DRC - Are you buying the hype??

[twoseven]

QB is a special case where winning superbowls seems to count more than almost anything else. Not saying I agree with that..but, it seems to come up here alot.

I have yet to hear an argument in favor of a QB because he won a SB faster than another.

[KYPack]

If my aunt was my sister...blah blah blah.

..you'd be from Kentucky.

Now, now, 27.

Them, "Did your mom & dad meet at the family re-union"? jokes will get yer ass shot down here.

[twoseven]

If my aunt was my sister...blah blah blah.

..you'd be from Kentucky.

Now, now, 27.

Them, "Did your mom & dad meet at the family re-union"? jokes will get yer ass shot down here.

Hey man, your avatar is laughing about it right now.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

QB is a special case where winning superbowls seems to count more than almost anything else. Not saying I agree with that..but, it seems to come up here alot.

I have yet to hear an argument in favor of a QB because he won a SB faster than another.

Fine, then it is one to one. Still haven't outplayed.

More importantly, you brought them up. Stupid, their careers aren't over.

[Charles Woodson]

QB is a special case where winning superbowls seems to count more than almost anything else. Not saying I agree with that..but, it seems to come up here alot.

I have yet to hear an argument in favor of a QB because he won a SB faster than another.

Fine, then it is one to one. Still haven't outplayed.

More importantly, you brought them up. Stupid, their careers aren't over.

what do you mean that one hasnt outplayed the other yet?
comparing eli's first 4 years to peytons is a joke


And i brought them up not 27

Eli: comps:987 attmps 1,805 %54.7 yds 11,385 avg6.3 tds77 ints64**didnt play much his first year

Peyton:comps:1357 attmps:2226 %61 Yds:16,418 avg 7.4 tds:111 ints 81

the first 4 years of each of their carrers peyton destroyed eli, granted eli didnt even start his first year

interesting note that peyton reached 4,000 yards in his 2nd year while eli has yet to reach it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

QB is a special case where winning superbowls seems to count more than almost anything else. Not saying I agree with that..but, it seems to come up here alot.

I have yet to hear an argument in favor of a QB because he won a SB faster than another.

Fine, then it is one to one. Still haven't outplayed.

More importantly, you brought them up. Stupid, their careers aren't over.

what do you mean that one hasnt outplayed the other yet?
comparing eli's first 4 years to peytons is a joke


And i brought them up not 27

Eli: comps:987 attmps 1,805 %54.7 yds 11,385 avg6.3 tds77 ints64**didnt play much his first year

Peyton:comps:1357 attmps:2226 %61 Yds:16,418 avg 7.4 tds:111 ints 81

the first 4 years of each of their carrers peyton destroyed eli, granted eli didnt even start his first year

interesting note that peyton reached 4,000 yards in his 2nd year while eli has yet to reach it.

Destroyed is a strong term.

It is pretty useless comparing Peyton to Eli as the teams offenses aren't even close.

Both started with good/great rbs, but pretty much everyone would rather start with Faulk than Tiki.

Comparing yardage is also poor..i'd say the same thing for a number of QBs (big ben)..the colts go down the field way more than the giants.

Peyton calls his own plays, Eli doesn't. Coughlin is very conservative..clone of Parcells.

Anyone who watched the giants for any part of the year saw that outside of plax their recievers were really poor. toomer dropped tons of balls.

Couglin will never pass that much downfield, the gmen are a running team, eli is playing in the toughest market in the world, etc.

Rookie year: leading gmen receivers are toomer and hilliard. Things are bad when ike hilliard is your #2 receiver. No legit 3rd wr.

Next year: Hilliard gone, plax in. So, working with brand new receiver. Still no 3rd receiver.

3rd year: Plax, decling Toomer plays 8 games with 32 catches, still no 3rd wr. Tim Carter is 3rd WR..with 19 catches. C'mon, we all saw how bad favre looked when we had scrubs. You expect more from eli?

4th: Plax and toomer. Still no 3rd wr. Shockey lost at end of season.

And, no dominant back.

Peyton first year: 3 receivers around 50..1 more than eli. Some HOF named Harrison. Also two legit TEs..pollard and dilger.

2nd: Harrison 115 receptions. Stud rb in james. Still had pathon. Still had two TEs.

3rd: Dominant james. 3 WRs. Still two TEs.

4th: Harrison, wayne, pathon, wilkins, dilger, pollard.

If you wanna say peyton was better in their early years..fine. But, the point was comparing brothers..and i think it is best to do when their careers are over.

At this stage of the game, eli has answered a question that plagued him for 9 years..well, more if you wanna count 4 years at Tenn. Eli answered the bell, and that counts for something.

And, against the greatest team EVUH!!! :P

[Bretsky]

Shannon Sharpe is a good example.

Arguable at best, especially amongst Packer fans. If Sterling doesn't have the neck injury he probably goes on to be one of the best WRs in history. Shannon was very good, but I think Sterling's ceiling was much higher.

If my aunt was my sister...blah blah blah.

