Williams to be Traded

[Patler]

From JSO:

Once Williams is traded, the $6.363 million amount will be added to the team's salary cap, giving them roughly $24 million of room.

So I'm assuming that this is dead money GB carries this year for trading a franchised player. The mechanics are probably something like: CW signs the franchise tender, GB trades CW, CLE tears up the contract, and resigns to the long term. Not sure though.

Either way, I thought CW was a good player, but didn't show enough to me to be a starter over Jolly or Jenkins. Maybe he'd continue to develop as a payer and beat them out for a starter spot, but I didn't see it. I did see him as an important role/platoon player. It will be up to the rest of the DL to pick up the slack, and up to TT to replenish the talent. Getting a R2 is a good deal here.

I think JSO's wording is a bit confusing. The $6.3 million is added back to their available cap dollars. Williams will count nothing against the cap if it happens as described.

[SkinBasket]

I believe they get the 6.3 MIL put right back onto their cap

I think that's right too. The JSO snippet was worded like shit and made it sound like the money was counting against the cap instead of being removed from it.

[Patler]

From JSO:

Once Williams is traded, the $6.363 million amount will be added to the team's salary cap, giving them roughly $24 million of room.

So I'm assuming that this is dead money GB carries this year for trading a franchised player. The mechanics are probably something like: CW signs the franchise tender, GB trades CW, CLE tears up the contract, and resigns to the long term. Not sure though.

Either way, I thought CW was a good player, but didn't show enough to me to be a starter over Jolly or Jenkins. Maybe he'd continue to develop as a payer and beat them out for a starter spot, but I didn't see it. I did see him as an important role/platoon player. It will be up to the rest of the DL to pick up the slack, and up to TT to replenish the talent. Getting a R2 is a good deal here.

Why not sign and trade? I guess it isn't the same as basketball.

He will sign the franchise tender, which is transferred to Cleveland, and then cancelled with a new contract signed.

If he signed the new deal with the Packers, the entire signing bonus would count against Green Bay. Only the salary and future bonuses transfer to the new team.

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It is for a second rounder

[CaliforniaCheez]

He will sign the franchise tender, which is transferred to Cleveland, and then cancelled with a new contract signed.

If he signed the new deal with the Packers, the entire signing bonus would count against Green Bay. Only the salary and future bonuses transfer to the new team.

Not exactly. A franchised player cannot be traded. The contract extension has to be signed with Green Bay.

As a practical matter, The Browns will hammer out the agreement with Williams and Cleveland will fax it to the Packers which will officially write it up for Williamson signature. Then the trade with the Browns will take place.

The signing bonus is a sensitive issue. I expect it to be called a roster bonus or be spread over the contract or otherwise absorbed by the Browns without being a Packer problem. We should not worry too much. Professionals are handling it.

[Guiness]

Anybody want to bet that one of our second rounders turns into a 3rd and 4th rounder ?

Only the first two rounds are on day one; I already envision TT trading down with one of those picks to regroup strategy wise day 2

I'm ready for the draft now; bring it on

Ok, this is OT, but I'm not getting why the NFL has moved round 3 to day 2.

They changed the time limit for picks from 15 to 10, right? So that should speed things up? Why then move the 3rd round?

I'm guessing because they wanted a later start to move the draft closer to prime time? I think it kind of sucks for those players taken in the 3rd round, because they're no longer 'first day picks'.

[Patler]

He will sign the franchise tender, which is transferred to Cleveland, and then cancelled with a new contract signed.

If he signed the new deal with the Packers, the entire signing bonus would count against Green Bay. Only the salary and future bonuses transfer to the new team.

Not exactly. A franchised player cannot be traded. The contract extension has to be signed with Green Bay.

As a practical matter, The Browns will hammer out the agreement with Williams and Cleveland will fax it to the Packers which will officially write it up -for Williamson signature. Then the trade with the Browns will take place.

The signing bonus is a sensitive issue. I expect it to be called a roster bonus or be spread over the contract or otherwise absorbed by the Browns without being a Packer problem. We should not worry too much. Professionals are handling it.

