Allen to Vikings... "is close to being in place"

[woodbuck27]

This is a a time I am glad I am not rooting for a team in the same division as the Chiefs.
This deal just gave them too much room and options in the draft.

Yup. Smart move for KC.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sounds like Viking fans are pretty positive about this move. I don't know. This deal could put their franchise back if it doesn't work out, and I'm not sure they are ready to win now. Not with the QB they have. Who knows though. Maybe he'll surprise people. I think many Vikes fans would have been okay with a rebuilding process done right--as long as they saw progress.

[Guiness]

BOMNF at 'glug-glug, vroom, vroom'!

[Lurker64]

This is a a time I am glad I am not rooting for a team in the same division as the Chiefs.
This deal just gave them too much room and options in the draft.

I think Kansas City has 13 picks at this point, and there's talk that they might trade down at #5 depending on that happens at 2, 3, and 4. That's pretty darn ridiculous, I have to say. 13 total picks including six in the first three rounds has the potential to generate an amazing turnaround for a franchise if they're used well.

You have to like this if you're a Chiefs fan.

[Rastak]

Sounds like Viking fans are pretty positive about this move. I don't know. This deal could put their franchise back if it doesn't work out, and I'm not sure they are ready to win now. Not with the QB they have. Who knows though. Maybe he'll surprise people. I think many Vikes fans would have been okay with a rebuilding process done right--as long as they saw progress.

Harv, my 2 cents. Big risk, but worth it. They got significatntly better on the DL, got a guy that's 26 years old. The three picks are expensive for sure but hardly franchise crippling. The second 3rd is something Denver practically gave them last year. Those future picks are really undervalued by NFL teams if you ask me. I was pretty surprised Denver threw in a 2008 3rd. 17th pick in the first is valuable, but blue chippers are usually gone so you still have some uncertainty as to how they'll work.

I look at it this way, going into this year they had some holes to fill. They needed a WR, S, DE, QB and maybe an OT. They signed Berrian at WR, Williams at Safety and used a 1 and two 3's to fill DE (a typcally hard one to fill). They still have their #2 for OT or anoither CB or WR. Ferrotte doesn't thrill me as a backup QB but they've addressed most of what needed addressing.

Not sure how the contract is structured but they have significant money available to them right now for sure.

[Rastak]

What do Carl Eller and Jared Allen have in common?

Okay, what else do they have in common? As of Wednesday, both will have been members of the Minnesota Vikings.

Florio may be an obnoxious prick, but he can be damned funny sometimes.

He is pretty funny.

[Fritz]

Ras, you're smart and you're probably a handsome dude with a great job, but I still wouldn't want to be you. This is exactly the kind of high-risk move that tends to backfire on teams. It's hard for me to fathom how you can think giving up - what is it, a first and two thirds? - is not going to set that franchise back.

Allen is a risk, not just the drinking thing, but the injury possibility - you've given up three young players who would have been drafted early for one guy. He gets suspended or hurt, and you're screwed.

I also think the big contract will provide Allen with the cushion to relax a bit.

This is exactly the kind of move that goes against my nature. Risking your future for an iffy payoff now is bad managing, in my opinion. As a Packer fan, it bodes well. But again, just my opinion.

[red]

great move for KC, they might be able to get chris long now at #5.

IMO, bad move for the queens. they don't have the team to make this kind of move with the hopes that it puts them over the top. they have too many needs to be trading away a large chunk of their draft for one guy

plus, how can you give a guy that kind of money when he's one drink away from being suspended for a year?

[Scott Campbell]

I think its a good move for the Vikings. They've got a special talent in AP, but he won't be the cornerstone of franchise for 15 years. He's a RB, and their window of opportunity is relatively small. I think the situation dictated the bold move.

It better work out for them, because they placed a pretty big bet on him.

[Packnut]

Vikes

Well, add this to the list of just plain dumb moves the Vikes have made. Ain't no player on this earth worth that much guarenteed cash. The injury factor alone should be enough to scare any team away from doing such a deal.

A quick rythem offense prevents any DE from being a major factor in a game. Ask Kampman about it. LOL! (Giants game)

It's pretty much a proven fact that in the NFL, winning depends a great deal on your QB. The Vikes have nothing in that dept and we all know it. Sure AP will carry them and they should make the play-offs as a wild card. But to win in Jan, you have to be able to throw the ball.

