"Closure", or "Don't blame Thompson"

[cpk1994]

Re: "Closure", or "Don't blame Thompson"

Prior to the retirement press conference, ESPN pointed out that in the 16 years before Brett Favre came to GB, the Packers only had one season with 10 wins, and only one playoff appearance. Think about that. 16 years.

Many of use were watching the Packers those 16 years...we sure as fuck don't need ESPN to tell us how nice it was with #4 at QB.

YOu are aware that ESPN airs outside of Green Bay don't you?

[Freak Out]

Re: "Closure", or "Don't blame Thompson"

Prior to the retirement press conference, ESPN pointed out that in the 16 years before Brett Favre came to GB, the Packers only had one season with 10 wins, and only one playoff appearance. Think about that. 16 years.

Many of use were watching the Packers those 16 years...we sure as fuck don't need ESPN to tell us how nice it was with #4 at QB.

YOu are aware that ESPN airs outside of Green Bay don't you?

Considering I live in Alaska yes.....

[RashanGary]

I agree that Thompsons most unique praise can only come now. His first couple years he was reshaping Shermans teams. He's shown he can build a winner if he has a great QB. Now we find out if he's one of the special GM's that can build a competitor without a great QB. Time will tell.

[b bulldog]

Time will also tell if ARod can be great, average or pathetic

[RashanGary]

Time will also tell if ARod can be great, average or pathetic

I don't care so much about Arod. The future of the Packers doesn't rest on his shoulders. McCarthy adn TT have to keep bringing guys in till one sticks. Arod is just the first chance. I agree that time will tell, but I don't think its accurate to say he has to succeed or the Packers are done. They might be done until they find one, but I think the problem can be solved. everywhere Parcellls went he found a way to get a good QB. If you're a good personal guy you'll find a way.

[RashanGary]

I think Brett did the right thing by squashing all of the Thompson hate. Somebody within the Packers obviously told him what was up and what a nightmare liars like McGinn were starting to create.

[Bretsky]

I think Brett did the right thing by squashing all of the Thompson hate. Somebody within the Packers obviously told him what was up and what a nightmare liars like McGinn were starting to create.

Or he was smart enough to go out with class with the company line and not create more drama. Who really knows. I don't buy that McGinn just pulls stuff out of his sleeve; IMO he's speaking with more people than we can imagine inside and outside of the orgnaization and he would not write things if he didn't have reason to believe them. He's also a controversial dude and part of his job is to be interesting.....which sometimes involves adding to drama or bringing it up.

[RashanGary]

Yeah, that whole "It has nothing to do Ted or Mike or anything with the organization and that's coming from my heart" part was just a lie and when Brett says something comes from his heart it really means he's just spewing the company line.

Please, Bretsky. McGinn is a liar. I am convinced that you CANNOT trust the news from JS after the last couple months.

[Bretsky]

Yeah, that whole "It has nothing to do Ted or Mike or anything with the organization and that's coming from my heart" part was just a lie and when Brett says something comes from his heart it really means he's just spewing the company line.

Please, Bretsky. McGinn is a liar.

McGinn is accountable with his bosses as well.....just like anybody else would be. If he's flat out lying without evidence the guy will get canned.
He has not become what he is by reporting untruths all the time. Don't you think people question his integrity all the time and he has to explain his sources ? We don't know the half of information Bob McGinn has privy to.

[RashanGary]

That's why credible journelists cite thier sources and really credible ones get two sources before they make claims or distort the truth.


With the advent of the internet, the press conferences are available to all of us. I watch them all and I see McGinn blatantly skewing what is said to fit a more sexy story or to fit what he wants to believe.

The press gazette isn't the most intriguing read, but it's honest. They don't lie to sell papers. I'm getting to the point where I don't need the opinion of some dufus writer. I'd rather read what happened and make my own opinion. McGinn is good with draft coverage, but he's developing a real problem with lying. As long as people know they're not reading an honest paper, that is fine. It's like buying a tabloid sports paper full of speculation that is twisted to appear as fact.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well it would be tough to call McGinn a liar when Bus Cook, Favre's agent said that Brett wasn't feeling the love.

[KYPack]

BTW, congrats on getting over your self inflicted mental anguish Blues.