Look, my friend, we can play the "what if" game all you want. But, when people analyze careers you can only go with what is in the books.

Shannon had a better career. And, arguably SS revolutionized the TE position. From needing to be a blocker to being a receiver.

When I think of who revolutionized the TE position that way Kellen Winslow of the Chargers jumps out at me. But then there were some clods after him and SS continued on.

[Bretsky]

While using details effectively, I have a hard time thinking TB actually believes Eli is close to as good as Payton or will be for that matter at the end of their respective careers.

Eli had a nice run the second half of the season and in the playoffs. Before that he was nothing more than a decent QB.

[Charles Woodson]

If you wanna say peyton was better in their early years..fine. But, the point was comparing brothers..and i think it is best to do when their careers are over.

yes i still do think that peyton is better than eli, hell if eli had not won the sb, everyone would still be saying how bad he was.... i do agree with the fact that comparing them when their careers are over, but thats a hell of a long time away. And when comparing them, people will compare elis stats which includes his first 4 years.

i do acknoledge that peyton had a much better team overall, but saying that the giants had no dominant back is bull, Brandon jacobs was injured for the first few games and still hit 1000 yds. When he was hurt ward filled in and did a phenomenal job. Near the end of the season Bradshaw came in and swept up

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If you wanna say peyton was better in their early years..fine. But, the point was comparing brothers..and i think it is best to do when their careers are over.

yes i still do think that peyton is better than eli, hell if eli had not won the sb, everyone would still be saying how bad he was.... i do agree with the fact that comparing them when their careers are over, but thats a hell of a long time away. And when comparing them, people will compare elis stats which includes his first 4 years.

i do acknoledge that peyton had a much better team overall, but saying that the giants had no dominant back is bull, Brandon jacobs was injured for the first few games and still hit 1000 yds. When he was hurt ward filled in and did a phenomenal job. Near the end of the season Bradshaw came in and swept up

If 1000 yards is dominant to you, fine. But, far from it for me.

Jacobs is a nice back, and they have complementary backs. But, none of them compare to Faulk or edge in his prime. Jacobs barely catches the ball.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

While using details effectively, I have a hard time thinking TB actually believes Eli is close to as good as Payton or will be for that matter at the end of their respective careers.

Eli had a nice run the second half of the season and in the playoffs. Before that he was nothing more than a decent QB.

B,

I watched Eli a lot in college...Ty lived in the south before relocating his box to the desert. I have tremendous respect for eli..he went to his father's alma mater...lot of guts to do that. Lot of guts to lead an undermanned squad against better talent. Witness their decline after he left.

Ty watched alot of Peyton at UT..could not win the big game.

Ty respects both QBs, but Ty definitely thinks eli is mentally tougher. Ty thinks eli would do just fine with indys talent. Ty isn't so sure about peyton in NYC. Nor with the talent eli had. And, with a ball buster like coughlin.

[Noodle]

Now I'm curious, can anyone come up with a younger brother that outplayed the older one?

Vince DiMaggio (older) v. Joe DiMaggio (better)

[The Leaper]

Ty respects both QBs, but Ty definitely thinks eli is mentally tougher. Ty thinks eli would do just fine with indys talent. Ty isn't so sure about peyton in NYC. Nor with the talent eli had. And, with a ball buster like coughlin.

I'm not sure about the mental toughness part, as Eli never once looked mentally tough prior to this postseason. He did grow up big time during this season, but he was a deer in headlights prior to this.

I'm not sure there is any argument as to who is the better QB overall. Peyton's numbers are HOF caliber...Eli's are not. Both rode teams to SB wins on the strength of a great defense...although I think Eli did much more to help his team on the SB run than Peyton did.

Does one SB run make Eli a better overall QB? I don't think so. If I had to choose between them, I'd take Peyton every time...even now.

[oregonpackfan]

I agree that Peyton is the proven winner. Eli had a tremendous second half of the season. To be in Peyton's upper echelon, Eli is going to have to perform at this current level for the next 5 years, IMO.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty respects both QBs, but Ty definitely thinks eli is mentally tougher. Ty thinks eli would do just fine with indys talent. Ty isn't so sure about peyton in NYC. Nor with the talent eli had. And, with a ball buster like coughlin.

I'm not sure about the mental toughness part, as Eli never once looked mentally tough prior to this postseason. He did grow up big time during this season, but he was a deer in headlights prior to this.

I'm not sure there is any argument as to who is the better QB overall. Peyton's numbers are HOF caliber...Eli's are not. Both rode teams to SB wins on the strength of a great defense...although I think Eli did much more to help his team on the SB run than Peyton did.

Does one SB run make Eli a better overall QB? I don't think so. If I had to choose between them, I'd take Peyton every time...even now.

I think he did. Did you ever hear him complain about the media or the coach. Or about his fellow players?

this year, when Tiki called him out, he responded.

Peyton was never considered mentally tough all the way back to college. Thus the "peyton manning face."

There is no doubt that Peyton is the better QB at the moment, but as i have said, let's wait until the careers are over.