JAY GLAZER reports FAVRE is DONE

[billy_oliver880]

Thank you Brett for making me the packer fan I am today.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Exactly. People here think it is just physical that stops you. Wrong it is the emotional and mental that stops you.

The mental decision relating to Favre revolved around WHY he should come back. He doesn't feel the risk (or grind) will outweigh the reward.

In terms of doing the physical aspects of preparation...Favre could still do it.

In terms of meeting the mental hurdles...Favre could still do it IF he felt there was a compelling reason to return.

In 2007, there was a compelling reason...records and a validation of a career to those who doubted him.

In 2008, there apparently isn't much of a reason to come back...other than winning a Super Bowl, which Favre clearly views as a long shot by his comments.

You are making a HUGE leap.

At this stage he isn't even thinking about the season. It is then mental of facing the hurdle of preparation, of being disciplined, etc.

You just don't seem to get it that it isn't work hard vs. reward situation.

He is coming off a 13-3 season..everything points to a good/great season..yet, he cant face it...because it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL RESULT. It is the journey he doesn't want to face.

It is more like depression. No matter how much someone tells you life is good...all you can do is see the darkness..lie in bed. It wouldn't matter if Scarlett Jo wanted you and you had a great job...that doesn't change the peprception.

He is burned out. Top athletes burn out all the time..and when they are at the top of their game.

[Tarlam!]

Big Cry. Cheers Mate. I am glad I saw you play. Chers, Mate. Sob.

[The Leaper]

You just don't seem to get it that it isn't work hard vs. reward situation.

Favre basically said as much. Have you read his comments.

Apparently YOU don't get it.

[Brando19]

Wow...this is a sad, sad, sad day. I wanted him to announce that he was returning! Not retiring! This sucks. Now I want for him to announce he's returning to the Packers!
I wonder if TT would take Favre back a month from now if he wanted to return?

This is a sad day.

[FritzDontBlitz]

I am waiting for the Reggie White "I changed my mind" moment myself.

[Sparkey]

Any one here under the age of 30 may not understand how depressing it is to go out and play flag football with the 20-year-olds from the office, see a sweet pass heading to the corner of the end-zone just for you, and then have your legs simply not get you there the way they once would have.

Fair enough, but how does that apply? The old dog had his best season in years and proved he was still one of the best in the business if not THE best.

None of us can know how much work, both physically and mentally, that it took to get himself prepared to play at that level. Like Favre said, if he comes back and does not win a SB, then it was not worth it and what are the odds of him duplicating or improving on his 2007 numbers.

Plus, I still remember that look in the NFC Championshio game. I know the cold hits me like a ton of bricks now at the age of 41 instead of back in my twenties when I played pickup basketball games outside in shorts and a T in February when it was 10 degrees outside and was warm.

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WSSP is having all day coverage.

http://www.sportsradio1250.com/

go there and listen live. They have had Levens, Freeman, Wolf, Big Gilbert, etc on today. They will certainly have more to come as well.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You just don't seem to get it that it isn't work hard vs. reward situation.

Favre basically said as much. Have you read his comments.

Apparently YOU don't get it.

Really?

"I know I can still play, but it's like I told my wife, I'm just tired mentally. I'm just tired,"

What part of that voicemail don't YOU understand.

The part where you are confusing is the word succesfull. Success is the criteria where he measures himself, but that doesn't mean it is the reason he is retiring.

But, if you had read my post about burnout then you would realize everything he is saying is part of burnout. He is displaying the classic version..his standards are so high, blah, blah blah...which means he can't enjoy the game.

Go back to page 13 or 14 and read the stuff from the Doctor i posted.

[The Leaper]

"If I felt like coming back -- and Deanna (his wife) and I talked about this -- the only way for me to be successful would be to win a Super Bowl. To go to the Super Bowl and lose, would almost be worse than anything else. Anything less than a Super Bowl win would be unsuccessful."

Bottom line...that has NOTHING to do with being mentally burned out, and everything to do with recognizing there is nothing left to prove and no reason to put in the risk (or grind).

He is unwilling to prep if he isn't guaranteed success...and success to him at this point is winning the Super Bowl. He has no more records to break. He has no more things to prove.

That isn't mental burnout where you are depressed and don't want to get out of bed...as YOU suggest. He's clearly saying that he would come back if he thought it would be worth it...thus the "knowing he can still play" comment, but that in his opinion right now, it isn't worth it.

Thus...risk vs. reward.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

"If I felt like coming back -- and Deanna (his wife) and I talked about this -- the only way for me to be successful would be to win a Super Bowl. To go to the Super Bowl and lose, would almost be worse than anything else. Anything less than a Super Bowl win would be unsuccessful."

Bottom line...that has NOTHING to do with being mentally burned out, and everything to do with recognizing there is nothing left to prove and no reason to put in the risk (or grind).

He is unwilling to prep if he isn't guaranteed success...and success to him at this point is winning the Super Bowl. He has no more records to break. He has no more things to prove.

That isn't mental burnout where you are depressed and don't want to get out of bed...as YOU suggest. He's clearly saying that he would come back if he thought it would be worth it...thus the "knowing he can still play" comment, but that in his opinion right now, it isn't worth it.

Thus...risk vs. reward.

Oh, so you ignore the quote that says he is mentally tired.

Again, you are wrong. the whole point of his "success" proves his burnout.

Here is from a doctor:

Description of Burnout
Burnout in sport is often defined as physical, emotional and mental exhaustion, but it is also described as the distress resulting from such exhaustion. It's a condition in which the athlete experiences stress over an extended period of time resulting in reduced motivation and interest in the activity. In short, you're worn out, tired of the sport, and don't ever want to see another racket, bat, or helmet again!

How could burnout possibly occur to individuals so committed to their sport, so excited by the thrill of victory, and so focused on continual achievement? Well, these positive traits of commitment and desire are often the very cause of the problem. Individuals who take their sport less seriously rarely experience burnout, but they never maximize their performance either. If you have experienced burnout, start by giving yourself credit that you care.

Causes and Solutions to Reverse the Onset of Burnout
There are many causes of burnout and it usually develops slowly over time rather than suddenly. Let's briefly examine three of the most common causes of burnout with solutions to reverse the onset of burnout. You may need to combine these solutions to meet your specific needs. If you are completely exhausted mentally and physically, and have already reached burnout, the only real solution is to take time off from your sport. Return to sport when you are ready again, with greater knowledge to avoid becoming another victim of burnout.

Cause: Pressure to Win
Whether you're struggling to break top 10 in the tennis world or just fighting to remain on your high school rugby team, too much pressure to win (from others or self-imposed) can be extremely frustrating when the results are not coming as fast as you expect. It's a vicious circle in that your ambition and drive to succeed actually causes your performance to decline. You eventually throw in the towel rather than patiently discovering the key to improvement.

Cause: Overworked and Lacking Fun
Whenever the fun of sport vanishes for an extended period of time, you're announcing your candidacy for burnout. You may become too serious or too intense about performing well and the whole point of the activity is lost. You spend all your time working on your sport and no time is left to live. Sport at any level should be fun, or performance will decline and burnout becomes more likely.

[GrnBay007]

Still can't believe it....just doesn't seem real.

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There is some really good content on WSSP today. Lots of good interviews.

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Harlan gives a great interview and makes a great point.

All 5 big guys responsible for the resurgence of the Packers are gone now. Harlan, Wolfe, Holmgren, Favre, White

[GrnBay007]

All 5 big guys responsible for the resurgence of the Packers are gone now. Harlan, Wolfe, Holmgren, Favre, White