Wahle Morgan cut by the Panthers

[HarveyWallbangers]

Wahle is still a solid player. For the right price, I'd bring him back. He has the ability to play in any system.

[RashanGary]

Wahle is still a solid player. For the right price, I'd bring him back. He has the ability to play in any system.

Everyone is talking about how good he still is. I don't know about you guys, but I havn't seen him play more than two games in the last three years.

[Pacopete4]

i think hes worth a shot with the right price, he is not extremely old and may have a few good years still in him. He fit well with the Packer organization which means he is a packer person.. id say give him a shot for a deal with incentives

[KYPack]

Fins made some cuts as well.

Not great playes, but interesting names for some depth.

QB Trent Green, wide receiver Marty Booker, tackle L.J. Shelton and defensive tackle Keith Traylor. The team also waived tackle Anthony Alabi, defensive tackle Anthony Bryant, tackle Marion Dukes, defensive tackle Marquay Love and tackle Joe Toledo.

The first major personnel move of the new Bill Parcells-led front office.

These are guys who are all played out, or just want to collect a paycheck. Big Bill don't screw around.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Bad blood between who?

He got paid. I'm sure he isn't upset. The org never disparaged him.

If wahle is smart, and i gotta believe so as he attended an academy, he knows football is a biz.

The right offer, to a team that could win it all....he could come back.

Yer right "bad blood" isn't the right term, but no way does TT sign Whale.

Anytime a GM makes a move, he won't do anything that makes that move look like a mistake. TT cut big Mike and won't bring him back.

Wahle did have the ass at the Packers. He felt he never got his due here and made comments to that affect. That was on Sherman's watch as GM. He'll wind up elsewhere, probaqbly at a good salary, but not a huge deal like he signed with Car.

Bringing him back doesn't look like a mistake, it proves his point. No different than getting a player to renogiate a contract.

TT signs him for what TT considers good dollar value and TT proves the point.

I'm not predicting he signs here, just don't agree with your logic.

If you wanna make a convincing argument, then you say that signing wahle shows tt made a mistake in his drafting of spitz or colledge.

[twoseven]

Wahle is still a solid player. For the right price, I'd bring him back. He has the ability to play in any system.

Everyone is talking about how good he still is. I don't know about you guys, but I havn't seen him play more than two games in the last three years.

But you have seen our guards play the last two years, that should be more than enough to spark an interest in what Wahle might have left in the tank.

[RashanGary]

I'd say there is more than enough evidence in TT's favor to where he shouldn't worry about having to prove he's right .

Wahle went there for a big contract, had one probowl year and since then has been injured and ineffective enough for the team that signed him to cut him. I odn't know if a non signing could have gone much better than that, well except for the Walker fiasco but still, TT comes out looking golden no matter what happens from this point.

[RashanGary]

But you have seen our guards play the last two years, that should be more than enough to spark an interest in what Wahle might have left in the tank.

I don't know if you watched the Giant and Patriot games, but our guards held up better than their probowl guards. Our Oline played very well down the strech.

I'm not calling our guys all pros, but they're not as bad as they are made out here IMO. The running game was good. The pass pro was good. What else do you want?

People remember that one year and two years ago when Colledge and Spitz were rookies. They really weren't bad this past year. They were a big part of one of the best teams in the league. They're all young and improving players too.

I'm not against Wahle, but I'm not for it just because our current guys are the worst in the NFL like some make it out to be. I don't think that's the case at all and I'd be willing to wager that even if we don't bring in anyone that we'll have a better interior line next year.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Fins made some cuts as well.

Not great playes, but interesting names for some depth.

QB Trent Green, wide receiver Marty Booker, tackle L.J. Shelton and defensive tackle Keith Traylor. The team also waived tackle Anthony Alabi, defensive tackle Anthony Bryant, tackle Marion Dukes, defensive tackle Marquay Love and tackle Joe Toledo.

The first major personnel move of the new Bill Parcells-led front office.

These are guys who are all played out, or just want to collect a paycheck. Big Bill don't screw around.

I'd take Booker over ruvell. LJ, 31, with the right contract would be a fine backup. Pretty wierd how he cut LJ and his backup Alabi!

Traylor gives you a big body.

Not claiming anybody is a world beater, but a couple could add depth and experience.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But you have seen our guards play the last two years, that should be more than enough to spark an interest in what Wahle might have left in the tank.

I don't know if you watched the Giant and Patriot games, but our guards held up better than their probowl guards. Our Oline played very well down the strech.

I'm not calling our guys all pros, but they're not as bad as they are made out here IMO. The running game was good. The pass pro was good. What else do you want?

People remember that one year and two years ago when Colledge and Spitz were rookies. They really weren't bad this past year. They were a big part of one of the best teams in the league. They're all young and improving players too.

I'm not against Wahle, but I'm not for it just because our current guys are the worst in the NFL like some make it out to be. I don't think that's the case at all and I'd be willing to wager that even if we don't bring in anyone that we'll have a better interior line next year.

