Big Unit says it is up to Favre

[Pacopete4]

the great thing is.. he's played long enough where stats dont lie... hes the best, hes the most "athletic passer" we'l ever see in the game.. and when i say that.. its not mike vick but its not drew bledsoe.. he can move, and throw from any postion you want.. and guess what.... EVEN AT THE AGE OF 38!!! aha.. i'd love to see brady or manning do that.. hell even montana.. we all know marino tried.. just to extend those records.. but how'd he look...



packer fans are babied.. and badly... its as simple as that..


we'l look for something better.. but we'l never see it, even my grandkids, grandkids wont see it

[b bulldog]

Stats are wonderful, I love stats as anyone here can attest to but the most important stat of all in this wonderful game is Super Bowl wins, ask Marino.

[RashanGary]

The most profound thing about that stat is that all of the multiple SB winners are in the list that throws few INT's and Favre is down with the guys who either have none and a few with one.

Brett's playing better this year though. We have a better chance even thought that stat was pretty damning for our SB winning odds.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The most profound thing about that stat is that all of the multiple SB winners are in the list that throws few INT's and Favre is down with the guys who either have none and a few with one.

Ummm.... aren't there only four guys on the list with multiple Super Bowls or am I missing something?

The first, Joe Montana, is the guy I consider the greatest QB of all-time.

The second, Tom Brady, is on his way--but hasn't hit the downside of his career yet.

John Elway and Troy Aikman are close to where Favre is. There isn't a whole lot of difference between 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2--especially when considering the numbers were rounded. I think you're reading what you want into it. I consider Elway one of the top 4 QBs of all-time. Aikman had a great team and was a great game manager. All but Elway had great teams around him. Elway won when Terrell Davis came onto the scene. They didn't have to take as many chances--just like Favre this year, his Super Bowl years, and maybe 2003-2004.

[pbmax]

If I was more ambitious on this Saturday, I would do the differential between TDs and INTs percentages and take a look. None of it is perfect, INTs can happen anywhere and cost you on average 46 yards of field position (there have been studies done, you'll have to trust me, I don't have a link) and POSSIBLY a score.

TD throws are much more a function of field position and produce points, which is the ultimate goal of any offense. So there may not be a direct, inverse relationship.

And this goes back to the original point of the thread. With a decent defense (that may be the surprise of the season, that the D has been less successful than the O, who'd have thunk that?), improving protection and receivers he trusts, clearly Favre has been less likely to heave ho.

With better receivers, he has had fewer drops and thus they have, in a small but direct way, prevented Bill Shroeder interceptions by being where they are supposed to be and holding on, mostly. I am looking at you James Jones.

He has been behind late in few games and those instances have not been blowouts except 2nd Bears. This has all combined to put Favre in his best position.

What I expect/hope from him in the playoffs is to trust the team and coaches into the 4th quarter. Play the field position game if you have to. If its not working by then, heave away.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080105/PKR01/801050399/1989

The postseason has seen Favre sometimes at a finest, but also a couple of times at his worst, though it's no coincidence he was at his best when the Packers were their most talented. Two of the best games of his career, for instance, were at San Francisco in the playoffs, in the divisional round in the 1995 season and in the NFC championship game in the 1997 season. He had a passer rating of 107.4 points and completed 73.3 percent of his passes in the Packers' upset win over the 49ers' in the 1995 playoffs, and his passer rating was 98.1 points in leading the Packers to a win in the NFC title game in the '97 playoffs.

In the 1995 and 1996 playoffs he played some of his best football. In 2005, when the Packers lost in the NFC championship at Dallas, his passer rating was 106.9 points (eight touchdown passes, two interceptions) in three games. In 1996, when the Packers won the Super Bowl, his passer rating was even better, 107.5 points (five touchdown passes, one interception). In the Packers' Super Bowl loss to Denver, he had three touchdown passes, one interception and a 91.0 passer rating.

His lowest playoff moments were in the 2001 season, when he threw six interceptions in a blowout loss at St. Louis, and the 2003 season in the infamous fourth-and-26 loss at Philadelphia, where he played a good game but heaved an inexplicable interception in overtime that set up the Eagles' game-winning field goal.

"I'm disappointed in some of those games," Favre said, "I'm very disappointed in the Denver game. I thought I played pretty good but not good enough. There's been games, not only in playoffs but in the regular season, where I didn't play as good and we did win. I'd like to think we would have or should have won more playoff games, which in turn lead to a chance at the Super Bowl at least. But I don't know if I'd have done anything much different. I'd have played and prepared the same way. You just have a tendency to remember those (losses) because of what they represent."

[RashanGary]

MM seems to have brought him back to the MVP days. If his playoff games are the same way, we'll be in the Superbowl.

[FritzDontBlitz]

Leaper, would you call the interception record an indicator that he makes a lot of stupid decisions?

