Thompson Named Executive of the Year

[Kiwon]

What a difference a year makes! TT's gettin' love from all sides now.

A year ago some Packer backers were getting the pitchforks and rope ready to barbecue him ala Frankenstein-style. Now he's The Architect.

[The Leaper]

Bottom line - the Packers offensive system is completely and utterly incapable of winning a championship w/o an all-pro calibur QB. Favre played at that level last year and they still didn't make it.

Yawn.

The system was crafted uniquely to a first ballot HOF QB because that is exactly who had been taking snaps for 15 years, Wist.

I expect the offense is going to look quite a bit different in 2008. Rodgers is a more mobile QB. That will allow McCarthy to really attack those Cover 2 defenses that were built exclusively to combat an elite pocket passer like Favre who rarely pulls down the ball and scrambles. Opposing LBs will have far more to think about in 2008.

[Patler]

MM has always said he favors a more traditional west coast offense. For years and years the argument was that the west coast offense didn't require an elite QB, instead, it MADE average QBs look elite with very short range, safe passes resulting in high QB ratings.

What will be interesting is to see if Rodgers is given the same degree of flexibility to determine the play at the line of scrimmage as Favre was given the last two seasons. I suspect not, at least initially.

[Packnut]

Re: Thompson

Thompson is not the genious some make him out to be, nor is he responsible for all the evils of the world that others would like us to believe. He has clearly made more good choices than bad ones.

Ok, this sounds a little bit like revisionist history to me. You and Merlin were duking it out last summer for the number 1 spot in the I HATE TED fanclub.

Wrong again, but what new? If one critical statement is made against Thompson, then the Teddy crowd labels that person as a Thompson basher. It does'nt matter if that same person also credits him for the good moves he's made.

Let's see now, I ripped Thompson for not doing more to surround Favre with more talent because I stated we were "closer to the SB than most thought". The Teddy crowd slammed me saying we were not that close and why waste money when it would'nt help? Now those SAME people who stated that want us to believe Thompson was soley responsible for last season.

I also was slammed by the Teddy crowd for saying the REASON we were closer to the SB was because we had #04. How'd that one turn out?

I condemed the Harrell pick not on Harrell's talent or potential, but because we had a greater need. There were a few of us who stated that Nelson would be a great pick. Well, he had a very good rookie season, while we have guys who could'nt cover a TE if his leg was broken. We still have a need at saftey. Rouse is raw and Bigby can hit but he can't cover. We'll see how this one works out.

I could go on and on and cite more examples but what's the point? The Thompson crowd here believes what they wanna believe and God forbid anyone disagrees with them...........

[Joemailman]

Bottom line - the Packers offensive system is completely and utterly incapable of winning a championship w/o an all-pro calibur QB. Favre played at that level last year and they still didn't make it...

The Packer offense is predicated on a heavy dose of short passes with (hopefully) a heavy mix of run plays. I don't see why you think it is more difficult than other NFL offenses. It would seem simpler for a QB then say the Colt's offense, which has a heavy dose of down-the-field precision and timing routes. Relatively speaking, I would say that the Packer's current offense is QB friendly. Maybe you think that because their offense sometimes ends up having a lot of pass attempts during the game that QB must be an all-pro? That would be a pretty simplistic analysis.

Maybe Rodgers will fail miserably, but I don't think it will be because he needs to be an all-pro caliber QB to not fail.

Wist, you must understand, is our resident pessimist. In The World According To Wist, every Packers win of recent vintage has been due almost exclusively to the brilliance of Favre. Now that Favre is gone, all is lost. At least Wist is consistent though. Have to give him that.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Thompson

......I stated we were "closer to the SB than most thought".

I stand by my revisionist history statement. I doubt there was anyone here more wrong about last season than you were. I remember you calling the James Jones selection Ted's "I'm smarter than you pick". Well this prestigious award is the NFL's way of handing Ted the "He Is Smarter Than Packnut" trophy.

Don't make me go digging through old threads to expose all your foolishness. I think we both know what I'd find.

[Scott Campbell]

Wist, you must understand, is our resident pessimist. In The World According To Wist, every Packers win of recent vintage has been due almost exclusively to the brilliance of Favre. Now that Favre is gone, all is lost. At least Wist is consistent though. Have to give him that.

Yup. Wist is the guy that thinks the Globtrotters have holes everywhere, and no chance whatsoever to beat the Washington Generals.

