Allen to Vikings... "is close to being in place"

[b bulldog]

Potentially a great D along with AP makes them my favorite in the North. We still have no passrush other than Kampy.

[Bretsky]

Potentially a great D along with AP makes them my favorite in the North. We still have no passrush other than Kampy.

We have KGB

After that we probably traded our next best rusher to Cleveland

Maybe Harrell will step up

[Lurker64]

Potentially a great D along with AP makes them my favorite in the North. We still have no passrush other than Kampy.

The Vikes have no pass rush other than Allen, though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Potentially a great D along with AP makes them my favorite in the North. We still have no passrush other than Kampy.

The Vikes have no pass rush other than Allen, though.

Not according the closet Vikings fan. He probably thinks the Williams Sisters are a great pass rush tandem.

[Patler]

btw, the Packers had NO problem in pass blocking with Jared Allen this year when they played KC.

He's a very ordinary player, in my opinion.

the cowboys didn't have any problems pass blocking Kampman either. Do you think he's an ordinary player?

Kampman had no sacks but 3 QB hits in 30 passing plays by the Cowboys.
Allen had one-half sack and 0 QB hits in 35 passing plays by the Packers.

I think Cowboys had more trouble with Kampman than the Packers did with Allen.

[Iron Mike]

Two other things. I think his career high was 11 sacks before his contract year last year and Chad Clifton did a great job against him. He allowed 1 pressure and got minimal help--according to Bob McGinn.

Here's the KC Chiefs 2007 schedule:

09/09/07 at Houston Texans 12:00 PM CBS
09/16/07 at Chicago Bears 3:15 PM CBS
09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings 12:00 PM FOX
09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers 3:15 PM CBS
10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars 12:00 PM CBS
10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals 12:00 PM CBS
10/21/07 at Oakland Raiders 3:05 PM CBS
10/28/07 Bye week
11/04/07 Green Bay Packers 12:00 PM FOX
11/11/07 Denver Broncos 12:00 PM CBS
11/18/07 at Indianapolis Colts 12:00 PM CBS
11/25/07 Oakland Raiders 12:00 PM CBS
12/02/07 San Diego Chargers 12:00 PM CBS
12/09/07 at Denver Broncos 3:15 PM CBS
12/16/07 Tennessee Titans 12:00 PM CBS
12/23/07 at Detroit Lions 12:00 PM CBS
12/30/07 at New York Jets 7:15 PM NBC

IMHO, there weren't a whole lot of stellar OL that he went up against to amass all of those sacks.

[Rastak]

btw, the Packers had NO problem in pass blocking with Jared Allen this year when they played KC.

He's a very ordinary player, in my opinion.

the cowboys didn't have any problems pass blocking Kampman either. Do you think he's an ordinary player?

Kampman had no sacks but 3 QB hits in 30 passing plays by the Cowboys.
Allen had one-half sack and 0 QB hits in 35 passing plays by the Packers.

I think Cowboys had more trouble with Kampman than the Packers did with Allen.

The dude certainly isn't Laurence Taylor but you might want to look at a larger sample of games.....

Allen (26 yo)
61 out of 64 possible games in 4 years with 43 sacks and 13 forced fumbles. He's pretty durable.


Kampman (28 yo)
(Who I also like) 87 games - 41 sacks over 6 years.

[Patler]

btw, the Packers had NO problem in pass blocking with Jared Allen this year when they played KC.

He's a very ordinary player, in my opinion.

the cowboys didn't have any problems pass blocking Kampman either. Do you think he's an ordinary player?

Kampman had no sacks but 3 QB hits in 30 passing plays by the Cowboys.
Allen had one-half sack and 0 QB hits in 35 passing plays by the Packers.

I think Cowboys had more trouble with Kampman than the Packers did with Allen.

The dude certainly isn't Laurence Taylor but you might want to look at a larger sample of games.....