[run pMc]

Well, this improves the Vikings D: Allen is an upgrade over James or Udeze. Their D-Line will be a terror, and that will help their secondary. As for the offense, it doesn't do much. Giving up 3 picks is a pretty steep price. I think Allen will stay dry/sober (at least thru camp).

I don't know how close the Vikes are to being a Super Bowl contender, and in 3 years this might look really bad when their DLine gets old and if they are still looking for a QB. I think it's a risky move...time will tell.

they needed a pass rusher, and weren't going to get Harvey at 17. I wonder if they thought Groves would be gone too?

[Rastak]

Re: Vikes

Well, add this to the list of just plain dumb moves the Vikes have made. Ain't no player on this earth worth that much guarenteed cash. The injury factor alone should be enough to scare any team away from doing such a deal.

A quick rythem offense prevents any DE from being a major factor in a game. Ask Kampman about it. LOL! (Giants game)

It's pretty much a proven fact that in the NFL, winning depends a great deal on your QB. The Vikes have nothing in that dept and we all know it. Sure AP will carry them and they should make the play-offs as a wild card. But to win in Jan, you have to be able to throw the ball.

Guess again. Freeney set the bar, it only goes up and not down. How many times is it said, that contract is too much and then it's the norm.

Hutchinson's contract looked funny, but it's the standard going rate now.

Look at the coin Samuel got with Philly. It's the going rate.


As to the risk, yes it is risky given his past. But it's hardly mortgaing your future. Picking 17th they'd have traded what to get into the top 10 to get a top flight unproven DE? That's right, 1 and 2 3s. That was a glaring need and it's been addressed big time. The money is high but they have a large amount of cap room available right now. The risk is in the guys past, not the pciks or the money as much. They still have a first day pick this weekend and 5 second day picks, and they traded zero picks next year.

Just my take but I like the move. If he pulls a Koren Robinson I guess I'll start singing a new tune....LOL.

[Scott Campbell]

What do Carl Eller and Jared Allen have in common?

Okay, what else do they have in common? As of Wednesday, both will have been members of the Minnesota Vikings.

Florio may be an obnoxious prick, but he can be damned funny sometimes.

He is pretty funny.

I liked his earlier "almost a Lawrence Welk" trade reference - a one, and a two, and a three.

[Chester Marcol]

It will take time but this will help support either the fans of TT's approach of building through the draft or those who are screaming for TT to make such a move. I just don't think you give up that much in ways of quality draft picks and expect that you won't feel it in a couple years.

As far as what it would have costs to move up to get one of the top rated DE's, that would have been equally as silly of a move. We picked 16th last year and I don't think you trade Harrell, Jones, and Rouse for one player.

[Packnut]

Re: Vikes

Well, add this to the list of just plain dumb moves the Vikes have made. Ain't no player on this earth worth that much guarenteed cash. The injury factor alone should be enough to scare any team away from doing such a deal.

A quick rythem offense prevents any DE from being a major factor in a game. Ask Kampman about it. LOL! (Giants game)

It's pretty much a proven fact that in the NFL, winning depends a great deal on your QB. The Vikes have nothing in that dept and we all know it. Sure AP will carry them and they should make the play-offs as a wild card. But to win in Jan, you have to be able to throw the ball.

Guess again. Freeney set the bar, it only goes up and not down. How many times is it said, that contract is too much and then it's the norm.

Hutchinson's contract looked funny, but it's the standard going rate now.

Look at the coin Samuel got with Philly. It's the going rate.


As to the risk, yes it is risky given his past. But it's hardly mortgaing your future. Picking 17th they'd have traded what to get into the top 10 to get a top flight unproven DE? That's right, 1 and 2 3s. That was a glaring need and it's been addressed big time. The money is high but they have a large amount of cap room available right now. The risk is in the guys past, not the pciks or the money as much. They still have a first day pick this weekend and 5 second day picks, and they traded zero picks next year.

Just my take but I like the move. If he pulls a Koren Robinson I guess I'll start singing a new tune....LOL.

31 million in guarenteed cash???????????????????

That's just freakin ridiculous. Like I said, the injury factor in the NFL is just to severe to warrant giving up that much money.

As far as the draft picks go, I don't value them as much as others when your trading them for a proven player. The draft is a risky proposition at best. Just from a trade value aspect, I believe both teams got equal value at this point.

My problem is what happens if God forbid, he blows a knee out or has some other severe injury? It happens all the time. That is just to much guarenteed cash to risk.