People constantly bitch about Brett Favre's interceptions No one ever makes note of the fact that of all the quarterbacks on that list, Favre is the only one who started every game over every season and pretty much took every snap in the 17 years he's been in the league. His interception rate of 3.3% puts him in the middle of the pack in career stats, yet he is still the most accurate passer of any quarterback with over 6000 attempts with a 61.1% completion rate. The interception record is indicative that Brett Favre throws more passes than anyone else in the history of the NFL. Yes, his style of play has certainly contributed to his total of interceptions, but it has also led him to throw more TD passes than any other quarterback in NFL history as well.

I have never subscribed to the concept that the success or failure of the Packers rests solely on Brett Favre's shoulders. Do you really believe Michael Jordan won 6 NBA titles all by himself? Football, like basketball, is a team sport - especially come playoff time - and if you are putting all your hopes solely in your QB's hands then you are saying the rest of your team basically sucks. Its an insult to your running back, receivers, your defense, your special teams and entire coaching staff. Mike Holmgren and Ron Wolf never subscribed to this theory, that's why they built a strong defense and made sure there were enough playmakers to surround Brett Favre on offense. Mike Sherman bought into this misconception and therefore as GM allowed defense and special teams to go south by never drafting or trading for a good enough supporting cast to win it all with Brett at the helm. What you were left with under Sherman was a good regular season record but a mediocre playoff team that constantly put Brett in catchup mode where they had to forsake the run and pass on nearly every down late in games. The results of those games have been mentioned ad nauseum, and Brett deserves some of the blame but certainly not all. In summary: Holmgren put Brett in a position to win; Sherman set him up to fail, and he often failed miserably.

Now, for the first time since Holmgren left, the Packers are a complete team again. TT has tried to fortify the defense and special teams while hiring Mike McCarthy, an offensive minded head coach that is experienced in designing and running a true West Coast Offense. The results so far have been nothing short of spectacular: Brett has been functioning beautifully within a well-designed offensive scheme with a defense that has been great at times but shaky of late due to injuries at key positions down the middle. Special teams have greatly improved as well. The 2007 Green Bay Packers are a more complete team than they ever were since Holmgren left and their 13-3 record is indicative of that.

People always complain about Brett's mindset against certain opponents or during playoff games as of late. "He's never won in Dallas." "He can't win in domes." "He's never won in Kansas City." "He's never beaten Denver in Denver when Bob Denver is singing a duet with John Denver while the police Denver boot his car." Etc. etc. etc. Maybe the big eunuch and other writers should try dealing with the present and not constantly harping on the past so much. The 2007 Packers are as explosive and exciting as any other team in the NFC. Green Bay has hung tough through some games everyone expected them to lose: at Denver, at Kansas City the following week, in domes, on their way to a 13-3 record and a first round bye in the playoffs. Why risk psyching out your QB or demoralizing his young teammates by printing the same, negative drivel over and over?

[FritzDontBlitz]

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080105/PKR01/801050399/1989

The postseason has seen Favre sometimes at a finest, but also a couple of times at his worst, though it's no coincidence he was at his best when the Packers were their most talented. Two of the best games of his career, for instance, were at San Francisco in the playoffs, in the divisional round in the 1995 season and in the NFC championship game in the 1997 season. He had a passer rating of 107.4 points and completed 73.3 percent of his passes in the Packers' upset win over the 49ers' in the 1995 playoffs, and his passer rating was 98.1 points in leading the Packers to a win in the NFC title game in the '97 playoffs.

In the 1995 and 1996 playoffs he played some of his best football. In 2005, when the Packers lost in the NFC championship at Dallas, his passer rating was 106.9 points (eight touchdown passes, two interceptions) in three games. In 1996, when the Packers won the Super Bowl, his passer rating was even better, 107.5 points (five touchdown passes, one interception). In the Packers' Super Bowl loss to Denver, he had three touchdown passes, one interception and a 91.0 passer rating.

His lowest playoff moments were in the 2001 season, when he threw six interceptions in a blowout loss at St. Louis, and the 2003 season in the infamous fourth-and-26 loss at Philadelphia, where he played a good game but heaved an inexplicable interception in overtime that set up the Eagles' game-winning field goal.

"I'm disappointed in some of those games," Favre said, "I'm very disappointed in the Denver game. I thought I played pretty good but not good enough. There's been games, not only in playoffs but in the regular season, where I didn't play as good and we did win. I'd like to think we would have or should have won more playoff games, which in turn lead to a chance at the Super Bowl at least. But I don't know if I'd have done anything much different. I'd have played and prepared the same way. You just have a tendency to remember those (losses) because of what they represent."

Thank god someone still reports with a decent perspective.

[cpk1994]

Favre can't pick up first downs with his feet? You don't think that little 21 yard naked bootleg against Detroit won't have teams thinking he might run now?

No. That was Brett's first run in like 9 years. Any coach who takes even one second to think about Brett running the football shouldn't be the the NFL.