Man, you shoulda been working for Pravda!!

Colledge was pretty darn poor for a significant portion of the season.

[Fred's Slacks]

If I remember correctly, Wahle indicated he felt like Sherman had his favorites and he wasn't one of them. He mentioned something about being the only starting olineman who wasn't on a game program that year and that he thought Rivera would probably get a new deal instead of him. I think his problem was with Sherman. I think Thompson's hands were tied and that Wahle would have no problem coming back. I don't know how good he is now, but if he's close to the level he was when he left, he's definitely worth a look.

[RashanGary]

Colledge had lapses but I didn't think he was horrible. Sometimes I think the memory of the year after our interior line broke up and the year Spitz and Colledge were rookies distorts our view. Everything that goes wrong is looked at as if it's about to fall apart.

I'm really not in a huge hurry to bring in a veteran OG. If anything, I want to keep the competition high with the young guys, bringing in more guys and letting the cream rise to the top. The position is OK, not good, not great, but OK enough to let it sort of naturally resolve itself by always bringing in the most and best young talent you can find.

[KYPack]

Colledge had lapses but I didn't think he was horrible. Sometimes I think the memory of the year after our interior line broke up and the year Spitz and Colledge were rookies distorts our view. Everything that goes wrong is looked at as if it's about to fall apart.

I'm really not in a huge hurry to bring in a veteran OG. If anything, I want to keep the competition high with the young guys, bringing in more guys and letting the cream rise to the top. The position is OK, not good, not great, but OK enough to let it sort of naturally resolve itself by always bringing in the most and best young talent you can find.

Yes, he was horrible.

he was benched after some particulaly bad play. He is OK at pass pro, but he is weak and doesn't have any shove. Member the opening play on Turkey Day. Shaun Rogers threw him into Favre, causing that opening fumble.

I think these guys will improve, but ALL of 'em got benched at one time or the other during the season.

They all sucked against the Giants (but were actually better than NE at pass pro) How about Spitz's "flying wedge phantom block" on that screen to Jackson.

[KYPack]

Bad blood between who?

He got paid. I'm sure he isn't upset. The org never disparaged him.

If wahle is smart, and i gotta believe so as he attended an academy, he knows football is a biz.

The right offer, to a team that could win it all....he could come back.

Yer right "bad blood" isn't the right term, but no way does TT sign Whale.

Anytime a GM makes a move, he won't do anything that makes that move look like a mistake. TT cut big Mike and won't bring him back.

Wahle did have the ass at the Packers. He felt he never got his due here and made comments to that affect. That was on Sherman's watch as GM. He'll wind up elsewhere, probaqbly at a good salary, but not a huge deal like he signed with Car.

Bringing him back doesn't look like a mistake, it proves his point. No different than getting a player to renogiate a contract.

TT signs him for what TT considers good dollar value and TT proves the point.

I'm not predicting he signs here, just don't agree with your logic.

If you wanna make a convincing argument, then you say that signing wahle shows tt made a mistake in his drafting of spitz or colledge.

My logic wasn't good enough for ya, eh TB?

It's hard to explain stuff to a crackhead.

That's my point on both counts. TT went in a different direction & cut Whale (he had to, we know, we know). Bringing back Wahle is a constant reminder of having to cut the boy and his troubles in finding a replacement. Even if Whale came in and played great, he'd be there bringing back the tough situation to everyone's memory.

Thompson don't want that shit and it won't happen. Mike will sign elsewhere.

[twoseven]

I don't know if you watched the Giant and Patriot games, but our guards held up better than their probowl guards. Our Oline played very well down the strech.

I'm not calling our guys all pros, but they're not as bad as they are made out here IMO. The running game was good. The pass pro was good. What else do you want?

People remember that one year and two years ago when Colledge and Spitz were rookies. They really weren't bad this past year. They were a big part of one of the best teams in the league. They're all young and improving players too.

I'm not against Wahle, but I'm not for it just because our current guys are the worst in the NFL like some make it out to be. I don't think that's the case at all and I'd be willing to wager that even if we don't bring in anyone that we'll have a better interior line next year.

Nobody is saying they are the worst in the league, but they are a glaring weakness on a team that cannot afford to go into 08' without significant improvement at their position if we want to go further into January.

Hanging your hat on our ability to not be destroyed by the Giants line is hardly convincing when judging our guards. The Patriots entire offensive line got their asses kicked all night long, how exactly could our line (or anyone else's for that matter) NOT have done better than the Pats OL did that game? If there was a QB rating of sorts for OL the Pats scored about a 27.3 in the SB. Not the best comparison to make a point.

That our tackles neutralized Strahan and Umi does not mean the Giants DTs were absent versus our guards. Grant gained 16 yards total and Brett's pocket was pushed straight back into him often that night. We had absolutely NO running game and failed miserably on screen attempts, did our guards have anything to do with this?

Our guards are undoubtedly our weakest link when you look at our team. Hopefully something more than just crossing our fingers and hoping they get better is on the dockett this offseason.