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**The Leaper** · 03-06-2008, 02:34 PM

Re: "Closure", or "Don't blame Thompson"

Originally posted by PackerBlues

If anything, today is the real start to Thompson's tenure.

If you aren't smart enough to recognize all the work Thompson has done to this point to lay the foundation for "life after Favre", it is your own dumb fault. Thompson has been successful already, even though Favre has only been retired for 2 days. His tenure started the day he was hired...arguing otherwise is kind of crazy IMO.

If what you meant to say is that Thompson's legacy will ultimately be defined by the success of the team going forward, then I can agree with you.

**PackerBlues** · 03-06-2008, 02:38 PM

different way of wording it, same meaning. I am not looking for an argument today.

**Lurker64** · 03-06-2008, 02:46 PM

I'm just curious as to why you wanted to blame someone before you had all the details.

I heard "Brett Favre is retiring from football, because he says he's 'mentally tired' " and I also heard a lot of speculation about whether or not this was accurate, and whether really he wasn't coming back because of other things. I figured that Brett Favre's general candidness and authenticity with the Packers has at the very least earned him the benefit of the doubt, so I didn't even think to interpret the "mentally tired" comments as falsehoods. At the very least, I would wait until I heard it from the horse's mouth before jumping to conclusions because I'm not actually privy to any of the behind the scenes stuff here.

Perhaps you should take this as a lesson to not jump to conclusions in absence of facts, even in an emotionally charged situation. "A happened, then B happened, so therefore A caused B" is one of the most common nonformal logical fallacies (it's a "Post hoc ergo popter hoc fallacy", for those keeping score at home.) It also seems to be particularly common among sports fans. Just remember, correlation is not causation.

**ND72** · 03-06-2008, 02:52 PM

Re: "Closure", or "Don't blame Thompson"

Originally posted by The Leaper

Originally posted by PackerBlues

If anything, today is the real start to Thompson's tenure.

If you aren't smart enough to recognize all the work Thompson has done to this point to lay the foundation for "life after Favre", it is your own dumb fault. Thompson has been successful already, even though Favre has only been retired for 2 days. His tenure started the day he was hired...arguing otherwise is kind of crazy IMO.

If what you meant to say is that Thompson's legacy will ultimately be defined by the success of the team going forward, then I can agree with you.

Actually, I "KINDOF" agree with PackerBlues...Aaron Rodgers is at least a big chunk of how people will view Teddy. Thompson has laid down, in my opinion, and amazing railway, we just gotta see if the Engine will get us somewhere.

**billy_oliver880** · 03-06-2008, 02:56 PM

You know what they say...Defense wins championships.

**The Leaper** · 03-06-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Lurker64

Perhaps you should take this as a lesson to not jump to conclusions in absence of facts, even in an emotionally charged situation.

My disappointment was that Favre did not handle this in a way that prevented any need for speculation. He didn't issue an official statement or address the public in any official way until today...more than 48 hours after the first reports of his retirement became public. Favre knew this decision would cause a lot of emotion, yet he was the one who decided to go hide after he made it. This simply was not a decision you could make and then go crawl under a rock and wish it all went away.

Favre should have been the one telling his fans why he made the decision in the first place, not Bus Cook, Ted Thompson or Scott Favre.

**The Leaper** · 03-06-2008, 02:59 PM

Re: "Closure", or "Don't blame Thompson"

Originally posted by ND72

Actually, I "KINDOF" agree with PackerBlues...Aaron Rodgers is at least a big chunk of how people will view Teddy. Thompson has laid down, in my opinion, and amazing railway, we just gotta see if the Engine will get us somewhere.

The whole basis of Thompson's approach is to make it so whoever replaced Favre did not have to be the engine that will get us somewhere. Rather than load up weapons for Favre, Thompson has built the defense and increased the depth on the roster. He's already done what is necessary for the team to be successful after Favre.

You won't replace Favre with someone else that can do what he did...guys like him come to a franchise once every 50 years if you are lucky. If Rodgers fails, Thompson will have a chance to find someone else who can succeed because of the strength he has built in other areas of the roster. His success isn't tied to Rodgers.

