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  • #16
    From profootball reference

    Brett: 6'2" 225
    Brady: 6'4" 225
    McNabb: 6'2" 240
    Warner: 6'2" 220
    Brees: 6 209
    Rivers: 6'5" 228
    Leinart: 6'5" 225
    Hassellbeck: 6'5" 223
    Wrex: 6'1" 222
    Tavaris: 6'2" 226
    Palmer: 6'5" 230
    Losman: 6'3" 220
    Trent Green: 6'3" 217
    vick: 6 215
    etc,

    Partial...accept that you are wrong.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
      Originally posted by Partial
      Originally posted by 3irty1
      I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.
      Favre is small for a quarterback. Prototypical is like 6'5" 250. A more appropriate word is standard.
      There is Partial again, sniffen glue. Prototypical for a tight end?

      Sporting News's 2007 Draft Guide lists optimum NFL QBs at 6-3 225 pounds. Minimum Stanards lists at 6-0 195.
      Prototypical means the best possible build. Why would you want someone shorter and less weight??

      I'm at work so I can't look up the stats, but I believe Peyton is 6'5", Leinart is 6'5", Eli is 6'4", Palmer is 6'5", Culpeppers was great before he blew out a knee and was 6'6", I believe Vince Young is up there as well and he has had some success. Dave G down in Jax is a big dude and he has had success. Big Ben is huge, so is Derek Anderson from Cleveland. Hasselback is a tall guy as well.

      I would say 6'2" is probably about average for NFL qbs. Average is not prototypical imo.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
        From profootball reference

        Brett: 6'2" 225
        Brady: 6'4" 225
        McNabb: 6'2" 240 prototypical in weight
        Warner: 6'2" 220
        Brees: 6 209
        Rivers: 6'5" 228
        Leinart: 6'5" 225
        Hassellbeck: 6'5" 223

        Wrex: 6'1" 222
        Tavaris: 6'2" 226
        Palmer: 6'5" 230
        Losman: 6'3" 220
        Trent Green: 6'3" 217
        vick: 6 215
        etc,

        Partial...accept that you are wrong.
        Way to leave off half the data, and list crap players. I'll bold the good players. Note their heights and weight.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Partial
          Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
          From profootball reference

          Brett: 6'2" 225
          Brady: 6'4" 225
          McNabb: 6'2" 240 prototypical in weight
          Warner: 6'2" 220
          Brees: 6 209
          Rivers: 6'5" 228
          Leinart: 6'5" 225
          Hassellbeck: 6'5" 223

          Wrex: 6'1" 222
          Tavaris: 6'2" 226
          Palmer: 6'5" 230
          Losman: 6'3" 220
          Trent Green: 6'3" 217
          vick: 6 215
          etc,

          Partial...accept that you are wrong.
          Way to leave off half the data, and list crap players. I'll bold the good players. Note their heights and weight.
          WTF Partial! Bold the good players? You missed one you traitor.
          C.H.U.D.

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          • #20
            Every time I see/hear something that Kiper wrote about a draft prospect, I have a flashback to William Henderson flipping out on Kiper during the draft a couple years ago. When Kiper was questioning the pack's draft. The year they got Hawk, Jennings, Colledge, Spitz, and Jolly. That was classic. Wish I would've been recording it.


            Anyways, back to the topic, Kiper was pretty close to spot on with his analysis.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Scott Campbell
              Pretty good evaluation by Mel.
              I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.
              ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
              ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
              ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
              ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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              • #22
                Originally posted by woodbuck27
                Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                Pretty good evaluation by Mel.
                I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.

                Shallow? By today's standards - yes. But for 1991? I don't think so. Not for a one man team covering an entire draft.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                  Originally posted by woodbuck27
                  Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                  Pretty good evaluation by Mel.
                  I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.

                  Shallow? By today's standards - yes. But for 1991? I don't think so. Not for a one man team covering an entire draft.
                  Point taken Scott.
                  ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                  ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                  ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                  ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Partial
                    Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
                    Originally posted by Partial
                    Originally posted by 3irty1
                    I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.
                    Favre is small for a quarterback. Prototypical is like 6'5" 250. A more appropriate word is standard.
                    There is Partial again, sniffen glue. Prototypical for a tight end?

