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    I think the tidbit that he started the season after he was in a car accident and had surgery to have some of his intestines removed showed his iron man grit well before he started his proud record of consecutive starts in the NFL.

    Kiper also said Favre was not a scrambler. He must've missed something.

    Wednesday, February 20, 2008
    Kiper projected Favre to go 21st overall in '91 draft
    By Mel Kiper Jr.
    ESPN.com

    Editor's Note: Below is the excerpt on Brett Favre from Mel Kiper Jr.'s 1991 "Draft Report."

    I had Brett Favre as the 17th highest-rated player in the 1991 NFL draft. In my final first-round mock draft, I had Favre going 21st overall to the Kansas City Chiefs (Kansas City drafted LSU running back Harvey Williams). In fact, Favre was not the first QB taken in 1991 -- Dan McGwire went 16th overall to the Seattle Seahawks. Favre was a second-round pick, going 33rd overall to the Atlanta Falcons (I had both McGwire and Favre with the same grade, 9.2).

    Here's the write-up on Favre from my 1991 "Draft Report":

    After a nightmarish spring and summer, it appeared Brett Favre would have to consider sitting out the 1990 campaign. His run on bad luck began with elbow surgery to his throwing arm that sidelined him the entire spring practice session. While rehabilitating that injury, Brett was involved in a single-car accident on July 14 that resulted in a variety of injuries, including a gash on his knee, a concussion, as well as severe bumps and bruises to most of his body. After talking to Brett and his family at the Senior Bowl, he was fortunate just to survive the accident, let alone return to the gridiron this season. You see, the car he was driving was in the process of falling down a hill into a creek, before the car was stopped in its tracks by a tree. Had the car fallen into the creek, Brett would have more than likely drowned, since he was unconscious then. His brother, who was in a following car, pulled Brett out of the wreck, where he lay on the side of the road until an ambulance arrived to take him to a hospital.

    Brett Favre
    Brett Favre had a first-round grade coming out of Southern Miss, but he fell to the second round in the 1991 NFL draft.

    After leaving the hospital, he was still not feeling even close to 100 percent. As Brett explained, "It felt like a knife was jabbing me in the middle of my chest." He twice went to see a doctor, before being returned to the hospital for further evaluation. On Aug. 8, he underwent surgery to remove a 30-inch portion of the lower end of his smaller intestine. During the ordeal, he lost between 25 and 30 pounds, weighing in at only 193 pounds before the start of the football season in late August, early September.

    Remarkably, Brett was able to dress for the season opener against Delta State on Sept. 1, although he didn't return to action until the second game against Alabama. During the middle portion of the campaign, Brett began to regain his lost weight and strength, leading the Golden Eagles to victories over the likes of Louisville and Auburn. He closed out the campaign with a fine effort against NC State in the bowl game, throwing for well over 300 yards against one of the top secondaries in college football.

    He has a strong, powerful arm, throwing the 15- to 25-yard intermediate routes across the middle as well as any quarterback to come out in the last few years. The Southern Miss baseball coaches have practically begged him to play the last few years. In high school, his fastball was clocked in the 90 mph range. Delivery is outstanding -- he snaps the ball right off from his ear, cutting through the wind that is a factor to deal with in the late fall/winter months.

    One negative I saw during practice sessions was that he tends to hang his deeper passes, allowing CBs the time to react and get in a position to make a play on the ball. Although not a scrambler, he can sidestep the initial pass rusher, and learn to deliver the ball accurately rolling to his right.

    * This kid is a competitor, possesses above average physical skills, and did his damage against top competition during his four years as the starter. To a certain extent, he is still recovering from the painful injuries he sustained in the car accident and ensuing surgery. I really believe strongly that he has the natural ability and overall attitude to make the successful transition to the NFL. Would be ideal for a club looking to develop a starting quarterback of the future, thus allowing him the time necessary to settle in at the pro level.