Well golly, thanks skin. Coming from you, that means absolutely nothing to me, as do your opinions, and you yourself.

There have obviously been a few people who understand what I was trying to say in my post, but then there are shitheads like you, who even on a day like today, cannot help but to act like an ass and take enjoyment in other peoples misery. You truly are a pathetic little child.

No Kumbaya moment, eh boys?

[highlander]

Favre: No one could have changed my mind to come back

By Tom Pelissero
tpelisse@greenbaypressgazette.com

Brett Favre said today he feels he’s leaving the NFL on his own terms and there’s nothing anyone in the Green Bay Packers organization could have done to change his mind.


“I've given everything I could possibly give to this organization, to the game of football, and I don't think I have anything left to give,” Favre said in a media conference announcing his retirement, which became public Tuesday. “I know I can play, but I don't think I want to."

Favre, who holds all of the NFL’s major passing records, repeatedly said he has no regrets and believes he made the right decision.

"I think last year, the year before, I was tired, and it took awhile, but I came back,” he said. “Something told me this time not to come back. It took awhile once again, once again I wonder if it was the right decision. But I think in my situation — and I had this conversation with Mike (McCarthy and Ted (Thompson) — it's a unique situation in that in 17 years I had one of the better seasons in my career, the team had a great year, everything seems to be going great, the team wants me back, I still can play, for the most part everyone would think I would be back, would want me back. That's a unique situation.

“There's no guarantees next year, personally and as a team, and I'm well aware of that. It's a tough business. Last year and the year before I questioned whether I should come back because I didn't play at a high enough level. ... It really, to me and (his wife) Deanna, was more noticeable, the stress part of it. It's demanding. It always has been, but I think as I've gotten older, I'm much more aware of that."

Favre was choked up just seconds into the more than hourlong press conference, but for the most part was composed. He flew to Green Bay from Mississippi this morning and admitted it’s “a tough day.”

Asked what he plans to do with his future, Favre responded simply, “Nothing.”

“Will I find something to do that's equal to throwing a touchdown pass at Lambeau Field? I doubt it,” he said. “I'm not even going to try, and as I said earlier, there really isn't a plan. I know that this is, this place, and what it's meant to my career, is really special, and to think I can find something to replace that and feel the same — I'm not a fool. ... I'm not even going to try. But life goes on. I will do something, whatever it may be.”

He said he believes the Packers are “close” to being a Super Bowl team but said he doesn’t plan to be involved in any formal capacity during the 2008 season.

His wife, Deanna, as well as Mike McCarthy, Ted Thompson and other members of the Packers organization were in attendance.

[RashanGary]

I meant to post this here

A master of concealing his feelings, Thompson struck all the proper chords Tuesday. But when the general manager said he hadn't tried to persuade Favre, let alone beg him, to play another season, it spoke volumes about the dynamics of their relationship.

Later on after this interview, Wolf had a phone conference with the media. They asked Wolf if he would have tried to convince Brett to stay. Wolf said he would never do that, that a player could make his own choice about his life.



So Thompson says he didn't try to convince Brett to stay and it speaks volumes about their relationship but another GM who is known to have a great relationship with Brett says he wouldn't do it either. I guess I don't understand how McGinn would claim that speaks volumes about their relationship unless he just felt like twisting reality to sell papers.

Just know when you pick up that paper that you are not getting what happened, you are getting the drama padded view of what happened as told by someone who makes money on stirring the pot.

[RashanGary]

The Packers own the 30th pick in a draft that is nine weeks off. If Brett Favre returns, it's reasonable to think Thompson might like to trade up in the first round for a player that could offer more to a team seeking a Super Bowl appearance before their aging quarterback loses his stinger.

However, Thompson has never displayed much enthusiasm for a win-now approach.

He also wrote this about Thompson not wanting to win now, but in the same press conference Thompson said he takes the best player and seeks the most value because it helps the team win the most games now and later. McGinn picks his pieces, throws in what he thinks it means and twists reality to drum up drama and sell papers.

Just know when you read this stuff that it's not whe philosophy and approach of the GM. If you want to know that, you have to acctually listen to the conference yourself. People who get the news from JS are getting the distorted version spiced up with paper selling drama. Just remember you can get the real stuff for free at packers.com before you pony up and pay to have reality distorted by some writer with a big head and poor ethics.