don't overreach for need. Marriage between need and BPA appeared to be S, but who knows. Maybe Nelson came across poorly to the Packers. I know there are some questions about his character and his intelligence. Maybe they felt a pairing of Collins and Nelson wouldn't work out.

[Merlin]

I would say at this point that a Moss trade is out of the question. TT should have traded the #1 overall for Moss straight up. We would get a probowl WR for at least 3 years (or a rookie who may bolt after 3 years) who can produce NOW.

WHAT A DUMBASS....

I sure hope the Packers management is watching because TT, THIS ISN'T YOUR GOD DAMN TEAM!

[Packnut]

Hey, I'm not asking anyone to take my word for it. Here it is:



Strengths: Is tall with adequate bulk and even more room on his frame to get bigger. He caries his weight extremely well and is a fluid athlete for his size. Shows good initial quickness and the ability to disrupt the run consistently. Is able to change directions quickly and also shows some closing burst for such a big defender. He is big enough to hold his ground versus the run when he gets good positioning and stays low. He displays above average lower body strength to clog a gap versus the run. He can push the pocket and uses long arms to disrupt the vision of opposing quarterbacks. He showed impressive leadership and toughness with his willingness to play through a biceps tear during the Florida game as a senior in 2006.

Weaknesses: He has never been very productive as a pass rusher. He seems to lack awareness and instincts in that regard. He also needs to use his hands better in order to get off of blocks. He is stout versus the run but lacks explosive upper body strength to jar offensive linemen initially. Durability is a significant issue after partially torn biceps injury cost him the final 10 games of his senior season in 2006. He also missed time with leg and ankle injuries in 2003 and another ankle injury in 2004.

Overall: Harrell was redshirted in 2002. In 2003, he missed the first five games with a broken ankle and then appeared in the remaining eight games, registering 10 total tackles and one tackle for loss. Harrell underwent right leg surgery midway through spring practice in March, 2004. He returned in the fall, played in all 13 games, starting the first 11 before being removed from the Kentucky game (ankle injury) and then held out of the starting lineup for the final two games. Harrell finished that season with 26 total tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, 12 quarterback hurries, two forced fumbles, and two fumble recoveries. He started all 11 games in 2005 and recorded 39 total tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks, two forced fumbles, and two interceptions, returning one for a touchdown. Harrell played in and started just three games in 2006, finishing with seven total tackles and 1.5 tackles for loss. He ruptured a biceps tendon against Air Force (9/9) but played the following week against Florida before shutting it down for the season.

[4and12to12and4]

There is no such a thing as a "reach" in this draft.

There's one blue chip player. Calvin Johnson.

About a half dozen red chippers.

Everyone else is pretty even in the first round.

And again, the media position rankings and mocks are by amateurs.

DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!

Exactly, Johnson was the only sure really good 1st rounder without a doubt. I like the pick, Meach and co. wouldnt even had made the team.

[Bretsky]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

And returning.

Who f'n cares. We don't need a receiver at that spot that won't even make the team over the guys we have.


Wow







We have two starting calibur WR's. That's it. Then we have #5 guys and a player that may or may not get reinstated.

We need a WR a hell of a lot more than we needed another DL.


Bullshit. Robinson will start and be great. He would start on just about every team in the nfl. So, with him and driver and jennings and all the other young talent that showed up in the last game, Meachum would've suffered the same fate as the other "great return guy" we got in last years draft that is bagging groceries right now.


Do you understand that there is no guarantee that Robinson will even play next year ? He has to APPLY to be reinstated to the NFL at a time when the new commissioner wants to make examples.

He does not get to even practice til four games into the season; counting on him is just downright silly.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

It's laughable how people wanted to go Offense with the first pick when all along it was going to be Defense, the writing was on the wall. TT is building a championship defense, you can't lose if the other team can't score, remember the 02'(i think) Ravens?

I'll bet anyone here via paypal 50$ the Packers D finishes in the top 9 next year, and one of the top 4 in the NFC.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

There is no such a thing as a "reach" in this draft.

There's one blue chip player. Calvin Johnson.