    Combine Note -- Brett was the most impressive of the quarterbacks throwing the football, but didn't run for the clock, still a little banged up from the all-star game.

  • #2
    Perhaps not a scrambler in the classic sense, but he had enough footwork and "felt the rush"enough to move in the pocket or move to create an open passing lane. He wasn't a tuck it and run guy, unless the field opened up.
    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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    • #3
      Mel,

      Scramble Schmamble.

      It's called "pocket awareness" and the kid had that quality of the first order!

      I stopped listening to Kiper when he went off on the air. Kiper was telling all that would listen that Ryan Leaf would be a HOF QB and the Colts would be crazy to pick Peyton Manning over Leaf.

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      • #4
        Pretty good evaluation by Mel.

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        • #5
          Re: What Kiper wrote about Favre

          Originally posted by LL2
          I think the tidbit that he started the season after he was in a car accident and had surgery to have some of his intestines removed showed his iron man grit well before he started his proud record of consecutive starts in the NFL.

          Kiper also said Favre was not a scrambler. He must've missed something.

          Wednesday, February 20, 2008
          Kiper projected Favre to go 21st overall in '91 draft
          By Mel Kiper Jr.
          ESPN.com

          Editor's Note: Below is the excerpt on Brett Favre from Mel Kiper Jr.'s 1991 "Draft Report."

          I had Brett Favre as the 17th highest-rated player in the 1991 NFL draft. In my final first-round mock draft, I had Favre going 21st overall to the Kansas City Chiefs (Kansas City drafted LSU running back Harvey Williams). In fact, Favre was not the first QB taken in 1991 -- Dan McGwire went 16th overall to the Seattle Seahawks. Favre was a second-round pick, going 33rd overall to the Atlanta Falcons (I had both McGwire and Favre with the same grade, 9.2).
          There is also an error in it. I'm shocked and disappointed that Mel omitted a QB in the '91 draft.

          How could he forget the great, HOF QB Todd (2 D's) Marijuanavich, er Marinovich. Todd was picked in the first round (24th overall) by the LA Raiders. He tried to wrap an all-star QB career around drug busts.

          When you watch the draft in the spring, remember that in '91, Dan McGwire and Todd Marinovich were selected before Brett Favre.

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          • #6
            I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.
            70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 3irty1
              I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.
              Does that mean that in 15 years QBs will be like Culpepper size?
              All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 3irty1
                I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.
                When Favre came to Green Bay Frankie Winters had to ask him if he was a linebacker. Favre weighed over 240 pounds when he first came to Green Bay.

                He is by and away smaller now than he was when he was 21 years old drinking 20 some Shaffer Lights a night.

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                Anyways, I thought Kiper spoke very highly of Favre in his evaluation, he did miss on the scrambling part, but if he meant scrambler in the sense of a dual threat QB, then he was right, Favre wasn't a predetermined runner, but His pocket mobility and his ability to create with his feet might be second to none. Favre had wheels in the early days and could make first downs on third and 10 scrambles.

                I am sure Favre didn't do a lot of running during his senior year coming off the car accident. So if Kiper only had tape on him from his Senior Year I could understand that preception.

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                • #9
                  Re: What Kiper wrote about Favre

                  Originally posted by KYPack
                  Originally posted by LL2
                  I think the tidbit that he started the season after he was in a car accident and had surgery to have some of his intestines removed showed his iron man grit well before he started his proud record of consecutive starts in the NFL.

                  Kiper also said Favre was not a scrambler. He must've missed something.

                  Wednesday, February 20, 2008
                  Kiper projected Favre to go 21st overall in '91 draft
                  By Mel Kiper Jr.
                  ESPN.com

                  Editor's Note: Below is the excerpt on Brett Favre from Mel Kiper Jr.'s 1991 "Draft Report."