But he's a great poster.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Thompson

Thompson is not the genious some make him out to be, nor is he responsible for all the evils of the world that others would like us to believe. He has clearly made more good choices than bad ones.

Ok, this sounds a little bit like revisionist history to me. You and Merlin were duking it out last summer for the number 1 spot in the I HATE TED fanclub.

Wrong again, but what new? If one critical statement is made against Thompson, then the Teddy crowd labels that person as a Thompson basher. It does'nt matter if that same person also credits him for the good moves he's made.

Let's see now, I ripped Thompson for not doing more to surround Favre with more talent because I stated we were "closer to the SB than most thought". The Teddy crowd slammed me saying we were not that close and why waste money when it would'nt help? Now those SAME people who stated that want us to believe Thompson was soley responsible for last season.

I also was slammed by the Teddy crowd for saying the REASON we were closer to the SB was because we had #04. How'd that one turn out?

I condemed the Harrell pick not on Harrell's talent or potential, but because we had a greater need. There were a few of us who stated that Nelson would be a great pick. Well, he had a very good rookie season, while we have guys who could'nt cover a TE if his leg was broken. We still have a need at saftey. Rouse is raw and Bigby can hit but he can't cover. We'll see how this one works out.

I could go on and on and cite more examples but what's the point? The Thompson crowd here believes what they wanna believe and God forbid anyone disagrees with them...........

You could write a book on how wrong SOME people have been........

Chapter 1?

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=8163&highlight=packnut

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/vi...ghlight=#72353
I hope those few TT backers out there see the light. This guy is brutal from his coaching choice to player evaluating. There is not 1 damn thing that TT is good at as a GM.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=71952&highlight=#71952

Well after watching parts of all today's games, we can honestly start debating who our #1 pick should be next season… I've watched the other teams who are in the running for the #1 pick. Buffalo, NYJ and even the Niners are way ahead of us talent and coaching wise. …There really is'nt gonna be anything else to discuss Packer wise this season so why not try something positive? Now things can change but IF Green stays healthy and shows he can be our #1 back next season, then we gotta go with Mr Irish. Brady has the potential to be the next Brett Favre. Now if Green can't handle it then we gotta go RB and there will be a bunch to choose from. Ok, let the great debate begin!

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=74942&highlight=#74942

Where will the Pack pick [in the 2007 draft]?
Packnut: Top 3.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=73719&highlight=#73719

It's gonna take some time and it will be very painfull, but after we are embarrassed week in and week out and as the losses pile up, most of the "optimists" will realize that TT has set this team back more than Sherman ever did.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=73480&highlight=#73480

Woodson has to GO. NOW! SEND A MESSAGE
Packnut: Good post and very accurate.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=73309&highlight=#73309

The fact that any of you would defend this guy after yesterday is mind-boggling to say the least. It's one thing to get beat by Heap or Shockey but when you get beat by the worst TE in the game, you have more problems than just technique.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=75773&highlight=#75773

No my arguement is that he is not TALENTED enough to build a winning team and I believe the FACTS to date prove it.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=75761&highlight=#75761

Your faith in the drafting talents of TT amaze me. He has done NOTHING to even give a glimmer of hope. If you think stock-piling high draft choices is the answer, then you don't have a clue. Several teams have gone that route with no success. A GM need's to be able to bring in the right FA's and mix them in with the youth and I'd say there has been enough evidence to point out that TT is lacking in player evaluation skills.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=78661&highlight=#78661

This season will continue to suck and going 3-13 should'nt be a shock to anyone.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=87783&highlight=#87783

Cleaning house and going young has been tried before and it does'nt work. You need the right mix of vets and we have a GM that sucks at player evaluation. Yep, Woodson sure is worth all that cash. Yet, some will say TT is going in the right direction. There are several of the younger fans in this forum who have no concept of the 70's and 80's and sadly they are going to find out. They will understand how one bad choice has a snowball effect. I just don't see this "future hope" that they have. This team has so many holes, that it's just pathetic......

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=87311&highlight=#87311

Well may-be by the end of the season, many of you TT supporters will open your eyes and see that this guy has DESTROYED this franchise. He makes Dan Devine look smart. Let's see now, how many mistakes has he made with player moves? Every week it's the same line from MM- "we gotts get it fixed". He does'nt have a clue. Sherman was a much better coach than this clown will ever be and I never thought I'd say that. TT states he hired MM because of the man and not the x's and o's. Gee, does'nt that tell you something about him? Well at least he's honest cause MM does'nt know shit about x's and o's on either side of the ball.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=88594&highlight=#88594

This team is so far away from being competitive that it's pathetic.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=93449&highlight=#93449

I would love to buy the we're improving BS but the facts say that so far, TT has not improved us in even 1 area. … What happens IF we end up with a worse record than last season? Are you still gonna tell us we're improving under TT?????????????????????????