                    Sporting News's 2007 Draft Guide lists optimum NFL QBs at 6-3 225 pounds. Minimum Stanards lists at 6-0 195.
                    Prototypical means the best possible build. Why would you want someone shorter and less weight??

                    I'm at work so I can't look up the stats, but I believe Peyton is 6'5", Leinart is 6'5", Eli is 6'4", Palmer is 6'5", Culpeppers was great before he blew out a knee and was 6'6", I believe Vince Young is up there as well and he has had some success. Dave G down in Jax is a big dude and he has had success. Big Ben is huge, so is Derek Anderson from Cleveland. Hasselback is a tall guy as well.

                    I would say 6'2" is probably about average for NFL qbs. Average is not prototypical imo.
                    Convenient for you to leave out the 250. Not one of the QBs you mentioned is even close. LOL

                    You can't pick just one side of your equation and now claim you are right. If this was math..you failed half the problem.

                    BTW, garrard is 6'1". Culpepper was 6'4"..and the only QB to be over 250.

                    You are wrong, accept it.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Partial
                      Prototypical means the best possible build.
                      Umm... no it doesn't.

                      A prototype is (from the Oxford American Dictionary).

                      1)"A first or preliminary model of something from which other forms are developed or copied."

                      2)"A typical example of something"

                      3) "The archetypical example of a class of something."

                      4) "A building, vehicle, or other object that acts as a pattern for the final model"

                      5) "A basic network filter with specified cutoff frequencies, from which other networks may be derived to obtain sharper cutoffs, consistency of characteristic impedance with frequency, etc.

                      None of those things have anything to do with "the best" or "optimal". In fact, they all (excepting the last one) have much more to do with being a typical example of something, or an original that later becomes a standard. When the Raiders broadcast guy says that "Nnamdi Asomugha is a prototype" they mean that "6'3" 220 lb cornerbacks are not common, but Asomugha's success and promise will probably mean that more and more teams will try to get corners that big", they do not mean "Asomugha is the best possible cornerback." A prototype is either "a typical example" or "an innovation that will soon become a typical example because of its value compared to the old typical example."

                      I believe the word you're looking for is something like "optimal", "ideal", "nonpareil", or "paragon". Paragon is a good word.
                      </delurk>

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by woodbuck27
                        Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                        Originally posted by woodbuck27
                        Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                        Pretty good evaluation by Mel.
                        I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.

                        Shallow? By today's standards - yes. But for 1991? I don't think so. Not for a one man team covering an entire draft.
                        Point taken Scott.
                        Hell is freezin at this moment.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                          Originally posted by woodbuck27
                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                          Originally posted by woodbuck27
                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                          Pretty good evaluation by Mel.
                          I agree with you. Except it's a wee bit on the shallow side.

                          Shallow? By today's standards - yes. But for 1991? I don't think so. Not for a one man team covering an entire draft.
                          Point taken Scott.
                          Hell is freezin at this moment.
                          No! I'm going to a better Kung Fu move.
                          ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                          ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                          ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                          ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by woodbuck27

                            No! I'm going to a better Kung Fu move.


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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                              Originally posted by woodbuck27

                              No! I'm going to a better Kung Fu move.


                              Thats really funny but so is that really old fella.

                              That's what Kung Fu promises us all the powerrrr as we age.

                              Just look at the really old guy!! Scott. Bet you don't have that MAN's energy especially with all those wives. Is it seven (7). I used to think that was a LUCKY NUMBER. Scott. May I recommend that you exchange Viagra for Kung Fu as you can't be really sure of the long term effects of modern drugs Scott.

                              Just a thought Scott as i know fellas like you usually have it all worked out.
                              ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                              ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                              ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                              ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by woodbuck27
                                May I recommend that you exchange Viagra...........
                                Originally posted by woodbuck27
                                Your just so darn irrisistable Scott.

                                Ok Woody, I'm not going to say this again.

                                INAPPROPRIATE.

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