**red** · 03-06-2008, 03:03 PM

i also kind of agree with packerblues

almost any and all of the success that this team has managed this last year was attributed to favre not TT, by the national media.

if they were to win another superbowl, it would have been because of #4

now the biggest name in the organization is gone, it is now 100% TT's team, he runs things, he builds the team, he does things his way

now with favre gone, there is no doubt what so ever who the #1 in town is

this is now TT's team

**The Leaper** · 03-06-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by red

now the biggest name in the organization is gone, it is now 100% TT's team, he runs things, he builds the team, he does things his way

It was 100% TT's team in 2005, 2006 and 2007...in case you hadn't noticed. Claiming he only gets credit for what happens from here out is ridiculous IMO, although I agree his ultimate legacy will be based on how well he manages the team through the loss of a legendary QB...because most teams/GMs have failed in the face of that challenge.

**SkinBasket** · 03-06-2008, 03:35 PM

It's just rather convenient how Blues wants to forget the past work Thompson's done given that he's been completely off base about most of it. But now he has a brave new world filled with limitless possibilities to be wrong about. Exciting times.

BTW, congrats on getting over your self inflicted mental anguish Blues.

**woodbuck27** · 03-06-2008, 03:42 PM

Re: "Closure", or "Don't blame Thompson"

Originally posted by The Leaper

Originally posted by PackerBlues

If anything, today is the real start to Thompson's tenure.

If you aren't smart enough to recognize all the work Thompson has done to this point to lay the foundation for "life after Favre", it is your own dumb fault. Thompson has been successful already, even though Favre has only been retired for 2 days. His tenure started the day he was hired...arguing otherwise is kind of crazy IMO.

If what you meant to say is that Thompson's legacy will ultimately be defined by the success of the team going forward, then I can agree with you.

FUCK!

Lighten up please. and read the Packer fans post before you kick him in the nuts.

JAYSUS!!

**woodbuck27** · 03-06-2008, 03:52 PM

Re: "Closure", or "Don't blame Thompson"

Originally posted by PackerBlues

Hearing Brett Favre say that he is retiring, and that it did not have anything to do with Thompson's lack of activity in Free Agency gave me a sense of Closure to this whole thing.

If anything, today is the real start to Thompson's tenure. How the Packers move on without Brett Favre will be the real testament as to what kind of a job Thompson is doing in GB.

Go ahead and bash me for saying that, or toss out your theory about how I will be happy if Thompson fails, just so I can say "I told you so." It's all Bullshit.

I have no more like or dislike for Thompson than I do for any other GM in the league. If I disagree with his methods, I will voice my opinions about it. I root for the Packers, and what I see from them on the football field, not for the white haired paper pusher sitting in his office up high.

With that being said,

I really hope that the young guys who call themselves Packer fans understand what was lost when Favre retired. Prior to the retirement press conference, ESPN pointed out that in the 16 years before Brett Favre came to GB, the Packers only had one season with 10 wins, and only one playoff appearance. Think about that. 16 years. You do not need me to quote to you how great the Packers have been during the 16 years that we have been lucky enough to have Favre at QB, because if you did..........I guess you wouldn't be much of a Packer fan anyway.

Heres to wishing Brett Favre nothing but the best in whatever the future holds for him and his family. Cheers.

This is a very honest and fair post.

I feel somewhat the same but it's not my time or place to go just there.

This certainly isn't a whole lot about Ted Thompson one way or the other. This is about Packer fans and losing OUR beloved QB BRETT FAVRE.Certainly I doubt we'll be fortunate enough to ever see another like him again in our lifetimes.

I do believe most Packer fans would agree with that.

BRETT FAVRE = TRULY GREAT!

**PackerBlues** · 03-06-2008, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by SkinBasket

BTW, congrats on getting over your self inflicted mental anguish Blues.

Well golly, thanks skin. Coming from you, that means absolutely nothing to me, as do your opinions, and you yourself.

There have obviously been a few people who understand what I was trying to say in my post, but then there are shitheads like you, who even on a day like today, cannot help but to act like an ass and take enjoyment in other peoples misery. You truly are a pathetic little child.

**Freak Out** · 03-06-2008, 04:57 PM

Re: "Closure", or "Don't blame Thompson"

Originally posted by PackerBlues

Prior to the retirement press conference, ESPN pointed out that in the 16 years before Brett Favre came to GB, the Packers only had one season with 10 wins, and only one playoff appearance. Think about that. 16 years.

Many of use were watching the Packers those 16 years...we sure as fuck don't need ESPN to tell us how nice it was with #4 at QB.

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