About a half dozen red chippers.

Everyone else is pretty even in the first round.

And again, the media position rankings and mocks are by amateurs.

DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!

I guess your right, I was just mad at first because I wanted someone else. I hope he turns out great.

[pittstang5]

I knew the pack was going to go defense. But Harrell - Big Surprise!

At this point, I hate this pick, but maybe his play will change my mind.

[Merlin]

K-Rob is a reach right now since it's out of our hands. We have to DRAFT, TRADE AND SIGN like he isn't a player on our roster because HE ISN'T right now.

[Bretsky]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

And returning.

Who f'n cares. We don't need a receiver at that spot that won't even make the team over the guys we have.


Wow







We have two starting calibur WR's. That's it. Then we have #5 guys and a player that may or may not get reinstated.

We need a WR a hell of a lot more than we needed another DL.


Bullshit. Robinson will start and be great. He would start on just about every team in the nfl. So, with him and driver and jennings and all the other young talent that showed up in the last game, Meachum would've suffered the same fate as the other "great return guy" we got in last years draft that is bagging groceries right now.


Do you understand that there is no guarantee that Robinson will even play next year ? He has to APPLY to be reinstated to the NFL at a time when the new commissioner wants to make examples.

He does not get to even practice til four games into the season; counting on him is just downright silly.

ONE MORE THING; MEACHAM IS NOT A RETURN GUY SO WHY YOU WOULD COMPARE HIM TO RODGERS IS BEYOND ME

[Rastak]

I would say at this point that a Moss trade is out of the question. TT should have traded the #1 overall for Moss straight up. We would get a probowl WR for at least 3 years (or a rookie who may bolt after 3 years) who can produce NOW.

WHAT A DUMBASS....

I sure hope the Packers management is watching because TT, THIS ISN'T YOUR GOD DAMN TEAM!


Actually, until he's fired it is.

[ND72]

can't tell me we couldn't trade back and gotten that same trade with Denver, and still get Harrell. I'm just not happy at all over this. Just in complete surprise and disappointment.

[Rastak]

Hall goes to the Bengels......



Leon Hall
CB | (5'11", 193, 4.39) | MICHIGAN

Scouts Grade: 96

Strengths: An experienced, savvy and solid all-around cornerback prospect. He's a fluid and smooth athlete. Possesses adequate-to-good size and plays even bigger than his size would indicate. An aggressive and tough cornerback. Shows very good instincts and will do an excellent job of reading quarterbacks' eyes in coverage. He is at his best when working with some cushion. Breaks quickly and shows very good burst when closing on the ball in front of him. He won't shy down from a physical matchup. Fills hard versus the run and has developed into a reliable tackler in space. He shows good lateral mobility and fluid hips. He's a natural playmaker. Displays great ball skills in coverage and also does an excellent job of generating fumbles as an open-field tackler. Very consistent performer. Also has good intangibles and work ethic.

Weaknesses: : Lack of ideal turn-and-run skills is biggest knock. Doesn't play as fast as his 40-time indicates. Lacks the acceleration to recover from mistakes versus faster NFL receivers. Seems to be more comfortable coming forward then he is when asked to turn-and-run in press coverage.

Overall: Hall played in all 13 games (three starts) as a true freshman in 2003 finishing the year with 26 total tackles, one tackle for loss, three interceptions, and six pass breakups. In 2004, he saw action in all 12 games (nine starts) and recorded 48 total tackles, one tackle for loss, two interceptions, 10 pass breakups, and two fumble recoveries. Hall then started all 12 games in 2005, registering 61 total tackles, three tackles for loss, two sacks, four interceptions, nine pass breakups, one forced fumble, and one fumble recovery. In 2006, Hall started all 13 games, finishing with 45 total tackles, two tackles for loss, one sack, three interceptions, 15 pass breakups, and two fumble recoveries. Over the past four seasons, he has also returned 15 punts for 174 yards (11.6 average) and one touchdown.
Despite his excellent 40-time, Hall lacks ideal turn-and-run skills, which was exposed in his 2006 matchup versus Ohio State WR Ted Ginn Jr. However, Hall is a physical cover corner with a very good combination of size, athleticism, instincts and ball skills. He will fit best in a zone-heavy scheme in the NFL but he also can succeed playing mostly man-to-man coverage, so long as he gets deep-support versus upper-echelon speed receivers. Hall is big and strong enough to handle bigger NFL receivers one-on-one and he also does a fine job supporting the run. In our opinion, Hall grades out as a mid-first round prospect but in a weak class of cornerbacks he could come off the board in the top-10 picks.