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=92923&highlight=#92923

The cap excuse has been worn to death by the TT supporters when in reality there were ways. TT is a freaking moron.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=97560&highlight=#97560

Pope is a HUGE upgrade over Herron. Good move by TT even if I was the first here to suggest it back in pre-season. Better late than never!

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=96912&highlight=#96912

The sad part is that we are so far away from even having a competitive D that it's depressing. Where is this improvment on D gonna come from? A lot of questions with few answers...........

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?p=101950&highlight=#101950

I think it all depends on what Thompson does. If he puts this team out on the field , then we'll be lucky to win 5 games.

[Lurker64]

Bottom line - the Packers offensive system is completely and utterly incapable of winning a championship w/o an all-pro calibur QB.

The neat thing about all strategies, including offensive systems in football, is that you can change them to make them work better or in response to them not working well. Considering that McCarthy's pedigree was based both on his career as an offensive coordinator as well as his ability to improve QB performance, I'm not worried that we're permanently tied to an offensive system crafted for the last guy.

Remember, as OC for the Saints in the early 90s he managed to get 432 points out of an offense lead by, of all people, Aaron Brooks in 2002. If he can get 432 points out of an Aaron Brooks offense, we'll do okay with Rodgers (provided he stays healthy.)

Our offensive personnel (other than on the OL) aren't really tied to any particular offensive system, so I don't really understand how our system is so immutable as to doom us.

[Green Bud Packer]

Re: Thompson

He put #4 in position to win a Super Bowl.

What more can you ask of the man?

[Partial]

Re: Thompson

Thompson is not the genious some make him out to be, nor is he responsible for all the evils of the world that others would like us to believe. He has clearly made more good choices than bad ones.

Ok, this sounds a little bit like revisionist history to me. You and Merlin were duking it out last summer for the number 1 spot in the I HATE TED fanclub.

Wrong again, but what new? If one critical statement is made against Thompson, then the Teddy crowd labels that person as a Thompson basher. It does'nt matter if that same person also credits him for the good moves he's made.

Let's see now, I ripped Thompson for not doing more to surround Favre with more talent because I stated we were "closer to the SB than most thought". The Teddy crowd slammed me saying we were not that close and why waste money when it would'nt help? Now those SAME people who stated that want us to believe Thompson was soley responsible for last season.

I also was slammed by the Teddy crowd for saying the REASON we were closer to the SB was because we had #04. How'd that one turn out?

I condemed the Harrell pick not on Harrell's talent or potential, but because we had a greater need. There were a few of us who stated that Nelson would be a great pick. Well, he had a very good rookie season, while we have guys who could'nt cover a TE if his leg was broken. We still have a need at saftey. Rouse is raw and Bigby can hit but he can't cover. We'll see how this one works out.

I could go on and on and cite more examples but what's the point? The Thompson crowd here believes what they wanna believe and God forbid anyone disagrees with them...........

You are crrazy and so incredibly full of shit. My goodness. You switched to the "TT didn't surround him with enough talent" half-way through the season before you went away. All off season you were whining about how bad this team would be.

[KYPack]

Bottom line - the Packers offensive system is completely and utterly incapable of winning a championship w/o an all-pro calibur QB.

The neat thing about all strategies, including offensive systems in football, is that you can change them to make them work better or in response to them not working well. Considering that McCarthy's pedigree was based both on his career as an offensive coordinator as well as his ability to improve QB performance, I'm not worried that we're permanently tied to an offensive system crafted for the last guy.

Remember, as OC for the Saints in the early 90s he managed to get 432 points out of an offense lead by, of all people, Aaron Brooks in 2002. If he can get 432 points out of an Aaron Brooks offense, we'll do okay with Rodgers (provided he stays healthy.)

Our offensive personnel (other than on the OL) aren't really tied to any particular offensive system, so I don't really understand how our system is so immutable as to doom us.

Great point.

M3's development of Aaron Brooks is a tremendous mark in his favor as a QB guru.

When they were cooking together, Brooks was clicking. After that, he's a nobody. I think he is the perfect guy to get ARod going. What if MM's offense is better suited to Rodgers? We could be a bigger thing than anybody thinks right now.