I believe, but am not positive, that the restriction is only that they can not trade a franchised player who has not yet signed the tender offer. Many players wait all summer to sign it, so can not be traded in the mean time. (A negative for the player not signing the tender is that it can be withdrawn if not signed.) I looked the CBA over quickly and couldn't find anything directly on point. If you know of it and can direct me to it I would appreciate it. I like to be accurate on the details, and am not sure about this one at all.


That's not to say that they couldn't do it the way you suggested, so long as everyone follows through with their promises made before the papers are signed. There are a lot of competing interests:

-the player wants a bonus immediately
-the player wants control over where he goes to the extent he can
-the original team doesn't want to be stuck for bonus money now
-the original team doesn't want to get stuck for a roster bonus later if the contract is signed and then the trade not consummated
-the acquiring team wants to know that they have a long term deal, and not a situation where they trade for the guy, give something up, then can't sign him or he refuses.

The league made some changes a while ago to facilitate some situation like that, including not requiring a team to have cap room for a player they sign and trade away on the same day. That facilitates the sign and trade scenarios that you suggested.

[Partial]

Anybody want to bet that one of our second rounders turns into a 3rd and 4th rounder ?

Only the first two rounds are on day one; I already envision TT trading down with one of those picks to regroup strategy wise day 2

I'm ready for the draft now; bring it on

Ok, this is OT, but I'm not getting why the NFL has moved round 3 to day 2.

They changed the time limit for picks from 15 to 10, right? So that should speed things up? Why then move the 3rd round?

I'm guessing because they wanted a later start to move the draft closer to prime time? I think it kind of sucks for those players taken in the 3rd round, because they're no longer 'first day picks'.

It just makes the draft deeper with lots of second day talent

That's how it works right?

[Guiness]

LOCAL ESPN RADIO IS REPORTING THE DEAL MIGHT BE FOR A 3RD

I still think that would be a solid deal. Not great, but solid. 2nd round would be a great deal.

Whether it's a 2nd or 3rd next year that player will probably not be as valuable as Williams to Green Bay. That being said, I can live with a late 2nd for that sacrifice. Just a 3rd would not sit well with me.

It is still better than a compensatory next year.

I have to disagree. I would rather have Williams this year and a compensatory next year than a 3rd this year. With the cap room we have, the money's pretty much a wash, IMO.

[Guiness]

I like to be accurate on the details, and am not sure about this one at all.

I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!
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[snip]

-the original team doesn't want to get stuck for a roster bonus later if the contract is signed and then the trade not consummated.

Yes, this is an interesting aspect...with stuff like physicals, etc. Especially for a DT.

The league made some changes a while ago to facilitate some situation like that, including not requiring a team to have cap room for a player they sign and trade away on the same day. That facilitates the sign and trade scenarios that you suggested.

Didn't know this. Interesting, and gives some flexibility, but unless the NFL allows the xfer responsability of the signing bonus, I don't see how it's useful. Better minds than mine are at work on it though, I'm sure!

[CaliforniaCheez]

I'm not trying to argue with anyone and there are many details we will learn later. I am adamant on two points. The franchised player cannot be traded.
So Williams extension must be signed with Green Bay prior to the trade.

The signing bonus may not be due to the player until say 30 days after signing etc so the Packers will not pay or take a cap hit unless that is part of what is traded for the pick. It doesn't have to be.

I don't think it matters in this case if Williams signs the franchise tender or not before the extension. If it were a long drawn out process it would.

[Patler]

I am adamant on two points. The franchised player cannot be traded.
So Williams extension must be signed with Green Bay prior to the trade.

Just asking how you know this. I'm not arguing either, I just want to know, because everything I have read says they can't trade a franchised player who has not signed the tender. But as I said, I did not find an answer in the CBA, and until I do I realize the snipets elsewhere can be, and often are inaccurate.

Why are you so sure about this?

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i'm with patler

thats also my understanding. if the guy signes his tender, then he can be traded. that is then his contract, until the new team redoes it

[LL2]

Now the Packers have 3 picks in the top 60 picks. I'm excited about the deal with Cleveland. If TT wanted to move into the top 10 by trading the 1st and one of the 2nd rounders he could. The Packers can get a playmaker or two out of this draft and add depth. TT is the man!

[RashanGary]

Acctually, according to the trade chart the Packers would be able to move their #1 and two #2's to move up to pick #11.