                  I had Brett Favre as the 17th highest-rated player in the 1991 NFL draft. In my final first-round mock draft, I had Favre going 21st overall to the Kansas City Chiefs (Kansas City drafted LSU running back Harvey Williams). In fact, Favre was not the first QB taken in 1991 -- Dan McGwire went 16th overall to the Seattle Seahawks. Favre was a second-round pick, going 33rd overall to the Atlanta Falcons (I had both McGwire and Favre with the same grade, 9.2).
                  There is also an error in it. I'm shocked and disappointed that Mel omitted a QB in the '91 draft.

                  How could he forget the great, HOF QB Todd (2 D's) Marijuanavich, er Marinovich. Todd was picked in the first round (24th overall) by the LA Raiders. He tried to wrap an all-star QB career around drug busts.

                  When you watch the draft in the spring, remember that in '91, Dan McGwire and Todd Marinovich were selected before Brett Favre.
                  Good catch about Marinovich, KY. He was indeed a phenonmenal bust.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What Kiper wrote about Favre

                    Originally posted by KYPack
                    Originally posted by LL2
                    I think the tidbit that he started the season after he was in a car accident and had surgery to have some of his intestines removed showed his iron man grit well before he started his proud record of consecutive starts in the NFL.

                    Kiper also said Favre was not a scrambler. He must've missed something.

                    Wednesday, February 20, 2008
                    Kiper projected Favre to go 21st overall in '91 draft
                    By Mel Kiper Jr.
                    ESPN.com

                    Editor's Note: Below is the excerpt on Brett Favre from Mel Kiper Jr.'s 1991 "Draft Report."

                    I had Brett Favre as the 17th highest-rated player in the 1991 NFL draft. In my final first-round mock draft, I had Favre going 21st overall to the Kansas City Chiefs (Kansas City drafted LSU running back Harvey Williams). In fact, Favre was not the first QB taken in 1991 -- Dan McGwire went 16th overall to the Seattle Seahawks. Favre was a second-round pick, going 33rd overall to the Atlanta Falcons (I had both McGwire and Favre with the same grade, 9.2).
                    There is also an error in it. I'm shocked and disappointed that Mel omitted a QB in the '91 draft.

                    How could he forget the great, HOF QB Todd (2 D's) Marijuanavich, er Marinovich. Todd was picked in the first round (24th overall) by the LA Raiders. He tried to wrap an all-star QB career around drug busts.

                    When you watch the draft in the spring, remember that in '91, Dan McGwire and Todd Marinovich were selected before Brett Favre.
                    Where is the the error. I don't see anything that says brett was the second QB taken?

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                    • #11
                      Yer right, Cracky.

                      I mis-read it. Thought he omitted Todd M, but his statement is correct the way he put it.

                      You ever run into Todd, he's on your "circuit"?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 3irty1
                        I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.
                        Favre is small for a quarterback. Prototypical is like 6'5" 250. A more appropriate word is standard.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KYPack
                          Yer right, Cracky.

                          I mis-read it. Thought he omitted Todd M, but his statement is correct the way he put it.

                          You ever run into Todd, he's on your "circuit"?
                          Of course, Todd and i immediately bonded over stories of our overbearing fathers.

                          My pops made Marv look like Phil Donahue.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Partial
                            Originally posted by 3irty1
                            I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.
                            Favre is small for a quarterback. Prototypical is like 6'5" 250. A more appropriate word is standard.
                            There is Partial again, sniffen glue. Prototypical for a tight end?

                            Sporting News's 2007 Draft Guide lists optimum NFL QBs at 6-3 225 pounds. Minimum Stanards lists at 6-0 195.

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                            • #15
                              did anyone else catch this little tid-bit
                              One negative I saw during practice sessions was that he tends to hang his deeper passes, allowing CBs the time to react and get in a position to make a play on the ball.
                              this is the classic favre "throw the ball up for grabs" pass that us packer fans have seen hundreds of time and sometimes have nightmares about

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