What Kiper wrote about Favre

[Tyrone Bigguns]

From profootball reference

Brett: 6'2" 225
Brady: 6'4" 225
McNabb: 6'2" 240
Warner: 6'2" 220
Brees: 6 209
Rivers: 6'5" 228
Leinart: 6'5" 225
Hassellbeck: 6'5" 223
Wrex: 6'1" 222
Tavaris: 6'2" 226
Palmer: 6'5" 230
Losman: 6'3" 220
Trent Green: 6'3" 217
vick: 6 215
etc,

Partial...accept that you are wrong.

[Partial]

I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.

Favre is small for a quarterback. Prototypical is like 6'5" 250. A more appropriate word is standard.

There is Partial again, sniffen glue. Prototypical for a tight end?

Sporting News's 2007 Draft Guide lists optimum NFL QBs at 6-3 225 pounds. Minimum Stanards lists at 6-0 195.

Prototypical means the best possible build. Why would you want someone shorter and less weight??

I'm at work so I can't look up the stats, but I believe Peyton is 6'5", Leinart is 6'5", Eli is 6'4", Palmer is 6'5", Culpeppers was great before he blew out a knee and was 6'6", I believe Vince Young is up there as well and he has had some success. Dave G down in Jax is a big dude and he has had success. Big Ben is huge, so is Derek Anderson from Cleveland. Hasselback is a tall guy as well.

I would say 6'2" is probably about average for NFL qbs. Average is not prototypical imo.

[Partial]

From profootball reference

Brett: 6'2" 225
Brady: 6'4" 225
McNabb: 6'2" 240 prototypical in weight
Warner: 6'2" 220
Brees: 6 209
Rivers: 6'5" 228
Leinart: 6'5" 225
Hassellbeck: 6'5" 223
Wrex: 6'1" 222
Tavaris: 6'2" 226
Palmer: 6'5" 230
Losman: 6'3" 220
Trent Green: 6'3" 217
vick: 6 215
etc,

Partial...accept that you are wrong.

Way to leave off half the data, and list crap players. I'll bold the good players. Note their heights and weight.

[Freak Out]

From profootball reference

Brett: 6'2" 225
Brady: 6'4" 225
McNabb: 6'2" 240 prototypical in weight
Warner: 6'2" 220
Brees: 6 209
Rivers: 6'5" 228
Leinart: 6'5" 225
Hassellbeck: 6'5" 223
Wrex: 6'1" 222
Tavaris: 6'2" 226
Palmer: 6'5" 230
Losman: 6'3" 220
Trent Green: 6'3" 217
vick: 6 215
etc,

Partial...accept that you are wrong.

Way to leave off half the data, and list crap players. I'll bold the good players. Note their heights and weight.

WTF Partial! Bold the good players? You missed one you traitor.

[chain_gang]

Every time I see/hear something that Kiper wrote about a draft prospect, I have a flashback to William Henderson flipping out on Kiper during the draft a couple years ago. When Kiper was questioning the pack's draft. The year they got Hawk, Jennings, Colledge, Spitz, and Jolly. That was classic. Wish I would've been recording it.


Anyways, back to the topic, Kiper was pretty close to spot on with his analysis.

[woodbuck27]

Pretty good evaluation by Mel.

I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.

[Scott Campbell]

Pretty good evaluation by Mel.

I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.

Shallow? By today's standards - yes. But for 1991? I don't think so. Not for a one man team covering an entire draft.

[woodbuck27]

Pretty good evaluation by Mel.

I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.

Shallow? By today's standards - yes. But for 1991? I don't think so. Not for a one man team covering an entire draft.

Point taken Scott.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.

Favre is small for a quarterback. Prototypical is like 6'5" 250. A more appropriate word is standard.

There is Partial again, sniffen glue. Prototypical for a tight end?

Sporting News's 2007 Draft Guide lists optimum NFL QBs at 6-3 225 pounds. Minimum Stanards lists at 6-0 195.

Prototypical means the best possible build. Why would you want someone shorter and less weight??

I'm at work so I can't look up the stats, but I believe Peyton is 6'5", Leinart is 6'5", Eli is 6'4", Palmer is 6'5", Culpeppers was great before he blew out a knee and was 6'6", I believe Vince Young is up there as well and he has had some success. Dave G down in Jax is a big dude and he has had success. Big Ben is huge, so is Derek Anderson from Cleveland. Hasselback is a tall guy as well.

I would say 6'2" is probably about average for NFL qbs. Average is not prototypical imo.

Convenient for you to leave out the 250. Not one of the QBs you mentioned is even close. LOL

You can't pick just one side of your equation and now claim you are right. If this was math..you failed half the problem.

BTW, garrard is 6'1". Culpepper was 6'4"..and the only QB to be over 250.

You are wrong, accept it.

[Lurker64]

Prototypical means the best possible build.

Umm... no it doesn't.

A prototype is (from the Oxford American Dictionary).

1)"A first or preliminary model of something from which other forms are developed or copied."

2)"A typical example of something"

3) "The archetypical example of a class of something."

4) "A building, vehicle, or other object that acts as a pattern for the final model"

5) "A basic network filter with specified cutoff frequencies, from which other networks may be derived to obtain sharper cutoffs, consistency of characteristic impedance with frequency, etc.

None of those things have anything to do with "the best" or "optimal". In fact, they all (excepting the last one) have much more to do with being a typical example of something, or an original that later becomes a standard. When the Raiders broadcast guy says that "Nnamdi Asomugha is a prototype" they mean that "6'3" 220 lb cornerbacks are not common, but Asomugha's success and promise will probably mean that more and more teams will try to get corners that big", they do not mean "Asomugha is the best possible cornerback." A prototype is either "a typical example" or "an innovation that will soon become a typical example because of its value compared to the old typical example."

I believe the word you're looking for is something like "optimal", "ideal", "nonpareil", or "paragon". Paragon is a good word.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Pretty good evaluation by Mel.

I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.

Shallow? By today's standards - yes. But for 1991? I don't think so. Not for a one man team covering an entire draft.

Point taken Scott.

Hell is freezin at this moment.

[woodbuck27]

Pretty good evaluation by Mel.

I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.

Shallow? By today's standards - yes. But for 1991? I don't think so. Not for a one man team covering an entire draft.

Point taken Scott.

Hell is freezin at this moment.

No! I'm going to a better Kung Fu move.

[Scott Campbell]

No! I'm going to a better Kung Fu move.

[woodbuck27]

No! I'm going to a better Kung Fu move.

Thats really funny but so is that really old fella.

That's what Kung Fu promises us all the powerrrr as we age.

Just look at the really old guy!! Scott. Bet you don't have that MAN's energy especially with all those wives. Is it seven (7). I used to think that was a LUCKY NUMBER. Scott. May I recommend that you exchange Viagra for Kung Fu as you can't be really sure of the long term effects of modern drugs Scott.

Just a thought Scott as i know fellas like you usually have it all worked out.

[Scott Campbell]

May I recommend that you exchange Viagra...........

Your just so darn irrisistable Scott.

Ok Woody, I'm not going to say this again.

INAPPROPRIATE.