Allen (26 yo)
61 out of 64 possible games in 4 years with 43 sacks and 13 forced fumbles. He's pretty durable.


Kampman (28 yo)
(Who I also like) 87 games - 41 sacks over 6 years.

I was simply responding to another person's post that drew a comparison based on those two games that were specifically identified. I thought the comparison of those two games was inaccurate, so I commented on those two games. I did not form any conclusion as to the players performances over their careers based on any number of games.

Personally, I think Allen is a more gifted pass rusher than Kampman, but sort of in the KGB mold, he gets a sack or nothing, and will get bunches of sacks against less talented lineman, but will be neutralized by the good linemen. Kampman may not get quite as many sacks, but consistently gets better pressure, even when he doesn't get sacks.

Just my opinion based on very little direct observation of Allen. However, I HATE that he will be a Viking! On their line he could become an absolute terror.

[red]

lets not forget that this team has picked up talent before and looks looked like they were getting better, but then those players playeddown to the vicking level, and they still were crap

he says he's looking forward to lots of championships in that uni. like what?

most beers drank by a team, nfl champs, 2009
most "hoes" slaped around, nfc champs 2010
largest orgy on watercraft, world champs 2008

[Chester Marcol]

As long as the Kampman comparisons are coming up, how about Allen's ability against the run? Is he more like Kampman or KGB in that regards? Teams already know that they most likely won't get much from running up the middle. How does this affect the edge of the DL against the run?

[Rastak]

As long as the Kampman comparisons are coming up, how about Allen's ability against the run? Is he more like Kampman or KGB in that regards? Teams already know that they most likely won't get much from running up the middle. How does this affect the edge of the DL against the run?

From what I've read he isn't a liability so you can play him every down but I would guess not as good as Kampman against the run. I read he had improved but wasn't exactly a run stopper.

[Zool]

I think the problem is that they gave up 3 picks plus a big contract to a risk guy. If it works out genius. If not, its only going to help us. No one ever accused the Viking front office of not taking chances.

Demetrius Underwood anyone?

[Rastak]

I think the problem is that they gave up 3 picks plus a big contract to a risk guy. If it works out genius. If not, its only going to help us. No one ever accused the Viking front office of not taking chances.

Demetrius Underwood anyone?

Come on Zool. That wasn't a taking a chance, that was someone not doing their homework. The dude was flat out nuts. Denny Green had all the power in the front office and he did no research.

You guys are kinda reaching for analogies here. I don't see too many valid comparisons on these two events. Drafting Pac man Jones was a similar excercise in stupidity only at the top of the first round in stead of the bottom like with Underwood.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Obviously, he's a good player. He's not Reggie White or even Michael Strahan in his prime, but he's comparable to Kampman. He's probably a little better pass rusher and likely a little worse run defender. There's huge risk though. The draft picks, the possible suspension, the contract. He's going to count close to $12M-15M against the cap every year after the first year. If you get a year or two when the cap doesn't go up, it could put the Vikings in a bind. Just because the cap has gone up a lot the last couple of years, doesn't mean it's something that should be ignored. If nothing else, his contract will keep them from signing other FAs.

[Rastak]

Obviously, he's a good player. He's not Reggie White or even Michael Strahan in his prime, but he's comparable to Kampman. He's probably a little better pass rusher and likely a little worse run defender. There's huge risk though. The draft picks, the possible suspension, the contract. He's going to count close to $12M-15M against the cap every year after the first year. If you get a year or two when the cap doesn't go up, it could put the Vikings in a bind. Just because the cap has gone up a lot the last couple of years, doesn't mean it's something that should be ignored. If nothing else, his contract will keep them from signing other FAs.

I'm pretty sure we've all established it is a risk. Knowing the football gods it will backfire, but it is a calculated risk. I am in support of it. Their other options sucked. Miami wants too much for Taylor and the rest of the group is either unproven rookies or also rans. This was a huge area of need. We'll see how it turns out.