* Player biographies are provided by Scouts Inc.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I would say at this point that a Moss trade is out of the question. TT should have traded the #1 overall for Moss straight up. We would get a probowl WR for at least 3 years (or a rookie who may bolt after 3 years) who can produce NOW.

WHAT A DUMBASS....

I sure hope the Packers management is watching because TT, THIS ISN'T YOUR GOD DAMN TEAM!

Repeat, this is not Madden, let's not forget the fact that Moss can be gotten for a 2nd rounder why would you even say give up a first?

[4and12to12and4]

Harrell can play! He is a force.

How good is he at catching and running the ball?????????

And returning.

Who f'n cares. We don't need a receiver at that spot that won't even make the team over the guys we have.


Wow







We have two starting calibur WR's. That's it. Then we have #5 guys and a player that may or may not get reinstated.

We need a WR a hell of a lot more than we needed another DL.


Bullshit. Robinson will start and be great. He would start on just about every team in the nfl. So, with him and driver and jennings and all the other young talent that showed up in the last game, Meachum would've suffered the same fate as the other "great return guy" we got in last years draft that is bagging groceries right now.


Do you understand that there is no guarantee that Robinson will even play next year ? He has to APPLY to be reinstated to the NFL at a time when the new commissioner wants to make examples.

He does not get to even practice til four games into the season; counting on him is just downright silly.


He WILL be reinstated. The NFL is not going to ban him forever. He's served a stiff penalty. Plus, Favre MAKES stars out of good receivers. Great receivers don't make Favre look good. The young guys that kicked ass in the Bears game are as good if not better than the receivers left in this draft. They wouldnt have even made the team, except for the fact that you would have to pay them millions for a 16th pick and HAVE to keep 'em. No Way we pick receiver there.

[Merlin]

It's laughable how people wanted to go Offense with the first pick when all along it was going to be Defense, the writing was on the wall. TT is building a championship defense, you can't lose if the other team can't score, remember the 02'(i think) Ravens?

I'll bet anyone here via paypal 50$ the Packers D finishes in the top 9 next year, and one of the top 4 in the NFC.

Harrell will have NOTHING to do with how the Packers defense finishes this season. We already have very good DT's. Taking Quinn and using him for bait or trading out of the first round was the right thing to do instead of taking a 3rd round at best player. Now we have to overpay the guy even though he isn't worth anything but the rookie minimum.

[RashanGary]

Come on guys. I can't honestly say that I know what is going to happen with this guy but the poeple who are here that have seen him seem excited and from everything I've heard; he loves football.

I think I might make him my name this year because 1. People who've seen him play love him and 2. I trust Ted Thompson a lot more than I trust myself.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The same way people know Adrian Peterson will get hurt next year I guess....

Well, if what they are saying about Harrell is true (that he's a top 10 talent that is an injury risk), maybe he's good value at that spot. I'm not going to rip the Vikings pick because I liked the pick for them, but it's probably pretty similar. Peterson is a top 3 talent, injury concerns dropped him, but he's good value at #7. Harrell could be a top 10 talent, injury concerns dropped him, but he's good value at #16. I'm sure Viking fans aren't concerned about him as the pick, but none of that really matters. Also, personally, I never said that Peterson was going to get injured. I said there were injury concerns about him. Same can be said for this guy.

[motife]

can't tell me we couldn't trade back and gotten that same trade with Denver, and still get Harrell. I'm just not happy at all over this. Just in complete surprise and disappointment.

Javon Walker has banned all trades with Green Bay. He wouldn't take Ted Thompson's calls on the move down.